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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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- Hanoi, Vietnam
Sigh... It's those swapping avatar time again?
I'm still catching up, guys. Make me almost spit take when scrolling down and suddenly realize that Muramasa said something so ooc xD
I'm still catching up, guys. Make me almost spit take when scrolling down and suddenly realize that Muramasa said something so ooc xD
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
Hm, putting aside the possibility that this just comes as an outgrowth of "All Witches and grief entities seem to inherently know and manifest Witch Runes and also Witch Quest did it"...
...According to Inucurry, Witches would never share their name if they were sane enough to do so. Even Nagisa refuses to call herself 'Charlotte' and lets Mami name her 'Bebe'... because a Witch's True Name gives you power over them.
Going off my old theory that a Witch name is just your 'magical' name, is invoking the name in some way necessary for De-witching?
...Fuck, you guys, have we ever tried calling a Witch their name to their face?
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
We've referred to Grief Seeds by name, which never seemed to cause any kind of reaction. That said, I don't think we've ever tried doing so with an "active" witch.
I have to admit, being able to pull a Sasa and control witches would be extremely in line with our Wish...
One thing that might be interesting is trying to forcibly seize control of a Barrier. We know that Hildegarde's Barrier reached an "inert" state when we forcibly separated her from it, so what would happen if we just... plugged ourselves in?
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- Location
- USA
-Khhzcht-
"May I have your attention, please.
May I have your attention, please.
Will the real Walpurgis please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Walpurgis please stand up?"
-Sabrina, holding a megaphone, turns to Homura-
"We're gonna have a problem here."
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Intriguing, but I'm a bit wary. We'd need to keep a Clear Seed duct taped to our Soul Gem, so as to prevent another chicken incident. Also, our last barrier drew the attention of Feathers...
Now, by taking over an existing barrier instead of creating one from raw grief, that might throw Feathers off. In addition, we could explore the barrier in depth, to better understand the witch that came with it. This has many possibilities.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
... and now I'm picturing Sabrina doing that scene from Lord of the Rings where Gandalf releases Theodan from the curse.
Sabrina: Too long, Auriga have you sat in shadows. Harken to me, I release you from this pain!
Witch: [Laughs] Your powers have no pull here girl
Sabrina: [Pulls out the love and hope flavoured magic] I will pull the grief from you like pulling posion fron a wound.
Walpy [In background] - [Squees]
Sayaka:.... Is this is why you dressed me as Strider?
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
Yes, we need a comms buffer device before letting "despair saturated psychic content" happen. So far as taking over a Barrier, why? It's someone else's mind, and in the state they are in I don't think the route leads to a healthier Witch. We can already recycle and remove the fantasy inside the barrier with our power, and that seems like a best practice. At least until we get a Sensei to teach us proper aberrant Psychology.
If we can do a magical action by default, it must either be a consequence of what we wished for, or a consequence of how we exist.
What would using the True Name do? It might be less about Sword and Sorcery, and more about people?
If a Witch is not really experiencing reality due to cessation of personal identity, does an outsider exerting Will using the Name on them get to BE a part of the decision process the Witch is running?
First, we might have to create a 'pass.' Tag them by inserting a little dose of Hope flavored Magic or Grief. The Hope is 'Us.' We are now 'inside' of the Witch.
In other words, maybe it isn't about "Necromancer Pets" and way more like Master Hypnotist? Essentially, using the Name would let someone else simply insert ideas and goals that have very little evaluation, the Witch just does them - with no other guarantees that the Witch won't soon do something else, since this isn't control magic. It's hacking. Make a proper chain of input, and things can go your way. Mess up, get kicked out of the session.
I could see us wrestling Walpurgisnacht for control over her Grief, barely getting any progress as Mami and other girls defend our body... and then Homura breaks through, to whispering range of the Witch, and tells her, "Tart, you don't want to do this. Walpurgisnacht - SIT." If Sabrina is at full power, and the Witch has a glitch in concentration, what do you think the result would be?
Very interesting! IMHO, you get an Internet. Or 25 points for Mamigold. Something good, in any event.
If we can do a magical action by default, it must either be a consequence of what we wished for, or a consequence of how we exist.
What would using the True Name do? It might be less about Sword and Sorcery, and more about people?
If a Witch is not really experiencing reality due to cessation of personal identity, does an outsider exerting Will using the Name on them get to BE a part of the decision process the Witch is running?
First, we might have to create a 'pass.' Tag them by inserting a little dose of Hope flavored Magic or Grief. The Hope is 'Us.' We are now 'inside' of the Witch.
In other words, maybe it isn't about "Necromancer Pets" and way more like Master Hypnotist? Essentially, using the Name would let someone else simply insert ideas and goals that have very little evaluation, the Witch just does them - with no other guarantees that the Witch won't soon do something else, since this isn't control magic. It's hacking. Make a proper chain of input, and things can go your way. Mess up, get kicked out of the session.
I could see us wrestling Walpurgisnacht for control over her Grief, barely getting any progress as Mami and other girls defend our body... and then Homura breaks through, to whispering range of the Witch, and tells her, "Tart, you don't want to do this. Walpurgisnacht - SIT." If Sabrina is at full power, and the Witch has a glitch in concentration, what do you think the result would be?
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DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Actually.... couldn't you make correlations between how witching out is basically falling into crippling depression turned up to 11 and interfacing directly to your soul? So rather then talking about taking control would it not be better to approach treating it like a person whose well suffering from severe depression?
I feel like thats going to require talking, or someway to show the girls/witches they are not alone. Things with names, etc is just to get us to do that without having our head bitten off.
I feel like thats going to require talking, or someway to show the girls/witches they are not alone. Things with names, etc is just to get us to do that without having our head bitten off.
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- USA, Midworld world line
Yes! Control as a long-term action isn't interesting to me. Paradoxically, we do need control in the short term, and that might be the requirement. Witches have insanity of every possible flavor, with a typical common feature of pre-verbal expression ability (except for cryptic German text. I blame Kyuubey!) They are worse than raging wild animals. They can't listen to us. They can barely make decisions. We could try softer approaches if civilians weren't being eaten, we had all the time in the world, Madoka didn't want this to get fixed this loop, and we were perfectly invulnerable.
But we need to save everyone a bit more decisively, so I don't think a regulated amount of compulsion is wrong. Preventing murder is right, preventing self-harm is right. I'd trust us to use this correctly. The physical form of many Witches is practically self-harm already? That meaning, once we can fab interim human bodies, we can force a Witch to take one so she can experience positive emotion (and hugs) again.
- Location
- Norway
Talking about true names of witches, refresh my memory. Did we establish whether Walpurgisnacht is the true name of the witch conglomeration now, or is it just a cover name since the actual name is unknown? Because if so, we might get a serious surprise when we meet her face to face.
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
She hasn't entered IFF range, so no.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Sabrina: "This is a jecking!"
In regards to the Wallburger name I expect something like Sabrina's own namelist.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sabrina: Maybe witches just need headpats and hugs
Homura:..... That makes too much sense, you've infected me with your craziness.
Homura:..... That makes too much sense, you've infected me with your craziness.
Subrosian_Smithy
endless
- Location
- Washington
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Hers
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
"After all, it works for me!"
- Location
- Somewhere up the tree
that makes a disturbing amount of sense in line with the "sabrina is wally from an alternate timeline" theory
it is well within my understanding that walpurgisnaught isn't the witches name and is instead the name of the phenomena, considering that people keep using phrases like "a walpurgisnaught"
most witches paradoxically are manifestations of what they want most and them getting that thing and also them being surrounded by their own suffering and regret
like in sayakas barrier it is filled with calls for attention and a familiar that looks shocking like kwijibo playing for her, while also reminding them of just how horrid it really is.
and as for the idea of preforming therapy it would be an interesting idea that, if a barrier is an actualization of a witches mental landscape, then if we use our powers to change the barrier piece by piece would it feed back into the witch?
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
....and now I'm picturing Sabrina and Co doing the plot of Inception.
- Location
- Somewhere up the tree
exactly fingerguns
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Mami: "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger Darling."
Subrosian_Smithy
endless
- Location
- Washington
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Hers
Urobuchi: *laughs in Sanskrit*
Dragontrapper
Homeless Draconis
- Location
- A Tower in the middle of nowhere
*BWOOOONG*
Can Mami make a grenade launcher though?