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Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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This is also goot indicator who knows about lichbomb (probably rather common knowledge) and witchbomb. I think the "agresive" or "conspiratory" groups knew full truth or are led by girls knowing it. The "leaders" who know about witchbomb also know that they live on borrowed time - and are more and more desperate while searching for ANY solution that will help them. Some will welcome Sabrina as their Salvation, some will be cynical about her and some will have their own bizarre plans in motion (see Kamehameha's magical girls in Magia Record for example).
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- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
It's not a problem; not like we have a particular need to worry about imposters here.
Aaand you liked this post. Please hold while I panic.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
I wouldn't be surprised if Akane of PMAS rules Tokyo with an Iron Fist.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sabrina: ...... MAMI... MAMI
Mami: what?
Sabrina: I accidentally Sarajevoed Japan : (
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
And now I'm picturing Homura with an accordion... "Remove QB, Remove QB"
Absolutely terrible.
(Episode 5, bluray version, hospital building.)
(You could always interpret it as ten wards per floor and they're just numbered like that for some reason, but honestly the skylines of Mitakihara are consistently huge, soooo...)
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
It's been liked. By Firn.
Glad he's got enough time to read the thread now.
Now then, how to apply this analysis.
First off, to get them to accept clear seeds, obviously the main person that we need to convince is Akane. However, if she doesn't want to, we have options.
Our best bet would be to convince the other Chiyoda girls, since they're some of Akane's essential supporters. If Akane's ruling correctly the Chiyoda girls will have more grief seeds than they know what to do with, so I wouldn't bet on appealing to their greed or desperation. Then again, as my government and politics teacher once said, the only thing better than having tons of money, is having MORE money. So maybe greed. Probably though, our best bet would be to appeal to their better nature. People sometimes do really dumb stuff when they suddenly grow a moral compass.
The next place we could try to turn would be Akane's supporters among the representatives. They are much closer to the common people, and while their constituents shouldn't be doing too badly at all, they may appreciate a larger buffer between themselves and running out of seeds.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Ooh! Ooh! Architect had a vision and made every ward a couple of steps higher than the next previous on, so that the whole building could be laid up like a giant spiral staircase!
(Nevermind that is a terrible way to lay out a hospital where you'll have people being moved around in wheelchairs and on gurneys.)
obssesednuker
Commander of 10 Million Men
- Location
- In the Kremlin, activating Perimtr.
Someone in the PMMMverse musta been a nerd who wished for goddamn arcologies if the Tokyo buildings are consistently larger then that. I mean, the Burj Khalifa has 163 stories!
Wrong war, although now that the image is also stuck in my head that sounds familiar...
Hmm...
*googles*
Oh hell... I remembered correctly, IT IS A THING!
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Script Mak3r
(Verified Sun God) (Verified Feathers)
- Location
- Hell of Blazing Fires
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I mean, sixteen floors is already noticeably tall, and if there are multiple buildings...
(OTOH, living in rural Minnesota might leave me somewhat biased as far as such things go.)
Theres an easy way to figure that out. Pick any random public school in America and check the schoolbooks. If they publication date is less than 10 years ago, you've got definitive proof of the wish.
Got reeeeal confused as a kid when I looked up Russia in an atlas and found some place called the Soviet Union.
obssesednuker
Commander of 10 Million Men
- Location
- In the Kremlin, activating Perimtr.
Can confirm. I'm a student teacher doing practicum at a public school in the next county over. Our American History textbooks are from 2006.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Here's the cite on Osaki having an empath. So yeah, if we suddenly dump a bunch of Mami pictures in here, they'll sense it.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Here's the cite on Osaki having an empath. So yeah, if we suddenly dump a bunch of Mami pictures in here, they'll sense it.
You mean if we stop posting mumi pictures they'll sense it.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
What I'm hearing is that we absolutely should dump a bunch of Mami pictures in here.Here's the cite on Osaki having an empath. So yeah, if we suddenly dump a bunch of Mami pictures in here, they'll sense it.
I'll start us off with a screenshot of @ArcadianPhoenix and me in Minecraft:
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Muramasa
Best Girl
It seems a little strange to me that Kurenai's reason for declining a cleanse changes. Why would she turn down a cleanse because of the political climate? This is her territory and no one else should be here. Is the meeting being monitored?
blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
- Location
- Perth, Australia
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I guess the council's moratorium is on accepting all of our cleansing services not just the clear seeds? Even if you're pretty sure no one's watching you'd want to be extra safe if you can spare the grief seeds or it might drastically undermine your negotiating position and you probably have enough spare seeds to survive anyway.
After all with all the girls in Tokyo there are absolutely a few meguca with stealth or surveillance powers.
Edit: Also I want those minecraft skins.
After all with all the girls in Tokyo there are absolutely a few meguca with stealth or surveillance powers.
Edit: Also I want those minecraft skins.
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AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
What I'm hearing is that we absolutely should dump a bunch of Mami pictures in here.
I'll start us off with a screenshot of @ArcadianPhoenix and me in Minecraft:
"I don't know how you found out how to trivialize things even harder than Creative Mode, but by jove you sure did."
"She's awesome, isn't she?"
"It's just Griefbending. <3"
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Imagine a magical girl whose power is being able to tell when someone lies to her.
Imagine a magical girl whose power is being able to make sure someone has to keep their promises.
There are plenty of reasons why Kurenai might refuse the offer due to the Council's political issues, and only a few of them are related to magic like those two I just listed.
Hell, she might be an honest person.
Imagine a magical girl whose power is being able to make sure someone has to keep their promises.
There are plenty of reasons why Kurenai might refuse the offer due to the Council's political issues, and only a few of them are related to magic like those two I just listed.
Hell, she might be an honest person.
- Location
- Illinois
Well, as should have been expected, I stand, eh, partially corrected.
Toshimichi Akane, huh, from Showa. Powerful.
Balance of power dictated by a single figure engaged in -- well, basically, nobody can start a fight because they'd add her to the other side, which would tilt the balance of power against them. Okay, absent deeper shit that's outright admirable. She's not just charismatic and powerful, she's also intelligent and savvy enough to recognize that this is something she can do at all and to carry it out. Well, hopefully.
I had... kind of feared something like this, but... This isn't quite the right conditions for that...?
... No, wait, it might be. Emphasis on might. If... Gods, that would be a nasty picture, but... Meh. We'll see. Probably not.
The primary issue, highlighted. If there's not the usual conflict here in Tokyo, what goes on when new contracts bring the city above carrying capacity?
Conflict. As noted, a clear seed is a weapon.
So, parts of the population are witchbombed. Spectacular.
Well, at any rate, I think it's blindingly obvious that a single clear seed isn't going to cut it here. One per team at *least.*
So, let's see here. We need some basic analysis.
First, how are the territories arranged? Does every territory border Chiyoda group, or do some have to pass through other territories to get there?
Second, what's the population per territory? There must be differences, so there's bound to be territories with lower and higher populations -- the question is, how much of a difference?
Third, as a corollary of second, what would happen if a group tried to get the council to redraw territorial boundaries? My bet is gridlock.
Second and Third shouldn't be important as long as Nakahara's assertion about there not being any groups low on seeds is correct. If it's incorrect, they become critical.
First is important in some circumstances -- it will have implications for the possibility of getting everyone to accept a seed simultaneously in the way we have floated.
With all of that said, however... If we simply optimize a little bit more, then the real problem lies only with what would happen if every team got a clear seed at the same time.
[X] The question of who gets aid first shouldn't be an actual issue. You have a teleporting cloner. There are entirely too many ways to leverage that so that each group gets a single clear seed at the exact same time.
(Off the top of my head, each group trades a grief seed for a grief seed's worth of cleanse, or-- no, each group gives us a used seed, we take the used seed, we distribute clear seeds simultaneously via Sayaka once we have all of them ready. Hell, we can have them give the used seeds to Sayaka clones. The worst outcome for them is losing nothing. The best outcome is gaining everything.)
Mentioning coming down against anybody starting a fight is pointless given that solution, I think, and would only come across as warmonger-y when we have a solution that appears to preclude fighting entirely...
Beyond that, um. We should ask about Rionna -- she mentioned friends in Tokyo and I am already not liking where that and "people aware of witchbomb" is going.
We should talk about the aftermath, also, probably. Hm.
Toshimichi Akane, huh, from Showa. Powerful.
Balance of power dictated by a single figure engaged in -- well, basically, nobody can start a fight because they'd add her to the other side, which would tilt the balance of power against them. Okay, absent deeper shit that's outright admirable. She's not just charismatic and powerful, she's also intelligent and savvy enough to recognize that this is something she can do at all and to carry it out. Well, hopefully.
I had... kind of feared something like this, but... This isn't quite the right conditions for that...?
... No, wait, it might be. Emphasis on might. If... Gods, that would be a nasty picture, but... Meh. We'll see. Probably not.
The primary issue, highlighted. If there's not the usual conflict here in Tokyo, what goes on when new contracts bring the city above carrying capacity?
Conflict. As noted, a clear seed is a weapon.
So, parts of the population are witchbombed. Spectacular.
Well, at any rate, I think it's blindingly obvious that a single clear seed isn't going to cut it here. One per team at *least.*
So, let's see here. We need some basic analysis.
First, how are the territories arranged? Does every territory border Chiyoda group, or do some have to pass through other territories to get there?
Second, what's the population per territory? There must be differences, so there's bound to be territories with lower and higher populations -- the question is, how much of a difference?
Third, as a corollary of second, what would happen if a group tried to get the council to redraw territorial boundaries? My bet is gridlock.
Second and Third shouldn't be important as long as Nakahara's assertion about there not being any groups low on seeds is correct. If it's incorrect, they become critical.
First is important in some circumstances -- it will have implications for the possibility of getting everyone to accept a seed simultaneously in the way we have floated.
With all of that said, however... If we simply optimize a little bit more, then the real problem lies only with what would happen if every team got a clear seed at the same time.
[X] The question of who gets aid first shouldn't be an actual issue. You have a teleporting cloner. There are entirely too many ways to leverage that so that each group gets a single clear seed at the exact same time.
(Off the top of my head, each group trades a grief seed for a grief seed's worth of cleanse, or-- no, each group gives us a used seed, we take the used seed, we distribute clear seeds simultaneously via Sayaka once we have all of them ready. Hell, we can have them give the used seeds to Sayaka clones. The worst outcome for them is losing nothing. The best outcome is gaining everything.)
Mentioning coming down against anybody starting a fight is pointless given that solution, I think, and would only come across as warmonger-y when we have a solution that appears to preclude fighting entirely...
Beyond that, um. We should ask about Rionna -- she mentioned friends in Tokyo and I am already not liking where that and "people aware of witchbomb" is going.
We should talk about the aftermath, also, probably. Hm.
- Location
- Somewhere up the tree
we should probably get sayaka to copy these guys powers. don't even know what they got just want to make sayaka OP as hell
also pretty sure that the reason she can't copy us is either
A) we are an artificial human, she can't copy powers from things that aren't strictly human
B) we were created from madoka's wish that had the capability to affect all universes and timelines everywhere bouncing backwards and forward through time. we are simply way to powerful and beyond human for her to copy
C) GOTT IST TOTT (we're a witch, she can't copy witches)
also pretty sure that the reason she can't copy us is either
A) we are an artificial human, she can't copy powers from things that aren't strictly human
B) we were created from madoka's wish that had the capability to affect all universes and timelines everywhere bouncing backwards and forward through time. we are simply way to powerful and beyond human for her to copy
C) GOTT IST TOTT (we're a witch, she can't copy witches)
blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
- Location
- Perth, Australia
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Might that come across as us "owing them a favour" and compromise our negotiating position?