DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Well thats accurate for just about every single large organization ever.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
- Thread starter Firnagzen
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- puella magi adfligo systema puella magi madoka magica be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist bad decisions dating mami tomoe (tomoe mami) diabolical laughter friendship is the best ship handholding identity crises microwaving tea gets you put in the bad place names are important the body is the fursona of the soul this is not the baked goods thread we don't talk about rionna what could possibly go wrong? who in the world is azure sanfrancisco?
Well thats accurate for just about every single large organization ever.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Hmm. We should be able to ameliorate a lot of potential issues with a Clear Seed if we make it clear that we'll come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who decides to try to conquer Tokyo with one while the situation remains in flux.
We should try and get a meeting set up with Chiyoda soon. Since they're more-or-less in charge of Tokyo, we'll probably be working closely with them - and I'll eat a hat if they don't keep an incredibly detailed overview of the Tokyo situation on hand.
Poor Homu, though. I'm imagining Moemura trying to navigate the politics here and it makes me want to hug her.
We should try and get a meeting set up with Chiyoda soon. Since they're more-or-less in charge of Tokyo, we'll probably be working closely with them - and I'll eat a hat if they don't keep an incredibly detailed overview of the Tokyo situation on hand.
Poor Homu, though. I'm imagining Moemura trying to navigate the politics here and it makes me want to hug her.
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Hold the fuck up. I just realized something.
Okay. In the Sendai conflict, Akiko was attempting to hire on the North Tokyo faction. Meanwhile, the University group was on the verge of bringing in the Osaki faction, on the opposite side of the conflict. Both factions are members of Tokyo Council. What does this say about the relations between the two factions? And how much would have Tokyo imploded had they been brought in?
Okay. In the Sendai conflict, Akiko was attempting to hire on the North Tokyo faction. Meanwhile, the University group was on the verge of bringing in the Osaki faction, on the opposite side of the conflict. Both factions are members of Tokyo Council. What does this say about the relations between the two factions? And how much would have Tokyo imploded had they been brought in?
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Chiyoda would have tried to put their foot down to avoid infighting, but I could easily see things deteriorating into a full meltdown if left unchecked.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
Well, I already want to stab that Omake's version of Himeko. Government should be about both morality and stability. Never one to the exclusion of the other. People like her are disgusting.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
The boyfriend might be useful for figuring out which bombs are where, since we can ask him about it without risking him dying.
Himeko's argument boils down to "stability is moral, so we should ignore morality to uphold it." I've never actually seen an argument for order being a worthwhile value separate from morals that didn't do that.
- Location
- Earth, probably.
- Pronouns
- None/Any
These might be the ones that know where witches come from. An excess of grief-seeds makes sense for people who know it's the only thing staving off their deaths.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
Still disgusting.
Back on topic though, I think we definitely need more information here, and should at the very least probe carefully about the bombs.
- Location
- Australia
To be fair, the original character Himeko is based on is a civil servant, and it's therefore necessary that he be prepared to carry out government policy regardless of his personal or moral views on it. As the scene continues, a more idealistic junior of Himeko/Sir Humphrey questions whether civil servants should have to believe in the policies they implement, to which the reply is something like:
"Bernard, I have served 11 governments over the past 30 years. If I believed in every policy I've instituted, I would have been passionately committed to going into the common market, and passionately committed to staying out of it. I'd have been utterly convinced of the rightness of nationalizing steel, and of denationalizing it, and renationalizing it. On capital punishment I'd have been a fervent retentionist and an ardent abolitionist. I'd have been both a Keynesian and a Friedmanite, a grammar school preserver and destroyer, a nationalisation freak and a privatisation maniac, but above all, I would have been a stark-staring raving schizophrenic."
Googling the name brings up a character in Vampire Knight named Maria Kurenai, who was voiced by Mai Nakahara.
We never got a physical description of Nakahara Kurenai.
The Ones That Know.
Additions to the Meguca Files:
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Didn't we institute an auto vote back in Asunaro to check the Witch name of every new meguca we meet?
Maybe Firn forgot? Coming up with Witch names for so many characters can't be easy.
Nepthys
... I'm nine hundred and ninety-nine percent sure Madoka Verse Taylor Hebert sold her soul for better schools.
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Updated the Tokyo Politics tab in the Day Planner. Working on the Dramitis Personae and Meguca Descriptions tabs now.
Also: We know from descriptions we got in Sendai that the Osaki group has an empath. Since that's a power particularly useful in leadership and politics, I'd guess that that's Kurenai.
So... yeah. She's probably reading our emotions right now. That's not really an issue - we've been honest and we're sincere about our desire to help. In fact, it'll probably help establish that we're serious and don't have ulterior motives.
Also: We know from descriptions we got in Sendai that the Osaki group has an empath. Since that's a power particularly useful in leadership and politics, I'd guess that that's Kurenai.
So... yeah. She's probably reading our emotions right now. That's not really an issue - we've been honest and we're sincere about our desire to help. In fact, it'll probably help establish that we're serious and don't have ulterior motives.
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obssesednuker
Commander of 10 Million Men
- Location
- In the Kremlin, activating Perimtr.
Given the general description of how Tokyo looks, with skyscrapers that "dwarf the Skytree", it seems that weird gigantism in architecture in general is just a thing in the PMMMverse and there's no way that isn't because of wish magic.
Also, I think it'd be a good idea to establish a SOP on how to figure out understanding about the infohazards (the witchbomb and lichbomb) from newly contacted Meguca's without revealing the infohazards. Since the frequency and necessity of that is clearly starting to rise.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
We just need to develop short term memory wiping enchantments with Umika and Niko's help. Ask about the bombs, then wipe the memory of asking if the girl didn't know them. EZ.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
Okay! Time to analyze the politics of Tokyo!
bribe *ahem* campaign contribution, if you will.
Furthermore, decisions are made by majority vote. One would think that this requires Akane to have over half of the representatives aligned behind her, but we don't know how many parties there are. If there are a large number of small parties, Akane will not need as many representatives to support her, because her ideas only need more votes than the next most popular decision in order to win. Small parties whose ideas won't win suck up some of the representatives from everyone else, so that the second most popular idea has less votes, and thus it takes less votes for the winning idea (Akane's) to win.
I'm not sure, but large amounts of arguing seems to me like it might be indicative of many smaller parties all trying to make their opinions heard.
As a bonus, Akane can honestly say that she's trying to put girls together who will work well together, since third party girls will probably get along better with each other than with members of other parties.
Example: Team Tagwen has 10 members, 6 of which are members of the Cheese party, and 4 of which are members of Akane's Cake party. Akane will switch out the 4 members of the Cake party into Team Gogswain, who have 2 members of the Cake party and 8 members of the Cheese party. Now Team Tagwen has 10 Cheese party members (but still only one representative), while Team Gogswain has enough Cake party members that they are the majority. While previously the Cheese party could send 2 representatives to the council, now they can only send one, and the Cake party has a representative that they didn't have before.
That being said, it doesn't say why they're like that. Perhaps the desperation for some groups is born of being in situations that they need more grief seeds for? People who are injured and need to buy healing, people who are depressed and desperately gathering enough seeds to survive, or perhaps people who just really like power, or have vendettas like Akiko.
Whew. Okay. So, by my analysis, this seems very similar to the political system of the United States. Less complicated, fortunately, and without term limits, but pretty darn similar. We should probably try and figure out whether Kurenai's group is part of Akane's party, or part of an opposition party.
Majestic. Kurenai (and Yuri, of course) has put us off balance just by welcoming us, and even better it feels like our fault for being surprised by a male that knows about magical girls. Looks like they're trying to regain the initiative after we surprised her with 20 minutes to prepare for our visit. They're good.
Trying to throw us off a little more? Doesn't seem very effective.
They have propaganda to encourage new contractees to join the council. Useful.
So, sounds like Akane is the leader overall, with magical girls in teams composing the nominal selectorate, and representatives of teams forming the real selectorate. Out of the representatives, Akane will need to keep a certain number aligned behind her (half? Less? We don't yet know how much of a majority the council needs in order to make official decisions), who will be the winning coalition. The Chiyoda team are also all essential supporters for Akane, as she needs to keep them happy with her rule in order to remain their representative.
Akane is basically the President then. I'm not sure I'm reading this correctly, but it sounds like other groups help Chiyoda farm witches? That means a lot less work for the Chiyoda girls, and would certainly be a system set up by Akane in order to keep them happy with her leadership. A
Furthermore, decisions are made by majority vote. One would think that this requires Akane to have over half of the representatives aligned behind her, but we don't know how many parties there are. If there are a large number of small parties, Akane will not need as many representatives to support her, because her ideas only need more votes than the next most popular decision in order to win. Small parties whose ideas won't win suck up some of the representatives from everyone else, so that the second most popular idea has less votes, and thus it takes less votes for the winning idea (Akane's) to win.
I'm not sure, but large amounts of arguing seems to me like it might be indicative of many smaller parties all trying to make their opinions heard.
Now this is interesting. In America, gerrymandering is done by shifting the borders around to fit the people. Here, this isn't the case. Instead, gerrymandering is done by shifting people around to fit the borders. I bet Akane either directly or indirectly has a fair amount of say in who gets sent where. This would allow her to stack lots of people who don't like her into the same teams, meaning that they have less impact on representatives since they only need a certain number of girls on the team to vote in the representative. Any more third party girls on a team than are strictly necessary to have a majority are effectively wasted politically. I would expect that girls from Akane's party are relatively spread out, having slim majorities over third party girls in order to maximize their impact on the political makeup of the representatives.
As a bonus, Akane can honestly say that she's trying to put girls together who will work well together, since third party girls will probably get along better with each other than with members of other parties.
Example: Team Tagwen has 10 members, 6 of which are members of the Cheese party, and 4 of which are members of Akane's Cake party. Akane will switch out the 4 members of the Cake party into Team Gogswain, who have 2 members of the Cake party and 8 members of the Cheese party. Now Team Tagwen has 10 Cheese party members (but still only one representative), while Team Gogswain has enough Cake party members that they are the majority. While previously the Cheese party could send 2 representatives to the council, now they can only send one, and the Cake party has a representative that they didn't have before.
Might be an unfortunate side effect of the gerrymandering. Akane's party is more peaceful, so she puts violent and expansionist girls together in same groups so that they won't have as much power (especially when there's no way to expand their territory at all). This minimizes the voices of those particularly bloodthirsty girls, but also means that those entire teams are filled with them, making the teams very difficult to deal with for everyone else.
That being said, it doesn't say why they're like that. Perhaps the desperation for some groups is born of being in situations that they need more grief seeds for? People who are injured and need to buy healing, people who are depressed and desperately gathering enough seeds to survive, or perhaps people who just really like power, or have vendettas like Akiko.
Whew. Okay. So, by my analysis, this seems very similar to the political system of the United States. Less complicated, fortunately, and without term limits, but pretty darn similar. We should probably try and figure out whether Kurenai's group is part of Akane's party, or part of an opposition party.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Finished updating the Dramatis Personae and Meguca Description tabs in the planner.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Foremost, a government should be consistent. This will also tend to make it predictable, dependable and stable (well, so long as it is not consistently terrible).
You want morality to be involved in the actual governing part of government about as little as you want justice to be the chief concern of court proceedings.
Yes, ideally, it would be a moral government and justice would be the outcome of the courts, but primarily their concern is ensuring everyone is equal under the law and things happen in their proper order.
And focusing on morality and justice above all have you ignoring the fundamental rights of someone sooner rather than later in the name of what is Right. And that is not proper. A government, a good, legalistic government, HAS to ensure that first and foremost it is consistent in applying and meting out reward and sanction.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
It's perfect...Akane would love this. It gives her so many opportunities to reward her supporters! Valuable members of her party could have less rotations as part of The Grand Hunt (TM), or at least could be allowed to choose when they do their rotations. Teams that are part of her party could be given a larger distribution of the spoils, perhaps with some excuse, like larger population size, or having depressed members). Akane could reward teams by making sure the Grand Hunt doesn't pass through much of their territory, leaving them more witches to farm. This would be great! For Akane.
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The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Ah, now I see: Yuri and Yuko are the exception that clarifies the rule:
It's not that magical girls themselves are necessarily lesbians, it's simply that every SO of a magical girl is into Yuri
... I kinda want to share that one. Well, after we're back home anyways. These guys have heard it a thousand times already.
It wouldn't surprise me if those groups weren't often either the most desperate in arguing for our aid, or the most suspicious. Noa said earlier that the Meiji group rejected our offer entirely, which speaks to them having possible encounters huckster grief controllers, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened as a result of them being witchbombed.
On the subject of bombs, an idea that comes to mind is asking Toshimichi Akane for advice on how she set things up: We're starting to get a bunch of refugees in Mitakihara, and if she's managing Tokyo in order to keep wichbombed girls from spreading things and causing chaos, her advice on how would be quite pertinent. If nothing else how to talking to them to figure out who knows what and arrange things accordingly sounds useful.
It's not that magical girls themselves are necessarily lesbians, it's simply that every SO of a magical girl is into Yuri
... I kinda want to share that one. Well, after we're back home anyways. These guys have heard it a thousand times already.
It wouldn't surprise me if those groups weren't often either the most desperate in arguing for our aid, or the most suspicious. Noa said earlier that the Meiji group rejected our offer entirely, which speaks to them having possible encounters huckster grief controllers, and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened as a result of them being witchbombed.
On the subject of bombs, an idea that comes to mind is asking Toshimichi Akane for advice on how she set things up: We're starting to get a bunch of refugees in Mitakihara, and if she's managing Tokyo in order to keep wichbombed girls from spreading things and causing chaos, her advice on how would be quite pertinent. If nothing else how to talking to them to figure out who knows what and arrange things accordingly sounds useful.
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- The state of Paranoia
Talking about how government should be is all well and good, but it seems to me that it doesn't predict what government is actually like very well. The number one rule for understanding politics is that rulers (like Akane) want to gain power, and then keep as much of it as possible, for as long as possible. That's why government likes stability. Because stability makes it easier to stay in power. Your essential supporters are less likely to try to overthrow you if they know that all those little benefits they get from supporting you are going stay there for as long as you're in power. If you start changing things willy nilly, your supporters may become unsure if that nice big tax break they enjoy might suddenly not exist next year. That's when they start looking around for who else might make a better leader than you.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
You know, on learning that the leader of Tokyo is named Akane, I find myself wondering.
Way back when, before PMAS, there was Sayakaquest. Which had much the same community as PMAS, especially early PMAS, including Firn himself. And it had a Tokyo girl by the name of Akane too.
So I find myself wondering if this Akane is also a punch-guca.
Way back when, before PMAS, there was Sayakaquest. Which had much the same community as PMAS, especially early PMAS, including Firn himself. And it had a Tokyo girl by the name of Akane too.
So I find myself wondering if this Akane is also a punch-guca.
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
That would be great.
- Location
- Somewhere up the tree
or mote efficiently we should start using euphemisms of kinds that those who have been bombed would understand and those who haven't wouldn'tWe just need to develop short term memory wiping enchantments with Umika and Niko's help. Ask about the bombs, then wipe the memory of asking if the girl didn't know them. EZ.
like in the irc chat the inquired about the litchbomb by asking us our opinions on rings
to someone who hasn't been bombed it would seem a bit odd but to someone who hasn't it would be pretty obvious what they're getting at
we just need to figure out one for where witches come from
i would believe that it would include the litchbomb at least simply because it is an incredibly basic part of it and you need to know to protect your gem at all costs.