Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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I basically just write my mental models of the characters and then throw out some ideas as options. The other 5% is blowing up middle schools and hoping doing so works out
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I figured it out.I basically just write my mental models of the characters and then throw out some ideas as options. The other 5% is blowing up middle schools and hoping doing so works out
Homura blew up the school.
Next she's gonna blow up Shirome.
Then she'll blow up another school.
And that'll be that. No more schools blowing up.
Nobody will understand why someone blew up three schools.
The fact that the blowing up of the second school was timed slightly off, with a few early students getting caught up, will get waved away as not fitting the general modus operandi of the school exploder.
Nobody will realize the fact the second one was Shirome, or that Oriko Mikuni was amongst the unfortunate victims, had any special significance.
Except for one girl, one who could not allow herself to believe this a mere coincidence, or a random mistake, for, to herself, Oriko was meant to be more, more than anyone.
Heartbroken Kirika Kure is on the case.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
[YES] Build a treehouse at Madoka's place.
Legitimately a fantastic idea. Madoka seems like exactly the girl that'd have a treehouse filled with board games and pillows, which means that Homura can't even complain.
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A fitting tree house for Madoka is probably sized to have chairs.[YES] Build a treehouse at Madoka's place.
Legitimately a fantastic idea. Madoka seems like exactly the girl that'd have a treehouse filled with board games and pillows, which means that Homura can't even complain.
Everything is world class in Mitakihara - probably in the building codes, now that I think about it.
I believe Sabrina'd know that it's like Homura: ask before hugging; it's just that it'd be a lot harder to get Jade to agree since Sabrina wouldn't have the same kind of initial social edge with Jade than the one she had with Homura (believing Sabrina was product of Madoka's wish).
My main worry is that Sabrina may fumble the social first impression, getting too excited when she realizees Jade's soul gem doesn't generate grief (she had soul surgery some time ago)
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
"I'll be waiting for you in the third sub-basement of Madoka's treehouse."
"Third sub-bas-what the fuck, Homu-?"
Homura is already gone.
Always Happening
We could have prevented this.
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>all these people underestimating a hypothetical portalguca
Man, you guys need to watch some Wakfu.
Man, you guys need to watch some Wakfu.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Like, two whole pages ago.
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To be fair, they were talking about Portal videogame style portals, where they can only be formed on a solid surface, have a set size, can't portal cut, don't make lasers when they self-intersect, etc etc.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I'd think the portalguca would necessarily have to be OP... or dead.
Like Mami; that first Witch fight without a clear way to attack the Witch... it kind of decides how things are gonna be or not be.
Always Happening
We could have prevented this.
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Eh, fair, I did kind of skim it. Even then, portals are pretty hella versatile and applicable in combat.
This is part of why I dare to be excited to work with Yukariguca; Even if all she can do is the gaps, they still don't require an anchoring surface, can move through space (allowing her to fly by just riding one) and, given that they cut through an eldritch nega-space between dimensions, are almost certainly facilitated by her witch's barrier-- we've seen how barriers distort space, especially when we tried to create one.
If the gaps are actually tearing the Here/There boundary, but she hasn't learned how to use any other application of her power/they're locked behind magic costs so prohibitive they'd pretty much kill her outright, then she can hypothetically, among other things, manipulate the border between Puella Magi and Witch, and holy shit we need to get on that right the fuck now.
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It's hard to be certain given how little we actually know about her, but given that she's obsessed enough with Touhou to bother cosplaying the whole time, it seems likely to me that her Wish was outright for "Yukari's power" or to "be Yukari". Based on intent, that should give her more then just the gaps.
Of course, actually gaining that amount of power is pretty obviously over her potential, so it's anybody's guess how such a wish would actually manifest. Presumably there's some degree of nerfing going on even beyond prohibitive grief costs, since the Hope/Grief boundary is absolutely one that Yukari's power should effect. (Also, Firn wouldn't toss someone that can break the game if given unlimited cleansing at us.)
One particularly cute possible nerf is if in addition to grief costs, Yukariguca also requires belief from others to function, like actual Touhou youkai, but that's purely speculation on my part.
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Reminder that microwaving tea has been experimentally proven to be optimal method of brewing.
Once again, glorious SCIENCE has saved the day.
Heresy.
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Always Happening
We could have prevented this.
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- On a train with no brakes
That'd certainly be a succinct explanation, especially since we have experience with people wishing to be other people before (Airi). To boot, Puella Magi fundamentally are youkai, and not that metaphysically different from Magicians-- they love to cling to their humanity, sure, but they're really human in name only at this point. Hell, when Kazumi wished to become human (instead of a magical chimera), Kyuubey warned her that she'd be wasting her wish, since she'd transform immediately from a human into a puella magi.
And given Yukari's ability to play around with the borders of Truth/Lies and Fantasy/Reality... There may not be much meaningful distinction between the magi and the youkai, except inasfar as she's hampered by possessing a Soul Gem. Of course, Yukari's also notoriously capricious, so working with her could be difficult...
Yuuka "Genocide is just a game" Kazami?
I mean, she's mellowed out a fair bit but...
Well, we could always lock her and Rionanabanana in a closet together.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
See, the only way the Wish manifested is that 'Yukariguca' became 'eternally seventeen'.
That is all.
Every thing else she can do is not a Wish effect, but Enchantment Magic born out of the sheer frustration at failing to Wish Good.
So there are three things that came to me last night as I was trying to sleep.
One. Tonight, we should show Mami a new hug technique "Trio Sabrina Magnifica" where we create a clone and a chibi, and just sleep like that for the evening.
Two: De-Witchification is the harbinger of the Quest's endgame. Achieving it is the point at which Sabrina's global presence tips from from "A potentially useful ally and compassionate benefactor" into "The Most Valuable Magical Girl on the Planet." I suspect the quest will metamorphosis at that point. Because it's now about big things rather than the street-level interactions we've had.
Three. We're Homura's best friend. Like, her best friend. The only other person that has shown Homura the same level of understanding, empathy, and encouragement is Madoka at the end of the series. We're someone who assuages Homura's fears, while also knowing why she has those fears. We understand her to a degree that even Madoka hasn't. Yes, Madoka sees what Homura's gone through, but her understanding of those events doesn't allow her to predict Homura's betrayal in Rebellion. It doesn't allow her to see why becoming God to the world is a hell for Homura.
So, a question. What happens when we reach the point where our level of love, compassion and encouragement towards Homura begins to rival Madoka? What happens when Homura finds that she has two people that she feels very protective of? Will she begin to see her affection towards us as a danger? Will Homura's wish begin to interfere with her ability to have other meaningful relationships beside Madoka?
Homuficer won't come after us because we do something wrong. Homuficer will come after us because, in the cosmic hierarchy of the universe, anything that subtracts love from Madoka is a threat. She wished to protect Madoka, anything that compromises her love for Madoka is a danger. Ergo we are a threat. Because she loves us too much.
One. Tonight, we should show Mami a new hug technique "Trio Sabrina Magnifica" where we create a clone and a chibi, and just sleep like that for the evening.
Two: De-Witchification is the harbinger of the Quest's endgame. Achieving it is the point at which Sabrina's global presence tips from from "A potentially useful ally and compassionate benefactor" into "The Most Valuable Magical Girl on the Planet." I suspect the quest will metamorphosis at that point. Because it's now about big things rather than the street-level interactions we've had.
Three. We're Homura's best friend. Like, her best friend. The only other person that has shown Homura the same level of understanding, empathy, and encouragement is Madoka at the end of the series. We're someone who assuages Homura's fears, while also knowing why she has those fears. We understand her to a degree that even Madoka hasn't. Yes, Madoka sees what Homura's gone through, but her understanding of those events doesn't allow her to predict Homura's betrayal in Rebellion. It doesn't allow her to see why becoming God to the world is a hell for Homura.
So, a question. What happens when we reach the point where our level of love, compassion and encouragement towards Homura begins to rival Madoka? What happens when Homura finds that she has two people that she feels very protective of? Will she begin to see her affection towards us as a danger? Will Homura's wish begin to interfere with her ability to have other meaningful relationships beside Madoka?
Homuficer won't come after us because we do something wrong. Homuficer will come after us because, in the cosmic hierarchy of the universe, anything that subtracts love from Madoka is a threat. She wished to protect Madoka, anything that compromises her love for Madoka is a danger. Ergo we are a threat. Because she loves us too much.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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I'm pretty sure I wrote an omake at one point where Madoka is safe but Sabrina is dead, and Homura's hand hovers uncertainly over the shield.
Homura can't kill us, though. Her love isn't a zero sum game. As much as she says otherwise, she loves the other girls so immensely that she NEEDS them, emotionally, to be part of her dream world. She isn't complete without them, and she's only compromising on that due to how much the loops have destroyed her.
Homura would never give us up, and she would never hurt us unless we were a legitimate danger to Madoka or something.
No, if anything, our presence is going to allow her, through contrast and comparing, to realize she's a homosexual and in love with Madoka.
Which, canonically, she doesn't realize until she becomes the Devil. Not until that exact moment.
AsuraKyoko
The Witch who was known as the Goddess of War
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Damn, this girl is dense.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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She's one of the MCs in the Mahou Shoujo anime; what did you expect?
More seriously though, I'm not sure Homura even recognizes the distinction between different kinds of love.
For example, she knows she loves Madoka the most, she knows she kinda likes Sayaka ( even if she's stoopid, b-baka ), but is it Eros? Is it Philia? Is it, what the heck, Storge? What are these Greek words anyway?! She doesn't know!
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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Okay but to be fair, she was raised at a Catholic orphanage, and Madoka is her first and only friend, and she was deprived of even familial love.
Madoka is the only person who ever indicated they were happy Homura existed, in her entire life.
I agree with all of this. But I can also see Homura thinking that her affection for us is compromising her ability to protect Madoka. Love isn't a zero-sum, but Homura could certainly think that it is.
Caring about others isn't the problem. Its having feelings that are approaching the same level of emotional commitment and how that interplays with her wish to protect Madoka. It's familial instead of romantic, but at a level where Homura struggles between the two.
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I can certainly see Homura struggling with this, but not to such a degree. We're directly feeding into her wish by shouldering the other burdens, so that she can protect Madoka. In addition, we'll probably notice if Homura's grappling this issue, and stage a timely Brina-vention.
A hypothetical Homucifer, though? One who's absorbing the varied alternate Homuras, and purging any who reject her Rebellion? We'd scare this hypothetical Homura on a number of levels, notably this one. Now, I'm not sure whether this hypothetical Homucifer does exist (I saw the idea bounced around a couple dozen pages back), but if she does, maybe this is a lever we could use?