Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Supposedly, the average capacity of a Grief Seed is somewhere in the range of two full cleansings. Dunno if it's canon or fanon.
That PSP game might hold some info on the subject, I guess?
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Supposedly, the average capacity of a Grief Seed is somewhere in the range of two full cleansings. Dunno if it's canon or fanon.
That PSP game might hold some info on the subject, I guess?
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
I think she would want to know why we aren't asking whoever dewitched us to help with this project, since they have apparently already figured out how to do it.
In other words, it would raise far more questions than it answered.
Also, while there's strong evidence that Madoka wished us into existence, there's no actual evidence that we're a dewitched Walpurgisnacht as opposed to being created ex nihilo, so that would just be us making shit up.
- Location
- Potato land
Why not just tell her that we have strong reasons to believe we've been created by magic, and have a guess as to how and why it was done, but it's very sensitive information that we don't yet trust her enough to share?
Seems like the only way of navigating this conversation without needing to explicitly lie to her at some point. Any partial answer will only lead to more questions, and given that she flew across half the world to meet us, I doubt she'll be easy to distract from the crux of the matter.
Seems like the only way of navigating this conversation without needing to explicitly lie to her at some point. Any partial answer will only lead to more questions, and given that she flew across half the world to meet us, I doubt she'll be easy to distract from the crux of the matter.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
I think she's less interested in how we came to be and more in how she can benefit from it, by replicating results, if possible. We can meet her minimal expectations with a Clear Seed.
More than that, we can honestly say that we'd probably require her cooperation on the matter.
Give her some reasons to stay with us and cooperate if that's what we want her to do.
More than that, we can honestly say that we'd probably require her cooperation on the matter.
Give her some reasons to stay with us and cooperate if that's what we want her to do.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
[x] Vebyast
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
This. While I don't think "What's your deal?" is a rhetorical question exactly, I do think it's a secondary concern at best. She's far more interested in how we can help her.
[jk] Ask about the obviously magically enchanted alchohol, had she tried hope-enchanted energy drinks instead? How about some angry coffee?
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- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
So, should we break out the summoning circles? I have a feeling Homucifer's getting a little antsy. How long has it been without a Homucifer omake?
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Eight pages?..
Edit: you know what's really weird?
I've just rewatched Rebellion, and here we are discussing Homucifer.
Fucking Fourth Wall made of paper "grumble mumble"
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- Location
- Potato land
On the other hand, if we don't put an answer into the vote, we risk leaving it up to the pilot if Riona does push the issue. It's true that we don't need to aggressively throw the fact that we don't trust her in her face, though.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Eh, I guess I have nothing to do at the moment. Though I don't have patience and motivation for a bigger thing, so there's that.
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Perplexing.
This was the word that came into what a human would call "a mind" of a being, once upon a time known as "Akemi Homura".
She was nowhere and everywhere at once, her consciousness connected with everything, engulfing everything.
Is this how she felt before I...
Homura forcefully cut off the thought, a process she's become quite adept at after becoming comfortable with her new form of existence.
Instead of dwelling on pointless things, she once again cast her gaze at the incomprehensible thing floating in front of her.
... It looked like a door.
... In the middle of outer space.
... Nani the fu-
A ringing doorbell.
If Sayaka somehow regained her memories and was messing with her again, Madoka help her, she'd find her and she would make her wear that outfit in front of Kyouko! Enough is eno-
"Excuse me?" An unfamiliar voice sounded from outside of the doors. "I don't want to presume, but would you like to speak about our Lady and Savior Madokami Kaname? She erased herself from the existence for our sins, you know?"
A distinctly closed door cracked and opened, seemingly saying "Fuck this shit, I'm not paid nearly enough to deal with this."
In the opened doors the being once known as Homura Akemi could see...
White hair.
Blue eyes reflecting all the Grief and Hope of the Universe.
A smile.
Homura whimpered.
"Or so the story goes. I'm trying out something different," she said. "Hi, Mom! Got a minute?"
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Perplexing.
This was the word that came into what a human would call "a mind" of a being, once upon a time known as "Akemi Homura".
She was nowhere and everywhere at once, her consciousness connected with everything, engulfing everything.
Is this how she felt before I...
Homura forcefully cut off the thought, a process she's become quite adept at after becoming comfortable with her new form of existence.
Instead of dwelling on pointless things, she once again cast her gaze at the incomprehensible thing floating in front of her.
... It looked like a door.
... In the middle of outer space.
... Nani the fu-
A ringing doorbell.
If Sayaka somehow regained her memories and was messing with her again, Madoka help her, she'd find her and she would make her wear that outfit in front of Kyouko! Enough is eno-
"Excuse me?" An unfamiliar voice sounded from outside of the doors. "I don't want to presume, but would you like to speak about our Lady and Savior Madokami Kaname? She erased herself from the existence for our sins, you know?"
A distinctly closed door cracked and opened, seemingly saying "Fuck this shit, I'm not paid nearly enough to deal with this."
In the opened doors the being once known as Homura Akemi could see...
White hair.
Blue eyes reflecting all the Grief and Hope of the Universe.
A smile.
Homura whimpered.
"Or so the story goes. I'm trying out something different," she said. "Hi, Mom! Got a minute?"
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
I think we can honestly tell her that we're not entirely sure why our soul is weird. Really, if anything, we should be asking her. She's the soul expert.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Happy hell-page!
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
There's our Witch and ourselves sharing a name, though that's only supporting evidence if we share the tibdit about reading Witch names.
I just assumed Riona would be able to, but now I'm not so sure.
[X] Clarfiy: You can help.
[X] But first, ask Riona to explain 'Soul Stealing' and 'Making an example of...'.
-[X] Get details.
--[X] If it's all humane and clean, proceed.
--[X] If not, while you can't fault her actions past... Get Riona to agree with doing better.
---[X] If necessary, explain your work and hopes to improve the system.
---[X] Offer to deal with the awful cases, if she forwards them to you.
---[X] If there's no agreement, break to voting.
[X] Share your theory of being created by magic; your will to go out and help others in need and the suspicious coincidences in which you find yourself in the right spot to help those in need.
-[X] Ask what Riona's powers see in you.
[X] Talk about cleansing.
-[X] Clear Seeds: A stopgap measure.
--[X] Explain capabilities, show Hildegarde and Aurora.
--[X] Ask Riona for her opinion.
---[X] Share your observations, explain 'happy magic'.
--[X] Explain the need for a more moral solution... and your hopes for de-Witching. You're hoping she could help with that.
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mCooperative
meanderingCephalopod
- Location
- Back in Mitakihara after like 1000 years.
And now the planning begins for page 6666.
Yeahh... I'mma support keeping the Witch names out of it for at least the moment. As our scare just a bit ago proved, it's something valuable for verification, and if anyone could get around us reading Witch names out of souls, a soulguca isn't the worst candidate. Not saying not trust Riona, but saying that being a bit more sure of her and her ability to be discrete would be something I'm in favor of.
Also,
[x] Onmur
I like the pacing and topics better than other present options.
blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
- Location
- Perth, Australia
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Page 5666? Bah, call me in 1000 pages. 
Also when we show her the clear seed I'm still of the opinion that we should mention dewitching as a possibility and talk about how we tried pumping in hope. Maybe I'm just missing it because I'm tired but none of the current votes seem to do that.
Also when we show her the clear seed I'm still of the opinion that we should mention dewitching as a possibility and talk about how we tried pumping in hope. Maybe I'm just missing it because I'm tired but none of the current votes seem to do that.
- Location
- Colorado
Yeah, I would rather get her help on de-witching than replacing grief seeds. Soul metamorphosis and how to reverse it sounds more like its something she can help with than creating enduring grief constructs/cleansing enchantments.Page 5666? Bah, call me in 1000 pages.
Also when we show her the clear seed I'm still of the opinion that we should mention dewitching as a possibility and talk about how we tried pumping in hope. Maybe I'm just missing it because I'm tired but none of the current votes seem to do that.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Go to sleep.Page 5666? Bah, call me in 1000 pages.
Also when we show her the clear seed I'm still of the opinion that we should mention dewitching as a possibility and talk about how we tried pumping in hope. Maybe I'm just missing it because I'm tired but none of the current votes seem to do that.
Lord Chungus
God of Nutella
- Location
- The Hague (it’s where all the cool people are)
[x] Onmur
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
[x] Onmur
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
My edit of Onmur's vote.
[X] Clarify: You can help.
[X] But first, ask Riona to explain 'Soul Stealing' and 'Making examples'.
-[X] Get details. You can't fault her actions past, but you'd like to make a world where it's possible to do better. Would she be willing to try?
// We don't actually have any, uh, authority over Rionna. At most, we can ask that she be willing to work with us so doing such things isn't necessary.
[X] Talk about Clear Seeds. Explain that you're distributing them to groups you trust, as a stopgap measure. Show Hildegarde and Aurora.
-[X] Share your observations, explain your procedures. Ask Riona for her professional opinion.
--[X] Explain the need for a more moral solution, and your hopes for, eventually, after much study, de-Witching. Ask for her help.
//My read of the last update is that having access to "infinite cleansing" is Rionna's primary purpose in coming here. As such, I think it should come first, before the "origins" explanation.
[X] If she brings it up again: Share your theory of being created by magic: The unusual state of your soul, and having personal amnesia... but significant knowledge of the magical girl system, enough to know to make your wish.
-[X] Ask what Riona's powers see in you.
// I'm not okay bringing up the "coincidences", partially because it's shaky evidence, and partially becuase I don't want to imply that our existence is an "active" magic effect - because that'll lead to Rionna trying to hunt down our "controller", and with soul magic, she might be able to trace it to Madoka. No go.
[X] Clarify: You can help.
[X] But first, ask Riona to explain 'Soul Stealing' and 'Making examples'.
-[X] Get details. You can't fault her actions past, but you'd like to make a world where it's possible to do better. Would she be willing to try?
// We don't actually have any, uh, authority over Rionna. At most, we can ask that she be willing to work with us so doing such things isn't necessary.
[X] Talk about Clear Seeds. Explain that you're distributing them to groups you trust, as a stopgap measure. Show Hildegarde and Aurora.
-[X] Share your observations, explain your procedures. Ask Riona for her professional opinion.
--[X] Explain the need for a more moral solution, and your hopes for, eventually, after much study, de-Witching. Ask for her help.
//My read of the last update is that having access to "infinite cleansing" is Rionna's primary purpose in coming here. As such, I think it should come first, before the "origins" explanation.
[X] If she brings it up again: Share your theory of being created by magic: The unusual state of your soul, and having personal amnesia... but significant knowledge of the magical girl system, enough to know to make your wish.
-[X] Ask what Riona's powers see in you.
// I'm not okay bringing up the "coincidences", partially because it's shaky evidence, and partially becuase I don't want to imply that our existence is an "active" magic effect - because that'll lead to Rionna trying to hunt down our "controller", and with soul magic, she might be able to trace it to Madoka. No go.
- Location
- USA, Midworld world line
Negotiation basics - the one asking is the weaker party. Rionna came here asking. Mind the gap.
I support we need to keep these top of our list:
### "Trust" is foreign to Rionna.
### The first thing she says, is the most important thing she thinks.
- And Rionna is assuming the same about US.
I think debating our relative humanity is wrong, and a digression. Talk about a wish origin is dangerous. If we must opine regarding our amnesia, stating that "It might be part of my Wish" is more like Kirika, and more normal.
Let me answer in terms of Rionna. -
In general, first things are most important things for her. (She must have gone through hell in an Irish community with verbal skills like that!)
So we talk about storing Grief with our powers first. It isn't as easy, but she will pay attention - there isn't anything else to take her attention away from it yet.
Then we can move on to de-witching. From the theory angle, things like how to move a soul, how to attach the soul, how to prepare a body, deal with memories, etc.
We can offer to hunt a witch with her, and demo everything we know. Actually, a good SCIENCE practice.
Only after do we go on about the Clear seed.
Because the Clear Seed is her signal to leave. Her bank gets made in one shot. Magic for life, and a good long one at that. Once she can have one, nobody might hear from her again.
Our way out of that is to demonstrate that the lonesome road isn't the only road.
Of course, this depends
- who is willing to post the model they have of Rionna as we know her right now?
I just did. She's self-centered, and has reverted a bit in maturity. She is rational, but not wise - there are a lot of things she isn't noticing. She has morality, just not the same as ours.
Our interview practice so far is terrible. We are letting the guest rampage unchecked all over the place. Without gaining more story from her, guessing in the mist is all we will ever do.
Open invite- Explain her to me better?
These are almost, but not quite, what we require to deal with Rionna?
I support we need to keep these top of our list:
### "Trust" is foreign to Rionna.
### The first thing she says, is the most important thing she thinks.
- And Rionna is assuming the same about US.
That's why my concept of truncating her question to "not sure why, but I'm a good person. Doing good things" We have proof.
I think debating our relative humanity is wrong, and a digression. Talk about a wish origin is dangerous. If we must opine regarding our amnesia, stating that "It might be part of my Wish" is more like Kirika, and more normal.
Both are big ticket. Why would we put Grief capacitors up front? Because we need them first! Those will let us collect all the Seeds. AuraTwilight seems to imply to me that we may even have the path to de-witch, just not the power to walk it. Not sure myself.
Let me answer in terms of Rionna. -
In general, first things are most important things for her. (She must have gone through hell in an Irish community with verbal skills like that!)
So we talk about storing Grief with our powers first. It isn't as easy, but she will pay attention - there isn't anything else to take her attention away from it yet.
Then we can move on to de-witching. From the theory angle, things like how to move a soul, how to attach the soul, how to prepare a body, deal with memories, etc.
We can offer to hunt a witch with her, and demo everything we know. Actually, a good SCIENCE practice.
Only after do we go on about the Clear seed.
Because the Clear Seed is her signal to leave. Her bank gets made in one shot. Magic for life, and a good long one at that. Once she can have one, nobody might hear from her again.
Our way out of that is to demonstrate that the lonesome road isn't the only road.
Of course, this depends
- who is willing to post the model they have of Rionna as we know her right now?
I just did. She's self-centered, and has reverted a bit in maturity. She is rational, but not wise - there are a lot of things she isn't noticing. She has morality, just not the same as ours.
Our interview practice so far is terrible. We are letting the guest rampage unchecked all over the place. Without gaining more story from her, guessing in the mist is all we will ever do.
Open invite- Explain her to me better?
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