The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Well, of course. The person who most wanted to kill Oriko is Oriko.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Homura somewhat disagrees with you. She's a good runner-up, you have to admit.
Point Insertion pt. 21
You eye Rionna for a moment, looking past her to the hazy walls of the privacy bubble. Mami's still outside, and you tighten the Grief around her shoulders for a second. She relaxes a little, and you can feel her smile as she pats the Grief gently.
You swallow a brief bubble of panic as you remember: Nephthys is Hijiri's Witch name. The implications are horrific and endless, but-
No, Rionna's Witch name is Irkalla. It's always been Irkalla, you're not sure why you thought it was Nephthys. Thankfully it was only a brief moment of panic. She doesn't even seem to have noticed.
But then...
Deserved, she says.
"OK, you know what?" you say, sitting up straight in your chair and holding up both hands. "No, I can't leave it at that. What do you mean with the Soul stealing and making examples thing? I'm... I can't fault your actions past, but I'd like to know."
"Judge all y' want," Rionna says, shrugging. She caps her flask and sets it aside. "What's done is done is done. I can take Souls. Magical girl, normal people. Leaves 'em brain-dead, and..." She straightens and holds a hand out to the side, as if to take someone's hand.
Nothing happens.
"So your field blocks my magic out, too," she says, frowning. She looks faintly disturbed.
Well that's good, because that makes two of you.
Eeesh.
Eeesh.
"I control their Souls as shades, allowing me to use their powers," she says, and smiles, razor sharp and satisfied. "Don't worry, I only do it to those who would deserve it. As for makin' examples... there's a shade or two here and there who're obliged to give warnings, now and always."
She lobotomizes people -or worse- and uses their Souls as puppets. As slaves.
You want to work with her. Heck, she's even reasonable for the most part, if lacking in social graces. But this... You had thought you could let it slide. Ask her to do better in the future, offer her an alternative and ask her to work with you towards de-Witching.
But this...
"... are they aware?" you ask, swallowing revulsion.
"I'unno," Rionna says with a shrug. "They can think and problemsolve, suchlike. But not really aware. 's more like they're asleep and sleep-walking under my control."
She gives you a look. Your expression is neutral - you know it is, but perhaps she gleans something from that anyway.
"Ach," she says, waving a careless hand at you. "Don't worry about it. It's not good people I do it to. Most of them are already murderers by the time I get to 'em, so they are. Last one had her and her posse livin' high on the backs of a good couple score Witches and all."
[] How do you react?
- [] Continue vote in abeyance: Stay neutral, don't judge her. Give your spiel.
- [] Disagree with her actions
-- [] How?
[] Write-in (word count limit: 150 words)
OoC retcon of Nephthys to Irkalla for Rionna's Witch name. I made a mistake and forgot I'd already used it, so move along, nothing to see here.
Also, I'm cutting this update extra short this time in case you want to react to this. I will try to update quicker, but I anticipate being pretty busy in the lab the next few days, so we'll see.
You swallow a brief bubble of panic as you remember: Nephthys is Hijiri's Witch name. The implications are horrific and endless, but-
No, Rionna's Witch name is Irkalla. It's always been Irkalla, you're not sure why you thought it was Nephthys. Thankfully it was only a brief moment of panic. She doesn't even seem to have noticed.
But then...
Deserved, she says.
"OK, you know what?" you say, sitting up straight in your chair and holding up both hands. "No, I can't leave it at that. What do you mean with the Soul stealing and making examples thing? I'm... I can't fault your actions past, but I'd like to know."
"Judge all y' want," Rionna says, shrugging. She caps her flask and sets it aside. "What's done is done is done. I can take Souls. Magical girl, normal people. Leaves 'em brain-dead, and..." She straightens and holds a hand out to the side, as if to take someone's hand.
Nothing happens.
"So your field blocks my magic out, too," she says, frowning. She looks faintly disturbed.
Well that's good, because that makes two of you.
Eeesh.
Eeesh.
"I control their Souls as shades, allowing me to use their powers," she says, and smiles, razor sharp and satisfied. "Don't worry, I only do it to those who would deserve it. As for makin' examples... there's a shade or two here and there who're obliged to give warnings, now and always."
She lobotomizes people -or worse- and uses their Souls as puppets. As slaves.
You want to work with her. Heck, she's even reasonable for the most part, if lacking in social graces. But this... You had thought you could let it slide. Ask her to do better in the future, offer her an alternative and ask her to work with you towards de-Witching.
But this...
"... are they aware?" you ask, swallowing revulsion.
"I'unno," Rionna says with a shrug. "They can think and problemsolve, suchlike. But not really aware. 's more like they're asleep and sleep-walking under my control."
She gives you a look. Your expression is neutral - you know it is, but perhaps she gleans something from that anyway.
"Ach," she says, waving a careless hand at you. "Don't worry about it. It's not good people I do it to. Most of them are already murderers by the time I get to 'em, so they are. Last one had her and her posse livin' high on the backs of a good couple score Witches and all."
[] How do you react?
- [] Continue vote in abeyance: Stay neutral, don't judge her. Give your spiel.
- [] Disagree with her actions
-- [] How?
[] Write-in (word count limit: 150 words)
[X] Talk about Clear Seeds. Explain that you're distributing them to groups you trust, as a stopgap measure. Show Hildegarde and Aurora.
-[X] Share your observations, explain your procedures. Ask Riona for her professional opinion.
--[X] Explain the need for a more moral solution, and your hopes for, eventually, after much study, de-Witching. Ask for her help.
[X] If she brings it up again: Share your theory of being created by magic: The unusual state of your soul, and having personal amnesia... but significant knowledge of the magical girl system, enough to know to make your wish.
-[X] Ask what Riona's powers see in you.
-[X] Share your observations, explain your procedures. Ask Riona for her professional opinion.
--[X] Explain the need for a more moral solution, and your hopes for, eventually, after much study, de-Witching. Ask for her help.
[X] If she brings it up again: Share your theory of being created by magic: The unusual state of your soul, and having personal amnesia... but significant knowledge of the magical girl system, enough to know to make your wish.
-[X] Ask what Riona's powers see in you.
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OoC retcon of Nephthys to Irkalla for Rionna's Witch name. I made a mistake and forgot I'd already used it, so move along, nothing to see here.
Also, I'm cutting this update extra short this time in case you want to react to this. I will try to update quicker, but I anticipate being pretty busy in the lab the next few days, so we'll see.
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- florida
Welp.
That's a relief. Kind of.
Also she's taking the "souls wtf man" thing pretty well.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Staff Notice: Remain civil.
The privacy field cut off her power because the souls she's messed with need to perceive her interacting with them.
She has lobotomite souls as brainbroken minions.
What the fuck.
What the fuck sort of wish gives that as a power?
What the fuck sort of person is A-OK with this?
(In before the answer is made: the scumbags in this thread.)
She has lobotomite souls as brainbroken minions.
What the fuck.
What the fuck sort of wish gives that as a power?
What the fuck sort of person is A-OK with this?
(In before the answer is made: the scumbags in this thread.)
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
"You steal girl's souls and make them your slaves!"
"Perhaps the same could be said of all religions."
"Your words are as empty as your soul! Puella ill need a savior such as you!"
"What is a guca? [tosses her cider flask aside] A miserable little pile of grief! But enough talk! Have at you!"
"Perhaps the same could be said of all religions."
"Your words are as empty as your soul! Puella ill need a savior such as you!"
"What is a guca? [tosses her cider flask aside] A miserable little pile of grief! But enough talk! Have at you!"
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Better than Witchification. Rionna is Mortal. Presumably all the shades go free when she dies(Edit: Realized this isn't the case). And if they're sleepwalking they aren't really suffering. She also restricts her target selection. What she does is unsettling but on an ethical scale not worthy of serious concern. Mid-tier or minor concern maybe, but not serious.
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I guess this explains why her witch is named after the queen of the underworld.
And in case it needs to be said, it's not okay for Rionna to trap people's souls forever, whatever they did in life.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Okay, that's pretty fucking ghastly.
But... Is Rionna redeemable?
Our options, as I see them, are:
• Try to redeem her through social interactions while working with us, and have her do some good while she's at it. (The Oriko option.)
• Take her out of play. Gem her, or, given that as a soulguca that might not be sufficient, kill her.
Leaving her to keep doing what she's doing isn't acceptable, especially given that given her stated goals of getting freedom from grief, she's going to want to claim a Clear Seed.
But... Is Rionna redeemable?
Our options, as I see them, are:
• Try to redeem her through social interactions while working with us, and have her do some good while she's at it. (The Oriko option.)
• Take her out of play. Gem her, or, given that as a soulguca that might not be sufficient, kill her.
Leaving her to keep doing what she's doing isn't acceptable, especially given that given her stated goals of getting freedom from grief, she's going to want to claim a Clear Seed.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[]Nothing merits eternal punishment. It breaks utilitarian justice. Doing it to a single person and doing it to the entire universe are equivalent. As much as I would love to have your skills with me from a research standpoint. Every soul under your dominion goes free upon your death if you want my help. No. Exceptions.
-[]One of my research holy grails is dewitchification. What you do is still better than witchification. The other is finding a means of replicating my power on a large enough scale to make grief seeds obsolete. Would you like to join me?
-[]One of my research holy grails is dewitchification. What you do is still better than witchification. The other is finding a means of replicating my power on a large enough scale to make grief seeds obsolete. Would you like to join me?
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Tam Lin
The Evolution QM
[] Continue vote in abeyance: Stay neutral, don't judge her. Give your spiel.
Tentative vote until someone posts a better one.
Tbf, meguca magic doesn't have ontological inertia and meguca lifespan tends to be pretty short.
I'm in support of social-ing her.
Tentative vote until someone posts a better one.
Tbf, meguca magic doesn't have ontological inertia and meguca lifespan tends to be pretty short.
I'm in support of social-ing her.
Diomedea
A piece of the continent
- Location
- The interblag
- Pronouns
- She/Her
We have a least decent reason to suspect that her target selection is not as discriminate as she's portraying it, considering she likely desouled an uncontracted Sayaka in one possible future (to gain information? Sayaka secretly an angel? Feathers mislead her is the most charitable...).
More pressingly, what's the best path for her to release the souls she has trapped permanently, and not use her power in the future? We could call Homura in, but Rionna's power is such that we can't risk merely gemming her. If she learned to still use her power gemmed, well, it's just too risky.
So, it's down to if we should try to work with her and make sure she never has a reason to actively use her power again, with the aim of changing world conditions to convince her to release the souls she's captured for the sake of rescuing the girls currently trapped as witches, or kill her to free the souls she's currently enslaved and prevent future uses of her power.
I think as circumstances are, we're not in a position to kill her (we need more information on souls for dewitching) and I think stringing her along to get that information for our dewitching efforts while planning on killing her shortly afterwards is worse than aiming to convince her to not to use her powers as a weapon ever again (fastest sell would be the practical effects on diplomacy. Her own blunt nature would help for us to convince her to stay away from "the front lines" so to speak, since she's hilariously undiplomatic), not to mention stupidly dangerous.
tl;dr Short term concessions should be keeping her off the frontline and a promise to not desoul people, with a long term aim of proving Sabrina has changed conditions enough that holding onto her shades in unnecessary.
More pressingly, what's the best path for her to release the souls she has trapped permanently, and not use her power in the future? We could call Homura in, but Rionna's power is such that we can't risk merely gemming her. If she learned to still use her power gemmed, well, it's just too risky.
So, it's down to if we should try to work with her and make sure she never has a reason to actively use her power again, with the aim of changing world conditions to convince her to release the souls she's captured for the sake of rescuing the girls currently trapped as witches, or kill her to free the souls she's currently enslaved and prevent future uses of her power.
I think as circumstances are, we're not in a position to kill her (we need more information on souls for dewitching) and I think stringing her along to get that information for our dewitching efforts while planning on killing her shortly afterwards is worse than aiming to convince her to not to use her powers as a weapon ever again (fastest sell would be the practical effects on diplomacy. Her own blunt nature would help for us to convince her to stay away from "the front lines" so to speak, since she's hilariously undiplomatic), not to mention stupidly dangerous.
tl;dr Short term concessions should be keeping her off the frontline and a promise to not desoul people, with a long term aim of proving Sabrina has changed conditions enough that holding onto her shades in unnecessary.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
If they aren't aware then Rionna's punishment is no more 'eternal' than the death penalty, which is not only still a thing today but is a thing that we in this thread have considered using, even if only as an absolute last resort.
You're treating it as an 'and I must scream' scenario for the shades whereas I feel like it's more like putting them all in comas, little different from say... Gemming them on a permanent basis.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Alright, monthly reminder: there is no justice in Meguca system. None. Zero. Nada. Нуль. You get it.
We can judge her from our moral standards and decide upon appropriation of such punishment n the first place.
What we can't do is proclaiming "THIS IS NOT OKAY" in capital letters and going Old Testament on her ass. We are not a God. Even if we are Madokami's actual big "A" Apostle, I don't think we actually have the authority.
However, as people have realized with time and a lot of trial and error, there also exists a way to regulate human behavior not dependent upon divine authority.
Civil authority, or authority of the people, the people in question being Megucas. There are very many problems with that, Megucas being who they are, specifically prepubescent teenage girls who don't have much in the way of experience or cool-headedness in their majority.
But I feel that saying attributed to Churchill about democracy being the worst type of government conceived by humanity, but is still better than anything else, applies here as well.
TL;DR: Do not judge her. We cannot in good conscience do that without a legal apparatus. If we wish her to stop, and I do, don't misunderstand me, ask her to stop and provide reasons and incentives to follow your recommendation.
P.S. "Whacking you on your head if you don't" is a reason, I guess, but I'm not really sure it will be sufficient.
We can judge her from our moral standards and decide upon appropriation of such punishment n the first place.
What we can't do is proclaiming "THIS IS NOT OKAY" in capital letters and going Old Testament on her ass. We are not a God. Even if we are Madokami's actual big "A" Apostle, I don't think we actually have the authority.
However, as people have realized with time and a lot of trial and error, there also exists a way to regulate human behavior not dependent upon divine authority.
Civil authority, or authority of the people, the people in question being Megucas. There are very many problems with that, Megucas being who they are, specifically prepubescent teenage girls who don't have much in the way of experience or cool-headedness in their majority.
But I feel that saying attributed to Churchill about democracy being the worst type of government conceived by humanity, but is still better than anything else, applies here as well.
TL;DR: Do not judge her. We cannot in good conscience do that without a legal apparatus. If we wish her to stop, and I do, don't misunderstand me, ask her to stop and provide reasons and incentives to follow your recommendation.
P.S. "Whacking you on your head if you don't" is a reason, I guess, but I'm not really sure it will be sufficient.
Define "redeemed". We don't need her to feel deep regret about her actions, we just need her to stop. People have offered us more for infinite cleansing.
Lots of magic has ontological inertia, like healing, for example, and "now and forever" doesn't sound like she needs to actively maintain the binding.
What a blatant load of crap this is. They can think and solve problems and obey instructions but they're not conscious? Bullshit.
Gadjo
Doka
[x] You can't ignore this.
-[x] Snatch her gem- with spikes, blades, whatever you have to- you may not get a second chance- and move it at the fastest possible speed to rock her without straight up killing someone else with it.
--[x] Trap her. Keep her in the privacy field if possible and away from you and Mami.
---[x] Telepathy Homura- you need a timestop pickup, now- if she's fast enough, it may save you if things go wrong.
-[x] Snatch her gem- with spikes, blades, whatever you have to- you may not get a second chance- and move it at the fastest possible speed to rock her without straight up killing someone else with it.
--[x] Trap her. Keep her in the privacy field if possible and away from you and Mami.
---[x] Telepathy Homura- you need a timestop pickup, now- if she's fast enough, it may save you if things go wrong.
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OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
While these are human souls, ever read Blindsight? Scramblers can think and problemsolve but aren't conscious.
Skelm's point suggests my angle stands.
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
Have you ever used a computer?