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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
[x] Onmur
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Streamlining and, since she wants to know what we can do, adding a comment about our effectiveness against Witches in particular:
[X] Spar.
-[X] Warn Mami and Homura.
-[X] Agree.
--[X] Clarify rules/expectations.
--[X] Go all out barring Gem targetting, dismemberment, and collateral damage (except for anything she uses to attack).
--[X] If it turns too complicated, gemsnatch, or even forfeit.
-[X] Comment about Dissoluzione Bianca.
[X] Defense pact.
-[X] You like it, but you'll have to consult with everyone first.
-[X] Explain your expectations and ask for theirs.
--[X] You're out to help all Magical Girls, after all. On that note: Offer help in making peace with other groups.
-[X] Confer with Mami, Homura, Sayaka, Oriko and Kirika.
[X] Agree to provide Anti Magic Enchantments.
[X] Vote in abeyance where it might be relevant.
[X] Spar.
-[X] Warn Mami and Homura.
-[X] Agree.
--[X] Clarify rules/expectations.
--[X] Go all out barring Gem targetting, dismemberment, and collateral damage (except for anything she uses to attack).
--[X] If it turns too complicated, gemsnatch, or even forfeit.
-[X] Comment about Dissoluzione Bianca.
[X] Defense pact.
-[X] You like it, but you'll have to consult with everyone first.
-[X] Explain your expectations and ask for theirs.
--[X] You're out to help all Magical Girls, after all. On that note: Offer help in making peace with other groups.
-[X] Confer with Mami, Homura, Sayaka, Oriko and Kirika.
[X] Agree to provide Anti Magic Enchantments.
[X] Vote in abeyance where it might be relevant.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Why are you bringing this up specifically as an option? All we've seen so far is matter rearrangement, which is perfectly adequate for giving invaders a bad time without making her a literal god. Surely if she could do spatial warping like that we wouldn't have had to climb all those stairs, or the building would be noticeably bigger on the inside, or something?
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
That's certainly what I'm thinking, but everyone else seems to have an unshakable belief that we've already lost. At this point I'm wondering if her power is to reach through the screen and make people scared of her.
Explicitly revealing the assumptions that lead to the claim that we'd "lose instantly" let her give us feedback on whether those assumptions are valid, which in turn is necessary for this to be safe and effective. It is just as bad for her to overreact to us as it is for us to overreact to her.
We have healers and this cripples us.
Not useful. Witches are barely roadbumps at the power levels we're operating at. This has the same problem as telling her that we'd "lose instantly", albeit in the opposite direction - yes, you have a perfect score against witches, so does everyone on my team, now how far past that are you?
Hitomi needs to be involved, since she's our interface with her parents and the rest of the mundane economy.
I think that excluding Madoka from things like this is a bad idea. There's a reason we invited her with us when we went to talk to Nadia. Even with the misstep I think that that effort was successful.
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
That's where I think the miscommunication is coming from. I don't think we've "already lost" the fight in this building, because I don't think there's going to be a fight in this building.
Or if there is, it'll be in a dedicated sparring area / holodeck / danger room where she, too, will be holding back and probing us.
My belief that she can probably take us in a serious fight in this specific circumstance does not imply that I think we can't win a spar.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Then vote that way! Votes are a very bad place to voice your frustration!
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
She wants to test us, knowing that we can 3v1 her heavy hitters in the middle of a war with enough left over to fight nonlethally and lecture them about collateral damage afterward, in the context that we're discussing a mutual defense treaty where our ask is fighting Walpurgisnacht. Whatever threat it is she wants us to smash for her, it's on Mami's or Walpy's level, and she's going to be pushing us hard to get an idea of whether we can deal with it. I just don't see any point for her to spar with us at any intensity on the same order of magnitude as the fights Sabrina has been in to date.
I don't expect her to pull out all of her best tricks, but she only needs to demonstrate one of them to bring the spar to the levels I've been talking about.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I think that's fine. If we can't win a spar without horrifying harm (for most people at least), let's just not win?
Uh... I'm not sure about pulling Hitomi on this call... wouldn't she be out of her depth?
Always Happening
We could have prevented this.
- Location
- On a train with no brakes
The text posted earlier seems to imply that forming a blank/shell Barrier only takes a couple of moments; if necessary, it's a viable way to flip the script on Yuki's terrain advantage and a quasi-teleport that lets us take the fight outside. F E A T H E R S only seems to strike when we take the (vastly longer) concentration time to actually populate the Barrier, which isn't necessary in this context.
How do you define horrifying harm, here? I rather suspect that fights like Mitakihara vs. The Kures and The Sendai Kerfuffle are a lot more common, than, say, Kyouko vs. Sayaka in the anime, on account of the fact that Kyouko was largely fucking around with her. Considering our reputation, I'm inclined to agree with Vebyast here; Yuki already knows we're hitting on a scale that pretty much precludes fucking about, and she'd think less of us if we did. She's a stone cold mercenary commander, and she both deserves and expects us to take her seriously and not pull punches.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Then we tell her we can mulch her head any time we wish to as long as she's in our range and forfeit if she gets offended we're not taking her 'seriously'.
Dismembering is messy and unnecessary, not to mention painful.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Do we normally keep our fog from entering people's lungs? We could win that way if we seriously needed to make a point. The nose is always open unless an MG is willing to wear a magic gas mask or sacrifice a hand.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
This isn't a fun spar, it's a "take our measure" spar. You're voting for our measure to be "squeamish and therefore mostly useless if she can't hide in her fort".
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[X] Spar.
-[X] Warn Mami and Homura.
-[X] Agree.
--[X] Clarify rules/expectations/escalation. We'll try to not destroy anything she brings to bear?
--[X] Go all out barring Gem targetting, dismemberment, and collateral damage (except for anything she uses to attack).
--[X] If it turns too complicated, gemsnatch, or even forfeit.
[X] Defense pact.
-[X] You like it, but you'll have to consult with everyone first.
-[X] Explain your expectations and ask for theirs.
--[X] You're out to help all Magical Girls, after all. On that note: Offer help in making peace with other groups.
-[X] Comment about Dissoluzione Bianca.
-[X] Confer with Mami, Homura, Sayaka, Oriko and Kirika.
[X] Agree to provide Anti Magic Enchantments.
[X] Vote in abeyance where it might be relevant.
A spar is a spar. If dismemberment and such is on the table we could just vote for use Grief Fog to behead and completely delimb Yuki 0.1 seconds after the spar starts. Otherwise we're just playing with her, anyway.
My point is that is a spar, not a fight. Causing unnecessary pain or destruction would be just impolite.
-[X] Warn Mami and Homura.
-[X] Agree.
--[X] Clarify rules/expectations/escalation. We'll try to not destroy anything she brings to bear?
--[X] Go all out barring Gem targetting, dismemberment, and collateral damage (except for anything she uses to attack).
--[X] If it turns too complicated, gemsnatch, or even forfeit.
[X] Defense pact.
-[X] You like it, but you'll have to consult with everyone first.
-[X] Explain your expectations and ask for theirs.
--[X] You're out to help all Magical Girls, after all. On that note: Offer help in making peace with other groups.
-[X] Comment about Dissoluzione Bianca.
-[X] Confer with Mami, Homura, Sayaka, Oriko and Kirika.
[X] Agree to provide Anti Magic Enchantments.
[X] Vote in abeyance where it might be relevant.
Not really. Yuki already knows we will hack limbs and steal Gems if necessary, and that we will completely ignore injuries during combat, too. She knows what Moe, Atsuko and Sasami know.
A spar is a spar. If dismemberment and such is on the table we could just vote for use Grief Fog to behead and completely delimb Yuki 0.1 seconds after the spar starts. Otherwise we're just playing with her, anyway.
My point is that is a spar, not a fight. Causing unnecessary pain or destruction would be just impolite.
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Hey, here's a thought. Let's find out how hardcore she intends to take this before we decide to go full Dr. Manhattan on everybody. And let's not risk leveling several city blocks and irradiating the area for the sake of winning a pissing contest.
For that matter, maybe we shouldn't reveal all of our best tricks to somebody we just met, and keep the really good stuff to ourselves until we actually need them?
For that matter, maybe we shouldn't reveal all of our best tricks to somebody we just met, and keep the really good stuff to ourselves until we actually need them?
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I've badly miscommunicated if you think that's not what I'm expecting to do.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Meguca A: [Talking]... Erm. What is that?
Sabrina: [muffled] "Issa asmas"
Meguca A: "What?"
Sabrina: [removing gas mask] "It's a gas mask."
Meguca A: "... Why?"
Sabrina: [muffled] "or e as."
Meguca A: [thud]
Romka
Master of Stealth
- Location
- In a barrel
Lets remember that shes a highly experienced mercenary. She already knows how meguca fights tend to turn out, and I really doubt she cares about things that would cripple normal humans. The point of this spar is to gauge our level of ability, so we shouldn't hold back. She already has some idea of how powerful we are based on Sendai, so she knows what shes getting into. Even if we turn out to be even stronger than expected and win easily, that just makes the mutual defense pact more attractive.
We should avoid de gemming and collateral damage, otherwise anything goes.
Holding back could also be considered impolite. If we're really so worried about causing needless harm, then we can just add something like
[] Dont go all out immediately, escalate as necessary.
We should avoid de gemming and collateral damage, otherwise anything goes.
Holding back could also be considered impolite. If we're really so worried about causing needless harm, then we can just add something like
[] Dont go all out immediately, escalate as necessary.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
OK, there's this:
If Yuki wants us to hack away her arms, she can tell us to do so. It'd be so edgy, too.
There is really no point in going for delimbing, and if Yuki thinks that dumb/insulting, we should just pat her head and tell her she'll understand once she grows up (use Grief Fog to counter the knife to the gut).
Considering our powerset, it's far easier to just grab Yuki whole with out Grief Fog and tell her we won. We have literally held people in place with our Grief before.
I said:
If Yuki wants us to hack away her arms, she can tell us to do so. It'd be so edgy, too.
There is really no point in going for delimbing, and if Yuki thinks that dumb/insulting, we should just pat her head and tell her she'll understand once she grows up (use Grief Fog to counter the knife to the gut).
Considering our powerset, it's far easier to just grab Yuki whole with out Grief Fog and tell her we won. We have literally held people in place with our Grief before.
If the answer is yes that makes trying it with a clear seed the second possible immediate solution to dewitching that we might already have. We really need to get it together.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
And then we get punched by the wall. Do you think we'd accept a loss if she grabbed us with concrete and said that she won?
You're voting for us to turn that down. You can't say that that line is about dismemberment when another part of your vote specifically says no dismemberment.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Attack angle idea. Form a soundproof block of solid grief around her head. Establishes immobilization, sensory deprivation unless she can see through her building, and the threat of grievous head injury and/or asphyxiation and/or organ damage.
On another note, we should work on grief eyes and ears incase we ever get decapitated.
On another note, we should work on grief eyes and ears incase we ever get decapitated.
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Well, that only works under certain circumstances. I vote, therefore, that we name this attack "It's over, Anakin!"
Why not?
Speaking of, we definitely need to get on that. Maybe actually encountering someone who can do it will give us the push we need to actually start putting research points into it
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