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Raiseth said:
Yeah, exactly. Please do not concentrate crazy in one place.

Well, Akiko might sympathize with a poor girl... or she'd decide to make her the first soldier in her fight for the glorious, Sabrina-free new regime.
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... You realize that I'm not talking about having Akiko watch over Anri?

I'm talking about the fact that, if anyone we know is in contact with witchbombed gucas, it's Akiko.

... Or possibly Homura, come to think of it. Though her particular knowledge on the matter is likely somewhat unreliable, given the inherent timey wiminess of it.
 
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The Phoenixian said:
... You realize that I'm not talking about having Akiko watch over Anri?

I'm talking about the fact that, if anyone we know is in contact with witchbombed guca, it's Akiko.

... Or possibly Homura, come to think of it. Though her particular knowledge on the matter is likely somewhat unreliable, given the inherent timey wiminess of it.
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Ah. Ah.

Sorry, misunderstood.
 
The update itself brings up the issues with the Pleiades or the Kures containing Anri, and I am stringently against keeping her captive ourselves. Anri is a walking witchbomb and I don't want to keep her near Mami long-term. That leaves Homura (except she's busy and we already lean on her so much) or mercenaries (Great idea! Thank you, Oriko!).

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... Ask Nadia if she knows of a suitable group to imprison someone in return for cake/cleansing/hugs?
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I had this thought too. Nadia is by leagues the most well-connected meguca we know. If we can confirm that Nadia herself is witchbombed (she surely must be — but I wouldn't want to assume), then we can definitely ask her for other witchbombed girls in the area we might hire. We could also ask Homura about this.
 
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These are teenage girls and they probably have not given much consideration to the ethical keeping and care of prisoners.

Hell even of the protagonists of PMMM the only ones I'd trust with a prisoner are Mami and Madoka.

Homura - would probably tie her to a chair.
Kyouko - would needlessly antagonize a captive.
Sayaka - would probably take the wrong cues from cop shows.
Mami - is an experienced magical girl with a power relating to restraint and a personality dedicated to being an elegant hostess.
Madoka - is nice to everyone even people who have been hostile to her and her friends. However she has no powers to restrain a human with the limits turned off.
Hitomi - I don't know much about her and she also has no powers to restrain a human with the limits turned off.

And that's even without considering that most would be unwilling to keep a prisoner in the first place.

And no I don't think mercenaries, even if they might be more professional about captives, would be any more ethical than the protagonists. Most likely any willing to take the job would follow Homura's lead and add a gag to the restraints when they are not feeding her.

However Anri has not promised us anything more than to delay her grudge against the Pleiades until her friend has been restored to life, so she's not joining the Mamigold Hotel kickstarters.

There is one option of people who are trained, willing, and have the transparency to ensure they are ethical ahout holding Anri -- the Japanese juvenile justice system, ie. the police.
 
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Matou Sutegobana said:
There is one option of people who are trained, willing, and have the transparency to ensure they are ethical ahout holding Anri -- the Japanese juvenile justice system, ie. the police.
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How are we gonna justify it to them?
Actually there is like a fuckton of legal problems with that suggestion, so I don't even know where to start.

Oh, and there's Kyubei, who can help Airi escape. He has no restrictions against memory-wiping muggles, after all.
 
Anri gassed a building and took a man hostage, it shouldn't take too much police work to link her to those crimes.
Adhoc vote count started by Firnagzen on Jan 23, 2018 at 6:36 AM, finished with 131858 posts and 2 votes.
  • [X] Talk about Anri:
    -[X] We'll ask Nadia for help.
    -[X] How tight a leash do we need on Anri?
    -[X] Can we join the talk with Anri?
    -[X] Terms for Anri:
    --[X] Non-hostility.
    --[X] Absolutely no Witching meguca.
    --[X] Staying at Mitakihara.
    --[X] Anti-Magic.
    [X] Oriko:
    -[X] Emphasize the good she's doing.
    -[X] Ask her if she'd fulfil this role in the team.
    -[X] Be friends.
    [X] Leave Privacy Sphere.
    [X] Telepathy Nadia, include Oriko:
    -[X] Confirm we'll be there.
    -[X] Ask for help. Briefly explain the Anri problem:
    --[X] Ask to talk in private later, face-to-face.
    --[X] Ask about meguca PR regarding how we deal with Anri.
    [X] Pleiades.
    -[X] Results RE: Tracking Hijiri?
    -[X] Consult about developing security measures.
    -[X] Give back the Privacy Device.
    -[X] Clear and 'return' the Derrick Witch Seed.
    [X] Telepathy Homura Update, ask advice
    [X] Oriko - We need to get deep into Anri's motives. Have her talk about-
    -[X] Her wish, exact words, intent
    --[X] Honest intent!
    -[X] Anri's mundane life post-wish
    -[X] Self-image
    -[X] The story of Yuuri - tell us all about her
    -[X] Favorite food
    -[X] Favorite place, and that memory
    -[X] Mundane life pre-wish - get details - we need this
    -[X] Whole history with Kyuubey - BTW, it put Anri in this position, it KNOWS all of us. It knew Anri would get killed.
    -[X] What does she think will happen in her future?
    --[X] If pressure is needed - Ask What would Yuuri do?
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redzonejoe said:
Hmm. Wonder how staying in Asunaro would effect Oriko's prophecy of her own doom.
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That would be really, really bad, actually. Oriko prophesized her death as being most likely when Sabrina wasn't around to protect her.

Oriko living near Sabrina allows Sabrina to better protect her and watch over her well-being.

Plus, I really hate the idea of bestbuddy living in a different city. And Oriko, too, for that matter. I've grown really fond of her.
 
Okay, I might not be rational about the whole idea. Just... if anyone has anything against it and has a background in Law, they can argue with you.
For me, the very idea is badwrongawfulterriblecomeon
So yeah, sorry, gonna pass on that one.
 
Matou Sutegobana said:
Anri gassed a building and took a man hostage, it shouldn't take too much police work to link her to those crimes.
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What gas? You mean the carbon monoxide leak that even now is likely being set up as an accident?

I doubt the police will take the word of a pack of 8th grader syndrome sufferers over their own chemical evidence, even if it does line up with the carbon monoxide induced hallucinations of one man. (Assuming he wasn't simply memory wiped.)
 
Yeah, no. The mundane police cannot effectively contain a magical girl, and even if they could, then their lack of knowledge on the situation would likely lead the captive being deprived of cleanses.

It's an awful idea on just about every level.

At this point we probably need to discuss the situation as best we can with the Plieades and Homura to figure out our constraints on that front, and then go talk to Airi herself. Once we've done that, we can consider our options for containment.
 
So keeping Anri under watch is not a simple thing to arrange.

We should at the very least, consider not imprisoning Anri then.

Since her vendetta is against the Pleiades, and we are only honorary Pleiades, we could have her loose in Mitakihara... and it would, at least, be less dangerous than leaving her alone in Asunaro.

Furthermore, leaving Anri loose doesn't mean not imposing conditions, or not bringing in help.

We could hire someone, not to keep her imprisoned, but just to track her down if she tries to escape. Powerwise, someone like Nakano Mika would be great, though I doubt she would agree (though we can ask anyway!).

The obvious upside to this would be that Anri would be less resentful of us, and the obvious downside is the obvious downside.

Possible plan in this vein:

[ ] Anri:
-[ ] She lives at Mitakihara from now on. She gets her own apartment.
-[ ] She'll help with de-Witching Yuuri.
-[ ] She promises to not cause trouble. Guarantees:
--[ ] Anti-Magic Enchantment.
--[ ] Tracking enchantment.
--[ ] We'll hire someone to stay in Mitakihara and keep an eye on her.

And that's all. I guess you could see the whole of Mitakihara as Anri's prison, and whomever we hire as her warden... I now think this would have a better chance of working than actually imprisoning Anri.
 
Homu is probably gonna have problems with that. So yeah, talking with her is a must.
 
Onmur said:
So keeping Anri under watch is not a simple thing to arrange.

We should at the very least, consider not imprisoning Anri then.
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That kind of thing worked with Oriko, but Oriko is both far more reasonable than Airi, and has the very real threat of sudden murder from Homura to contend with if she breaks parole. I'm not at all convinced that we can contain Airi meaningfully that way, especially since keeping her on such a light leash means that it'd be trivial for Hijiri to team back up with her and their issues to feed on each other again.

There's the political optics to consider, too. Airi stole a Clear Seed. If we're seen as having gone very light on her by the community at large, that's going to invite lots of further abuses by unscrupulous types.
 
Yeah, no. The mundane police cannot effectively contain a magical girl, and even if they could, then their lack of knowledge on the situation would likely lead the captive being deprived of cleanses.
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We are already planning to block her magic. And we can cleanse her soul gem ourselves.

And at the very least police are a better option than mercenaries.
 
Matou Sutegobana said:
We are already planning to block her magic. And we can cleanse her soul gem ourselves.

And at the very least police are a better option than mercenaries.
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How? What could possibly make mundane police, who are entirely uninformed of the reality of the situation, better than a hired group of magical girls, presumably selected for the traits we want?
 
Redshirt Army said:
How? What could possibly make mundane police, who are entirely uninformed of the reality of the situation, better than a hired group of magical girls, presumably selected for the traits we want?
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Law Enforcement training and experience versus whoever we can find that's willing to unlawfully imprison a girl for cash, cleansings, or clear gems.
 
Redshirt Army said:
That kind of thing worked with Oriko, but Oriko is both far more reasonable than Airi, and has the very real threat of sudden murder from Homura to contend with if she breaks parole. I'm not at all convinced that we can contain Airi meaningfully that way, especially since keeping her on such a light leash means that it'd be trivial for Hijiri to team back up with her and their issues to feed on each other again.
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We have the prospect of de-Witching as incentive to make Anri cooperate, and she would have restrictions put on her O&K don't.

Not having magic limits her a lot, and if we do get a tracking enchant on her and someone to keep an eye on her (maybe living with her?), then the chances she can pull anything -at risk of Yuuri staying a Witch forever- are pretty low.

Hijiri is someone whose problems need to be solved before too long, anyway. I don't think going back and forth between Asunaro and Mitakihara would be trivial for her... and her (or anyone's) threat can be mitigated by more security measures, like more securitygucas.

There's the political optics to consider, too. Airi stole a Clear Seed. If we're seen as having gone very light on her by the community at large, that's going to invite lots of further abuses by unscrupulous types.
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This sounds extreme. We need to deal with teenagers, and for all her repressed guilt and craziness, Anri is a teenager, too. If we don't treat her in a way she feels fair, we'd be better off gemming her, since we'd be turning her permanently into an enemy.

We can explain the megucas how we're trying to solve the issue with Anri the best way we can, and they will like the fact we're out to help, not to punish, even if they do something wrong. That's good in that meguca would feel better with us taking decisions and actions involving them, as we're wont to do.

Any 'unscrupulous' types that try to abuse that need to be dealt with by dropping the hammer of god on them. Because they would be abusing the fact people are allowed to make mistakes. Someone, at some point is gonna pull shit, anyway; we just need to make sure the unscrupulouguca know where the line is drawn.


EDIT: Also, we're gonna have to do something about talking with Anri about gassing people and such.

[Q] Theraphystguca where are you
 
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Onmur said:
Any 'unscrupulous' types that try to abuse that need to be dealt with by dropping the hammer of god on them. Because they would be abusing the fact people are allowed to make mistakes. Someone, at some point is gonna pull shit, anyway; we just need to make sure the unscrupulouguca know where the line is drawn.
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Sure, but that not the impression we're going to be giving. "If breaking into an allied group and gassing a bunch of civilians isn't crossing the line, what is?" To be clear, I'm not discussing how harsh our actual treatment is, just the optics of it externally.
 
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