Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
There's a decent amount of evidence, actually, but yes, that's the date...unless things change this loop, I mean.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Thanks. I honestly don't remember.
I was a traumatized fifteen year old when I watched it.
My reactions were garnered in the spectrum of:
"What the actual FUCK.
This did not just happen, oh god, oh god.
You fucker, you told me it'd be like W. I. T. C. H. ! It was nothing like Witch! Why are you laughing?!
... All right, this was actually pretty cool."
Hmm, now that I think of it, the Heart of Kandrakar kinda resembles a Soul Ge... no, bad brain, stop with the nightmare fuel.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
They're still extremely neglectful, and you can have all the love in the world and still be hurting and fucking up your children on the reg because of your own shit.
Also, it's common for abused children to rationalize away their loved ones as being wonderful. Like, Kanna is not a reliable narrator, and we can and should at least look into it.
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- Auf dem Tisch
After all the talk of wanting to do SCIENCE with Niko, it's easy to forget she (and her sister) are ultimately precocious, possibly-abused idiots.
But by the same token, what did Yuuri freaking do to this girl?
Like, at a baseline, we can infer that both of them, owing to their literally identical upbringing, are fairly intelligent and inquisitive. So I can't imagine Hijiri's first reaction to an utter stranger telling her "HAY YOUR A CLONE XPARAMENT!" (paraphrased) would be anything but "Ha, pull the other one. Now git! Ah'm werkin' on sumfink hea!" (paraphrased).
How long has this been happening? What kind of evidence did Yuuri show? In what world does "I want to be left alone" translate to "I'm going to attack the other me who has literally never contacted or decided anything for me at all"?
... is this even Hijiri?
For that matter, I forget: do we have confirmation that Asuka Yuuri is dead?
But by the same token, what did Yuuri freaking do to this girl?
Like, at a baseline, we can infer that both of them, owing to their literally identical upbringing, are fairly intelligent and inquisitive. So I can't imagine Hijiri's first reaction to an utter stranger telling her "HAY YOUR A CLONE XPARAMENT!" (paraphrased) would be anything but "Ha, pull the other one. Now git! Ah'm werkin' on sumfink hea!" (paraphrased).
How long has this been happening? What kind of evidence did Yuuri show? In what world does "I want to be left alone" translate to "I'm going to attack the other me who has literally never contacted or decided anything for me at all"?
... is this even Hijiri?
For that matter, I forget: do we have confirmation that Asuka Yuuri is dead?
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- Location
- Your Native Universe
Well I mean, Kanna's original reaction to her origins was to essentially devote herself to making her original self suffer in a plan to lead to their death. And then she decided to extend her plan to the rest of the Pleiades when she saw all the shady shit they did. After that, she spiraled to extend her plan to the rest of the world and replace humans with clones.
When Kanna decides she doesn't like something, she really seems to go all in.
I can understand your point, but I'll disagree on the likelihood of them having abusive parents at the present.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
[x] Propose bringing Hijiri along. She has useful information.
-[x] Privately to allies: Plus it'll let you keep working on her.
[x] Get that conversation with Yuuri. Use the opportunity to therapy-ize Hijiri a bit.
-[x] Hijiri's choices have had the serious real-life consequence of damaging everyone's ability to trust her. Undoing that will require making different choices going forward.
-[x] Help her feel safer by expressing your desire to help everyone, including people that've made bad choices and interfered with other people's peaceful lives.
-[x] Give her an easy opportunity, let her help you help her: She can turn off the memory thing and help you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Ask the group to let you speak to Yuuri alone. She knows dangerous things and you don't want her to have everyone's brainmail address.
[x] Greet Yuuri cordially. Ask her how her day is going. Does she have any plans, by chance?
-[x] Privately to allies: Plus it'll let you keep working on her.
[x] Get that conversation with Yuuri. Use the opportunity to therapy-ize Hijiri a bit.
-[x] Hijiri's choices have had the serious real-life consequence of damaging everyone's ability to trust her. Undoing that will require making different choices going forward.
-[x] Help her feel safer by expressing your desire to help everyone, including people that've made bad choices and interfered with other people's peaceful lives.
-[x] Give her an easy opportunity, let her help you help her: She can turn off the memory thing and help you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Ask the group to let you speak to Yuuri alone. She knows dangerous things and you don't want her to have everyone's brainmail address.
[x] Greet Yuuri cordially. Ask her how her day is going. Does she have any plans, by chance?
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AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
[x] Vebyast
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
This is the part of that vote that I really want eyes on. My reasoning: First, honesty is a good policy. Second, I want to warn our allies that they should refuse communications from Yuuri for their own safety and because we're worried about them.
If we conclude that bringing up "dangerous information" is unacceptable, this is the best alternative I could come up with:
[] You don't want to scare Yuuri with numbers or Pleiades, so propose you talk to her alone and forward the conversation word-for-word so your allies can discuss.
I preferred honesty over this because, while it's safe for this conversation (easy enough to filter out anything problematic), it doesn't provide any safety going forward.
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Zeroth Jupi
Sporadic Writer and Haver of Ideas
- Location
- Somewhere
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- He/She/They
[x] Vebyast
Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
[X] Vebyast
I may be socially retarded for believing this, but I always feel that infohazards should be commonly warned against.
I may be socially retarded for believing this, but I always feel that infohazards should be commonly warned against.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
She can't turn off the Memory Device; she can give it back, however.
If we need it put away, we can have it wrapped in a paper cocoon and grab that with Grief, and carry it well away from everyone.
Unless Niko's got a better option.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
I think that they're mostly back under control. Niko may not be, but Kazumi is at least willing to focus on more important things right now. I'm figuring that the opening - "You have seriously damaged everyone's trust and you're going to have to work to fix it" - should keep them from feeling like we're being too lenient? I'm not really expecting them to blow up at us for giving Hijiri a "Help us and I'll do more to resolve all of this" speech. I'm also not sure where to put it, and I'm short on word count for my preferred speech about rehabilitative justice, game-theoretic collaboration problems and the race to the bottom, and utility maximization. I'd take suggestions for what else to say, though?
Ah, good catch, thanks.
[x] Propose bringing Hijiri along. She has useful information.
-[x] Privately to allies: Plus it'll let you keep working on her.
[x] Get that conversation with Yuuri. Use the opportunity to therapy-ize Hijiri a bit.
-[x] Hijiri's choices have had the serious real-life consequence of damaging everyone's ability to trust her. Undoing that will require making different choices going forward.
-[x] Help her feel safer by expressing your desire to help everyone, including people that've made bad choices and interfered with other people's peaceful lives.
-[x] Give her an easy opportunity, let her help you help her: She can let go of the memory thing and help you deal with Yuuri.
[x] Ask the group to let you speak to Yuuri alone. She knows dangerous things and you don't want her to have everyone's brainmail address.
[x] Greet Yuuri cordially. Ask her how her day is going. Does she have any plans, by chance?
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
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- She/Her
Alright, I'm going to be leaving for a bit. Engineering Design is really picking up the pace.
I'd prefer if we had a contingency to insist upon taking the memory device should Hijiri refuse, but since it's the only vote out there right now, I'mma vote for
[X] Vebyast
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go memorize concrete specifications.
See you guys in a couple weeks or so.
I'd prefer if we had a contingency to insist upon taking the memory device should Hijiri refuse, but since it's the only vote out there right now, I'mma vote for
[X] Vebyast
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go memorize concrete specifications.
See you guys in a couple weeks or so.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
...Ow. Yuck. Good luck.
Yeah. Hm. Honestly, if Hijiri refuses to give up the memory device at that point, I'd start giving the Hijiri-H hypothesis a much harder look. I think that we'd get a break to vote in that case?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
By the way, since Yuuri's 'gone to ground', if the calling her thing doesn't pan out, how are we gonna find her?
I thought about making a Sensing Device and having Umika, Sayaka and Kazumi copy it. Then we'd have 4 flying/tracker teams.
But that would take a while, and it'd be searching time we're wasting without even being able to SOCIAL the situation into better shape, or anything.
Ask Niko about her tracking apps?
I thought about making a Sensing Device and having Umika, Sayaka and Kazumi copy it. Then we'd have 4 flying/tracker teams.
But that would take a while, and it'd be searching time we're wasting without even being able to SOCIAL the situation into better shape, or anything.
Ask Niko about her tracking apps?
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
I feel like we should open the vote by addressing Hijiri by making it clear why we can't let her go. It's got nothing to do with her status as a person, it's because she did a bad thing and needs to make it right.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
By the way, after we're back in the air, if there's more searching to be done?
What if we quick telepathy everyone in the group with a quick recap of everything that's happened, try to point out logical connections between events, ask anyone if they have any insight to provide about past, present or future events, and re-affirm our goal of hunting down Yuuri and making things right?
Just use the search time to make sure everyone's right on track, nobody's missing anything, help anyone who's still have on emotions move on and get on acting rationally.
And if necessary, remind everyone we're not out to kill Yuuri.
Basically, we completed phase one; have a nice little friendly recap before phase two.
What if we quick telepathy everyone in the group with a quick recap of everything that's happened, try to point out logical connections between events, ask anyone if they have any insight to provide about past, present or future events, and re-affirm our goal of hunting down Yuuri and making things right?
Just use the search time to make sure everyone's right on track, nobody's missing anything, help anyone who's still have on emotions move on and get on acting rationally.
And if necessary, remind everyone we're not out to kill Yuuri.
Basically, we completed phase one; have a nice little friendly recap before phase two.
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I think this is also the part where we point out to Sayaka that unless we do something about it very soon, her parents are going to freak out about her being missing this morning.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Hmm. Good point. Okay, what to cut... And when to do it. Multitask, do it at the same time we're talking to Hijiri? Talk to Hijiri, then break to do that before we talk to Yuuri? I think that it can't be quite a throwaway vote, we want to give her at least the choice between "go back in person", "send clone home on MOF", and "commit hard to magical girls reveal"?
Ugh. We need more words. Can you work any of your magic language-compressing ways on this vote? Need to preserve the part where the entire middle chunk is in terms of Hijiri's agency, but other than that I don't think there's anything particularly fiddly.