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StylizedPenguin said:
I've heard a lot about this quest from the Madoka community at Spacebattles, so I decided to come over and-- *sees five-thousand pages* :o Oh, uh... Is there any kind of summary to get up to speed on things?
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Welcome!

There's a Story Only thread... though I guess reader mode is a thing now, too.

If you want a very summarized summary, there's the day planner, but it's really not a summary; more like foot notes/spoilers.

Sabrina's Day Planner
 
Can't say I'm particularly happy with either prevailing vote at the moment. We need to mention that we're also the result of a wish, start building a connection with her.
 
"No IC evidence" is flat out wrong. We know what Madoka wished for. We saw gold eyes when we woke up. We know that we aren't the only thing that's changed in this loop. All of those are extremely strong IC evidence supporting the hypothesis that Madoka's last wish was involved in Sabrina showing up in that alley. In fact, it's almost impossible that that wish wasn't involved. If someone wishes for you to have a bad day, and then your car breaks down and makes you miss an important meeting, wouldn't you say that that was caused by the wish?

I think a more reasonable complaint, in this case, is that the details of the wish that made us aren't ours to tell, somewhat undermining the effect. And Hijiri may be fucking with us, precluding revelation even in privacy sphere. That's the only reason it's not in my vote right now.
 
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Muramasa said:
It's one we have no IC evidence to support. Without any IC proof, it's just a claim way out of left field. It makes us look like we lost it.
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I'll point out that while "I woke up in an alleyway with no memories, no prior history I've been able to find, a wealth of information about the magical girl system, and a very clear and strong desire to become a magical girl and start helping" isn't conclusive, it does paint a picture even while omitting the parts of our metaknowledge we don't publicly state and Madoka's wish.
 
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IIRC, the only time we told anyone about being Wishborn was in timestop with Homura, and I think it was when we almost told her about the potential bomb.

So it seems very unwise to blurt that out loud just to calm down a still-suspect meguca.

(I remember it mainly because of the hilarious Homura quest omake)
 
The Phoenixian said:
I'll point out that while "I woke up in an alleyway with no memories, no prior history I've been able to find, a wealth of information about the magical girl system, and a very clear and strong desire to become a magical girl and start helping" isn't conclusive, it does paint a picture even while omitting the parts of our metaknowledge we don't publicly state and Madoka's wish.
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Muramasa said:
A minor correction. We have no IC evidence we can actually present.
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Moving this from the edit to here as the conversation has moved forwards:

While I'm on the subject, it was long ago noted that "Amnesia does not work like that" and so even something turning us from some hypothetical preexistent girl into a blank slate still requires magic to do so, given that that's not how mundane amnesia works.

And reading into any intentions behind that has to jive with the fact that we had very specific set of knowledge that left us obviously equipped to become a magical girl with knowledge of what we were getting into.

(Also, on a tangential note I think it's interesting that while the thread didn't, Sabrina herself had a choice. She could well have let Madoka or Sayaka make a contract to heal her, and they likely would have had she not stopped them. Sadly not something we can say straight for a while yet, but I think it's interesting just how much choice Sabrina's creator gave her, and even power over Madoka herself, in those first few moments.)

landcollector said:
Not necessarily. After all, correlation =/= causation.
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We are talking about magic. The mundane equivalent to Vebyast's example would probably be something like "If someone tampers with the fuel in the gas station, and after you fill up there your car breaks down, wouldn't you say that that was caused by the fuel tampering?"
 
The Phoenixian said:
Moving this from the edit to here as the conversation has moved forwards:

While I'm on the subject, it was long ago noted that "Amnesia does not work like that" and so even something turning us from some hypothetical preexistent girl into a blank slate still requires magic to do so, given that that's not how mundane amnesia works.

And reading into any intentions behind that has to jive with the fact that we had very specific set of knowledge that left us obviously equipped to become a magical girl with knowledge of what we were getting into.

(Also, on a tangential note I think it's interesting that while the thread didn't, Sabrina herself had a choice. She could well have let Madoka or Sayaka make a contract to heal her, and they likely would have had she not stopped them. Sadly not something we can say straight for a while yet, but I think it's interesting just how much choice Sabrina's creator gave her, and even power over Madoka herself, in those first few moments.)


We are talking about magic. The mundane equivalent to Vebyast's example would probably be something like "If someone tampers with the fuel in the gas station, and after you fill up there your car breaks down, wouldn't you say that that was caused by the fuel tampering?"
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You didn't need to do that. I read your edit. Saying magic is involved in Sabrina's circumstances is not a hard leap to make. That isn't the same thing though, which is something you yourself pointed out.
 
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We are talking about magic. The mundane equivalent to Vebyast's example would probably be something like "If someone tampers with the fuel in the gas station, and after you fill up there your car breaks down, wouldn't you say that that was caused by the fuel tampering?"
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No the mundane equivalent would be 'I call in for a pizza; that causes the pizza delivery person to be born.'
 
Muramasa said:
It's one we have no IC evidence to support.
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We don't have any memories or any evidence that we existed before [date we appeared in alley]. That's weak evidence, and in principle only evidence that we were created by some unnatural process* rather than by a wish in particular, but it is evidence.

If pressed, we could admit that we also have confidential information about a wish that we think sounds like it might have created us without providing any further details? That's also weak, but in combination with the above it's essentially our actual reason for believing it.

* for example, we could be a witch's familiar.
 
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