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Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Wah! S-senpai ignored me when I made the same point earlier!
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
^This.
It's worth adding right now that Kyuubey has at least two methods of causing trouble that could utterly destroy us. He can tell Mami the witchbomb, and he can tell Homura the thing that's up with her. (Presumably, but not necessarily, the potentialbomb)
Assessing whether he would do either of those things thing and/or finding measures to circumvent the possibility is very important. If that requires talking to Kyuubey, that requires talking to Kyuubey.
Sorry about that. I think when I read that comment I mostly focused on your last two paragraphs, and I didn't notice you had a citation. Hope we're cool now.Wah! S-senpai ignored me when I made the same point earlier!
Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
Actually, that's your Kohai.Wah! S-senpai ignored me when I made the same point earlier!
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
While I won't deny that kicking the bunnycats out of Mitakhara is something I wholeheartedly support, and do want to get done soon, I will have to dispute you on interacting with Jyuubey.
Oriko said that it was "emotional", IRC. That's a far sight better than it's flesh donor.
I primarily want to befriend Jyuubey because it is not the Incubator, but knows at least bits of what coobie know. Thus, it should be less painful to talk to.
If everyone else is against the idea, though, I'll back down.
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Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
I am curious about what he'll do if/when we do that. He seems adverse to interfering directly in affairs, but it's possible the only reason he permitted the Pleiades to do such a thing was because it was an intellectual curiosity and they couldn't possibly sustain it forever without griefbending. Our presence may change things, although it's still worth trying.
However if we do it too soon, we're going to have one hell of a time inventing Grief Cubes since we don't know how Grief works. We're actually closer to Dewitching... which presents a problem. Live in the Dome, using the souls of despairing children to cleanse your own souls, or interact with the "unfriendly" A.I. and potentially get some info we desperately need to fulfill our stated objectives?
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
What the fuck are you talking about, Karne? Sabrina has infinite free cleansing.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Idle thought. When we're done in Asunaro (besides remembering to get that stealth enchantment), we should ask Mami to leave a Ribbon and extend it on the way back, so as to leave a Ribbon connecting both cities.
Then we can test if we can cleanse the Pleiades from long range with Mami's help, and hell, see if Mami and Sabrina can make Chibis in Asunaro while being at Mitakihara.
Then we can test if we can cleanse the Pleiades from long range with Mami's help, and hell, see if Mami and Sabrina can make Chibis in Asunaro while being at Mitakihara.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
If that works we could use ribbons to make kiosks to get grief cleansing. Assign a girl in each town to ensure its safety etc.
Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
That is what I'm talking about. We could theoretically stay under a interference dome indefinitely, or more likely expand it across the whole globe. That would probably cause Kyuubey to respond differently than the one the Pleiades made in canon, since they didn't have grief cleansing and thus couldn't remain in the dome indefinitely because of corruption.
It's not a situation that came up in canon, and we don't even have an idea of what QB considers for his "ethics" system outside the idea that he seems to want to be able to say that he treats humans better than we treat our cattle. We don't even actually know he doesn't outright lie - we just don't have any examples of him telling any falsehoods, only lies of omission which imply it. Again, not something we're going to figure out unless we ask him directly.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably thinking about volume limits.
Which, no, isn't a thing on its own but becomes more relevant one clear seeds enter the equation.
Calculations early this chapter say we have what? 1-2 clear seeds to for a 50 meter hemisphere of nanoscale fog to become visible? Extend that to 100 meters and some very quick and dirty math says the numbers change to 8-16 before the same problems arise.
On it's own, for one group, that's a a silly amount of clear seeds. But if we plan to produce and distribute them on industrial scales it becomes a problem.
Which means if we plan to do that, we either need to be able to dispose of grief through an incubator or similar waste hatch, or we need to dump it into the environment en-mass.
It also means that any kind of of de-witching that involves cleansing before hand requires that kind of waste hatch.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Am I high, or did you just suggest that asking QB if it can tell lies is the only way to figure out if it can lie or not?
I'm literally crying right now. What are you doing?
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
We can increase the grief cloud's density a lot before anything becomes visible. Firn actually ran the numbers himself not too long after we first made the utility fog (he's an optical physicist, remember), and it came out to ~200 or so Clear Seed's worth of grief, if I remember correctly.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Looking it up now...
So, we were close to our limit at first estimation. As it stands, our limit seems to be 10 times whatever point it was we started using fog with. So assuming we started with 1-2 it would be 10-20 (or possibly 20-30 depending on how just far away we were from that limit.)
Still seems to be very much in the low tens and not hundreds.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Hm. You are correct. Thanks for the clarification, I didn't remember that right.
rkyeun
Cabbitus Maximus
- Location
- ◕ ‿‿ ◕
The clear seed knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the clear seed from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the clear seed is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the clear seed must also know where it was.
The clear seed guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the clear seed has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
- Location
- Auf dem Tisch
Let me put this another way: we do not know the precise mechanism by which the Witch Cycle counteracts entropy. In other to provide the Incubator a "clean" alternative, that is something we must know. It cannot be accomplished without this critical understanding.
This, to me, is inordinately more likely than the pipe dream of destroying the Incubator completely and irrevocably. (N.B. We get exactly one shot at that!)
Given that, how would you propose we determine the full mechanics of the cycle without going a few rounds of 20 Questions with one of its terminal appliances?
And remember, we truly know very little about anything. Reasoned conjecture is no substitute for theory!
This, to me, is inordinately more likely than the pipe dream of destroying the Incubator completely and irrevocably. (N.B. We get exactly one shot at that!)
Given that, how would you propose we determine the full mechanics of the cycle without going a few rounds of 20 Questions with one of its terminal appliances?
And remember, we truly know very little about anything. Reasoned conjecture is no substitute for theory!
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
The tiny little blonde jumped.
But she didn't just jump; she pirouetted, spinning gracefully through the air, to land onto the next rooftop.
If anyone was watching, they'd see a little yellow ribbon sprouting from the abnormally small girl's back. A tense ribbon that seemed to... vanish into thin air, but a foot away from the Chibi.
Mami paid little mind to possible observers, instead concentrating on her mission. Her comparatively huge eyes were set with determination, she was decided to complete her task, no matter the cost!
So her tiny feet kept pumping, her diminute body kept leaping, the Chibi form of Mami kept travelling for hours and hours on end, tirelessly, the rush of wind her only companion, not stopping for a single-
The Chibi dug her heels in, coming to an abrupt halt after skidding a few feet on a random rooftop.
Still she stood, her eyes glazed over, unresponsive.
Far, far behind her back, following a invisible trail of magical ribbon attached to her back, all the way back in a certain apartment in Mitakihara, Mami, the real Mami, blinked, befuddled.
"But not even a comic villain would do that," she said.
The white haired girl sitting besides her shrugged helplessly.
Mami shook her head. "That version of Earth is weird," she muttered.
Chibi eyes snapped back into focus. Ignoring the interruption altogether, the little Avatar of Mami took off running, to leap off the rooftop and onto the next one, continuing its path as an inoxerable, unstoppable force of nature.
Except when Sabrina managed to surprise her utterly. Then it was OK to take a break.
Finally, after many hours of running and jumping, the Chibi Mami arrived at her destination.
She curtsied with as much elegance as she usually did.
"Good afternoon- uff...!"
... But with around twice as much cuteness, as shown by the inabilty of the the greenete Magical Girl she was addressing to keep herself from hugging the little Mami to her chest.
"Oh my gosh she's so cute-" "Let me hold her too, let me!" "-heard Tomoe Mami was a badass, not a cutest-" "... maybe let her breathe already?"
Three of the magical girls stopped, blinking at the fourth one, a purple haired girl who was adjusting her glasses.
Slowly, they stepped away from where they were crowding around the miniature version of the most badass magical girl they had ever met, and with a nervous gulp, the girl holding her carefully deposited Mami back on the ground.
Then the four girls bowed profusely.
"Please forgive us!" they shouted in almost perfect synchronization.
Back in Mitakihara, Mami covered her reddened face in her hands, leaning against a chuckling Sabrina, who held her fondly.
But the Chibi Mami showed no sign of this, instead nodding gravely to the local magical girls who had came to receive her after her long trip.
"Let's try this again, shall we?" she winked. After receiving a few quick nods, she curtsied once more, this time without interruption. "I'm Tomoe Mami, just Mami to my friends," she smiled and winked again, causing one of the other magical girls to bring a hand to her cheek with a 'eeeee...'.
"But before we forget," the Chibi Mami reached back to touch the (mostly invisible) ribbon trailing from her back. As her fingers reached, the ribbon split in two, a new connection coming away with her hand, "as promised!" she took a few steps forward, presenting the ribbon's end the first magical girl to meet her.
"So with this...?" the girl's eyes glimmed hopefully.
Mami smiled, nodding. "Try it!" she encouraged.
Slowly, shooting nervous looks at her companions, the girl took the ribbon and... brought it to the a romboid-shaped gem hanging from her earlobe.
The four magical girls held their breath.
For a moment, nothing happened.
Then, before someone cried foul, Mami snapped her tiny fingers.
As if by magic, the gem shone, a black miasma seeping into the ribbon at high speeds, quickly vanishing into thin air, invisible as the connection leading all the way back to Sabrina's hands at Mitakihara.
"It works!" cheered the magical girl.
As if that was the trigger they'd been waiting for, her three companions crowed over her, all trying to get a hold of the ribbon, and be the next one to try the new cleansing method.
The Chibi Mami waited patiently as each Magical Girl had their turn... and until they remembered about her presence.
A little cough from the miniature Mami brought the locals' attention back to her.
The greenette did a quick bow. "Excuse me, Miss Tomoe," she apologized sheepishly, "we were just..."
"I know, I know," Mami waved away her concerns, "it's not the first time I do this, you know?"
After a few more apologies and reassurances, the Chibi took a step back.
"Well, time to hit the next city," she curtsied again. "I'm sorry I can't stay to chat-"
"Wait you can't go yet!" yelled a another girl.
"Yes, you're too cute-"
"It wouldn't be polite to not invite you for tea before you go, right?" The purple haired girl cut in.
Mami froze, still mid-curtsie.
"Well, one cup of tea wouldn't go amiss..." she agreed, to the other girls' obvious delight.
"Ohhhh... the jasmine tea is delicious!" the original Mami told Sabrina. "Even better than the peach tea. I definitely need to ask where they buy their tea..."
"Mami."
"And the cookies are really good, too? Do you think they'll give me the recipe?"
"Mami!" The white haired girl pulled at the blonde's hair drill.
Mami blinked, blushing. "Yes, Sabrina?"
"You've been there for three hours," the taller girl pointed out.
The blonde blinked, bringing a hand to her mouth. "Oops...? I was just having so much fun over there, and over here, too!" she grabbed Sabrina's arm into a hug, looking up pleadingly into her blue eyes.
Sabrina smiled, letting her head drop until their foreheads' met. She stared deeply and fondly into the blonde's golden eyes, pulling her into a proper embrace.
"Just make another Chibi," she said.
Mami giggled.
With a flourish of her hand, a bunch of ribbons faded into visibility, at least fifteen of them, all leading out through the windows and from there separating, travelling in different directions, one of them to the Chibi that was currently busy chatting over tea with her new four magical girl friends.
With a twist of her will, a new ribbon emerged, pooling into the floor and rising, moulding itself into a familiar form, taking colour...
After but a minute, a new Chibi Mami stood in Mami's apartment.
Without saying anything, as it wasn't necessary, the newest one of Mami's many avatars leaped out the window, to bring cleansing and hopefully friendship to another city, to another group of magical girls.
Far, far away, without ever leaving the comfortable warmth of Sabrina's embrace.
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DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
- Pronouns
- He/Him
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
We weren't talking about Jyuubey, just about Kyuubey. Jyuubey doesn't even exist yet.
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I'm not sure what this line was referring to.
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Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Sabrina's telling Mami about something absurd from one of the other timelines she knows of (Maybe Suzune, maybe Tart, maybe even our real world timeline!) during their out-of-focus conversation. The specifics are intentionally not filled in.
StellarMonarch
Myrmidon
- Location
- Québec
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