That's a good vote kaizuki. I think we should include info that we're potentially a wish construct though - I want her to understand that we're not really a citizen of any country and have a dubious status everywhere.
 
--[] You mean to keep Hitomi and Madoka out of this, although to your knowledge, Hitomi is not a potential.
Not going to help; Hitomom was probably the muggle friend and knows that it's likely still pretty traumatizing. It's a good addition, however.
[] That makes this easier, you suppose. You have something of a business proposal. But perhaps you could speak privately? Tone: be serious foremost, but friendly.
I would prefer leaving that for later, a "We were actually thinking about reading you in anyway" after we've begun to address her fundamental concerns and given her an overview of our ideals and our plans, both local and grand.
 
As a general note, we now need to tell Hitomi's mom about Walpurgisnacht tonight so she has time to use her resources in whatever way she sees fit (though not necessarily this update).
 
I really don't see a reason to just jump right into telling her everything. There's just something about the way she said 'I was a teenager too' that throws me off. I want to suggest being honest, but leave out some of the details, see how much she can fill in for herself, if she does, we can safely bring her in as a confident or adviser or whatever. I do want to put some effort into keeping the masquerade, even if Hitomi's mother already knows about it, I don't see a problem with keeping vague, if for no other reason that it's one less conversation with Kyuubey about maintaining secrecy. I mean if she already knows, she already knows, not our fault. As a matter of fact, it might be possible that Kyuubey might have undone some memory blockage on Momtomi, but that's just a thought.

[] Be honest, but make it vague on if you're actually Magical Girls, or Larping/playing
-[] Hitomi and Madoka can't and don't join in our hunts and missions
-[] Kaoru and the other two are 'magical girls' from out of town, and are visiting
-[] Everything is good right now, and the team is very strong, and everyone are good friends
-[] If she makes it clear she knows what she's talking about, lose the pretenses and talk openly
--[] Ask how she figured it out
--[] Explain that Hitomi has some potential to be a magical girl, but everyone really doesn't want her to

That got a bit longer than I intended it to, but I wanted to get the right tone and cover certain bases that are true and presented in vague enough ways that could be misconstrued as LARPing or Chunnibyo-ing. It's not an amazing cover, but it really doesn't have to be, I'm 80% sure she knows the basic facts, but there's no reason to go into Lich and Witch bomb territory with Mami sitting right next to us.

Also, I just think it would make a funny bit of storytelling if we try to play it off like this. Afterall, sometimes you don't have to play to win, just have fun with the characters and make an interesting story.
 
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I would prefer leaving that for later, a "We were actually thinking about reading you in anyway" after we've begun to address her fundamental concerns and given her an overview of our ideals and our plans, both local and grand.

An excuse to get this away from the Pleiades, Mami, etc would be preferable until we've handled the potential for a witchbomb scenario, imho.
 
Not going to help; Hitomom was probably the muggle friend and knows that it's likely still pretty traumatizing. It's a good addition, however.

I would prefer leaving that for later, a "We were actually thinking about reading you in anyway" after we've begun to address her fundamental concerns and given her an overview of our ideals and our plans, both local and grand.
An excuse to get this away from the Pleiades, Mami, etc would be preferable until we've handled the potential for a witchbomb scenario, imho.

I'm dumb, we're already alone with her, just us and mami. Hang on.
 
As soon as she glanced at our hands I figured she knew about magical girls. I was a bit confused when Sabrina started relating it to girls loving girls instead.
Lesbians strongly tend towards having short fingernails, for reasons that should be obvious after a little thought.

As for the vote, I really think we should take a moment to have her confirm she's not talking about LARPing before diving into a full explanation. 'I was a teenager too' really screams "Kids and their games, amiright? rather than "I know about magic". And if you'd asked me before the update, I'd have said that the "muggle friend" would probably tend to have their memory wiped after the meguca dies, because that's how Kyubey would roll.

Ideally, I'd like to see one of the votes assuming she knows everything prefaced with something along the lines of:
[X] Have her explain quite what she means by that, and only disclose exactly how correct she is if she does indeed know about magical girls and kyubey, etc.
 
I'll clarify the vote when I get more time, but the intent of "it probably hurt" was a note to Sabrina formalizing the inference I made in the discussion preceding the vote and telling Sabrina the context of the compassion, sympathy, and support she needs to be offering. From there let Brinapilot handle it; she's good at it and she has an OODA loop that's about 10x faster than ours.

Another observation: Hitomom knows enough about meguca social and political dynamics to identify Sabrina and Mami as the People In Charge of this group. Didn't look there was even much question in her mind. Also relevant, not just Mami, but Mami and Sabrina. Mami's obvious, but I'm not quite so sure that Sabrina is an obvious Leader when she's not wulfenbaching.
As far as evidence goes for the two of us being in charge.

"Mami bows politely, and you follow belatedly. "Hitomi and I did, Mrs Shizuki," she says, taking your hand. "I'm afraid I'm imposing, Mrs Shizuki, for bringing my friends along."

"If anything, it's my fault," you say, smiling at Mami, then Mrs Shizuki. "It was my idea that we could all join this little study session. Thank you for extending the hospitality of your home to us, Mrs Shizuki!"
I'd say it's pretty clear how she got the impression we were in charge.

[] Do not, at any point, tell Hitomom "not to worry" or anything in such a vein. She probably wouldn't appreciate that.
[] That makes this easier, you suppose. You have something of a business proposal. But perhaps you could speak privately? Tone: be serious foremost, but friendly.
-[] Privately:
--[] Make certain Hitomom isn't witchbombed, or that she isn't going to spread it around.
--[] You mean to keep Hitomi and Madoka out of this, although to your knowledge, Hitomi is not a potential.
-[] In either a public or private setting:
--[] A bunch of meguca will be coming to Mitakihara in the near future; we'd like to secure at least temporary housing for them and can pay for it.
---[] If asked, be honest about our funding source. Future incomes are foreseeable from other sources if needed (powers -> materials -> currency)
--[] Convey info on our powers.

148 words, basic vote.
Hmmm... I'm not sure about just booting Mami out of the conversation to begin with.

EDIT: Ninjas, ninjas everywhere.
 
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An excuse to get this away from the Pleiades, Mami, etc would be preferable until we've handled the potential for a witchbomb scenario, imho.
I think so, but I'm not sure we can get Mami out. Maybe she can speak brainmail?

Goals for this conversation:
  • Be compassionate, respectful, and supportive throughout. She likely has first-hand experience that being meguca is suffering.
  • Reassure her. She's worried for her daughter and her daughter's friends.
  • Figure out what she knows, taking particular care to feel out and control infohazards. Remember that Mami is sitting next to you.
  • Find out if she's hooked up to telepathy and if she's still in contact with kyubey.
  • Read her in on your ideals, goals, and general plans: You have the power to make it so that being meguca is not suffering.
 
I think so, but I'm not sure we can get Mami out. Maybe she can speak brainmail?

Goals for this conversation:
  • Be compassionate, respectful, and supportive throughout. She likely has first-hand experience that being meguca is suffering.
  • Reassure her. She's worried for her daughter and her daughter's friends.
  • Figure out what she knows, taking particular care to feel out and control infohazards. Remember that Mami is sitting next to you.
  • Find out if she's hooked up to telepathy and if she's still in contact with kyubey.
  • Read her in on your ideals, goals, and general plans: You have the power to make it so that being meguca is not suffering.

All these but I'd also add giving her the knowledge of the local situation (eg who controls what, Walpurgisnacht) so she can make informed decisions.
 
I think so, but I'm not sure we can get Mami out. Maybe she can speak brainmail?

Goals for this conversation:
  • Be compassionate, respectful, and supportive throughout. She likely has first-hand experience that being meguca is suffering.
  • Reassure her. She's worried for her daughter and her daughter's friends.
  • Figure out what she knows, taking particular care to feel out and control infohazards. Remember that Mami is sitting next to you.
  • Find out if she's hooked up to telepathy and if she's still in contact with kyubey.
  • Read her in on your ideals, goals, and general plans: You have the power to make it so that being meguca is not suffering.
All these but also checking that "what she knows" includes actual magic and not an assumption of "kids playing games" in the first place. 'I was a teenager once too, you know' really doesn't sound right for "I know about magic and Kyubey".
 
Ideally I would not. This is the perfect time to read her in whether she actually knows anything or not, and her phrasing gives us plausible deniability.
I would really rather we had Hitomi's permission before single-handedly upending her mother's entire worldview?

EDIT: In fact, why don't we ask Homura for a timestop to discuss it with her?
 
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I would really rather we had Hitomi's permission before single-handedly upending her mother's entire worldview?
I don't think asking a child's permission to talk to their parents is strictly necessary. If anything permission normally flows in the opposite direction. With Sayaka and to a lesser extent Madoka it affects their daily lives because they're directly involved, but Hitomi is a self-described side character.
 
[] Take Mrs. Shizuki very seriously. If she is in the know, she probably has some knowledge that could be a danger to our friends or Mami.
-[] Make sure we're on the same page. Is she talking about what we think she's talking about?
--[] If not, then thank her for being blunt, and express your amazement that she already knew.
-[] We were already thinking about bringing in the parents, but we hadn't even brought it up to the group yet - she's preempted us. We're going to need help from an adult soon, so it's good that she already knows.
-[] As it stands, the group has something of an uneven information distribution. Just as a fair warning. Probably best to bring up that Mami's not fully informed by her own volition?
-[] If she's worried about Hitomi, you can reassure her that Hitomi is not a potential, and is in the know and we can be there to protect her in an instant.
-[] Let her ask some questions. Answer as honestly as you can.
[] Contact Homura, and only Homura, via telepathy.
-[] Shizuki knows about magical girls. If she starts to talk about witches, we'll call for her.

Parts in green are questionable. I suppose there's no reason to only contact Homura, just only Homura can really help us. Bringing up that Mami isn't fully informed would be good for not having her be witchbombed, but might make her feel self-conscious and would be kinda awkward. May demonstrate that we have procedures for infohazards though?

As for informing Shizuki that we might be contacting her for help, I think it's wise, but doesn't quite fit in the conversation with flow anywhere else, and might break the vote at that point. If anybody has an idea on how or where to move that, I wouldn't be mad.
 
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I don't think asking a child's permission to talk to their parents is strictly necessary. If anything permission normally flows in the opposite direction. With Sayaka and to a lesser extent Madoka it affects their daily lives because they're directly involved, but Hitomi is a self-described side character.
And yet going directly over your friend's head to possibly destroy her social circle is still a dick move. We aren't a teacher or adult voicing our concerns, we're a friend who would be attempting to reassure the parent about something - and if she doesn't know about it, causing the concern in the first place. I'm struggling to find a reading where doing what you're suggesting isn't just being a jerk.

Orrrrr it might have been that Mami and Sabrina were holding hands?
A long enough amount of time had passed in the chapter that I had forgotten they were holding hands - and it seems a bit odd to me if they were still holding hands through the entire scene (walking the whole way, entering/exiting an elevator, entering someone's home, greeting someone for the first time - that's a lot of doorways etc.!) So it didn't occur to me as an explanation, and the only thing I could think of that could possibly identify someone as a lesbian from just their hands was the fingernails thing (or a tattoo saying 'I <3 girls' I guess, and I feel like that would have come up already). You're probably right though.
 
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All these but also checking that "what she knows" includes actual magic and not an assumption of "kids playing games" in the first place. 'I was a teenager once too, you know' really doesn't sound right for "I know about magic and Kyubey".
Completely and totally unbelievable. Your point would be valid IRL, but in this context and given what we've seen from her, it is absolutely the case that she knows about Kyubey. The biggest argument is that she recognized the rings and the fingernails. Teenage LARP communities do not maintain flawlessly consistent settings and equipment literally across generations, and teenagers in general do not have individually customized high-quality jewelry and difficult and unusual tattoos in configurations matching their jewelry. I mean, think about how hard it'd be to make a tattoo work underneath your fingernail - you'd have to get rid of the nail, then get the tattoo into the nailbed, then fix it there with the nailbed being one of the higher-rate-of-change bits of the body, and then you'd have had to hide that operation not just from the parents but the entire practice from the world, all without the benefit of kyubey's memory fuckery. And remember that that entire tradition would have to be consistent and stable enough to remain in operation after thirty years, enough that she can recognize it at a glance. Like, imagine that the D&D community had a secret tradition of getting plastic surgery to get pointy ears or dwarven beards along with jewelry appropriate for their characters. And then that's supposed to remain a secret somehow? On a teenager's allowance? No, she is absolutely read in on magic.

The line about "I was a teenager too" is "Yeah, remember that while I may be 40 now, I did used to be the right age for the whole contract thing."

Also? OOC, conservation of narrative detail.

Finally? Asking her if she's talking about video games is incredibly insulting to what she's been through amazingly condescending besides. She just got done telling us that she's not stupid; trying to deflect her like that is about the fastest path I can possibly see to ruining our relationship.

ALSO? QUIT VOTING. The moratorium being open is clearly a mistake.
 
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