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Hm. Interesting.

Maybe we can do a crystal gem style magic fusion.

I also wonder if the sensation of 'usness' is inherent or something were doing wrong.
 
Mami likes us because of who we are. Putting her before the world is not something she would want. But we can have our cake and eat it, too, because as of the moment there is no reason we can't save the world and have Mami. So there is no argument, okay, nya?
 
Torgamous said:
Practically speaking, neglecting Mami when she's integral to our plan to save the world is not a recipe for long-term success.
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Obviously not. As this is a reconstruction, the correct answer is and always will be "save both". Having to sacrifice one to save the other is the exact sort of theme this story isn't about.

That said, our blonde waifu is not more important than seven billion other humans.
 
Kaizuki said:
Mami likes us because of who we are. Putting her before the world is not something she would want. But we can have our cake and eat it, too, because as of the moment there is no reason we can't save the world and have Mami. So there is no argument, okay, nya?
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This. Come on guys, I wasn't dead serious. :rolleyes:

But Mami is singularly more important to us than any other individual, I think. That's natural for love. I don't expect us to ever have to make such a choice, and if we did I'd be 110% for "Fuck The Universe, save everyone" as an option, but I think that Mami's death would hit us a lot harder than, say, Sayaka's death or Kazumi's death.

Fact is, folk have monkeyspheres and anyone outside of that is really just a number. One only has so much processing power in their brain, after all, so people who don't need to be forefront in your cognition tend to be abstracted, more heavily the less important to you they are. It's natural, and hopefully builds a web that connects everyone on the planet without needing anyone to go full Shirou. :)

E: Veb, I was only using it as a way to impress how important Mami was. I wasn't trying to derail the WAFF, I was trying to add to it!
 
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Kaizuki said:
Mami likes us because of who we are. Putting her before the world is not something she would want. But we can have our cake and eat it, too, because as of the moment there is no reason we can't save the world and have Mami. So there is no argument, okay, nya?
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Not even "at this moment". PMAS is about fixing everything. That means we don't have to choose. End of story. Literally.
 
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Firnagzen said:
"We're OK!" Kazumi calls from the kitchen. "The plates are fine too!"
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Can we keep her?
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She taps you on the nose. "Bad Sabrina."
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Looks like our not-a-confession really helped. Last week she would've been too afraid that we'd take it seriously to joke about that.

Also, it occurs to me that now that everyone but Homura has access to chibis, fighting Witches as chibis might be better practice for Walpurgisnacht.
 
Firnagzen said:
You better not have unleashed a plague of Kazumis upon the world by accident. If you have, you're gonna go and give Oriko a good shaking for not warning you about it. In specific terms. 'A plague of Kazumis.'
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The Cutest Apocalypse

"My god, Sabrina, what have you done?!" Oriko shouted, eyes wide with horror and a bit of panic. Beside her, Kirika bore an uncharacteristically serious expression--almost as if she were putting up an act, come to think of it.

"Uh--" Sabrina started.

"I lose my precognition for a few days, and look at what happens!"

It was undeniable at this point. The chibi-Kazumis were all over the place, and they were spreading. It turned out that the chibis could make more of themselves. No one understood how Kazumi herself could handle the multitasking strain, but Sabrina suspected that Kazumi had somehow copied Sabrina's own ludicrous multitasking capabilities. And with a Clear Seed in her possession, it didn't seem like magic costs were going to be a limitation any time soon.

"Eheheh...oops?" Sabrina laughed nervously, scratching the back of her head.

"I think they're cute!" Kirika piped up from beside Oriko, ruffling the hair of a chibi-Kazumi playfully.

Years later, Oriko would still adamantly insist that she had not, in fact, yelped and jumped off the couch out of sheer, startled reflex.
 
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Torgamous said:
Looks like our not-a-confession really helped. Last week she would've been too afraid that we'd take it seriously to joke about that.
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In general, being in a relationship with her and making it explicit just how much we care about her (with gestures we couldn't really make otherwise) has done a lot of good for her. I think, at this point, if she went home one day and found all of Sabrina's things gone, she'd come to the conclusion that something bad must have happened, not that Sabrina had deliberately/willingly left her. Which is a huge mark of progress.

Mami has become more bold and more secure in her standing with Sabrina. She still feels insecure, anxious, stressed, lonely, and more when Sabrina isn't with her, but when Sabrina is with her, she doesn't act at all like one misstep will prompt Sabrina to leave her. She might doubt herself, but she doesn't doubt Sabrina, which is important.
 
RE: Kazumi chibi control: Note that Kazumi did have an accident in the kitchen while using them. Which could just be her being her (adorable) self but could also indicate running into limits.

Mining from a similar vein, I'm quite interested in her comment on our power being "weird."

Onmur said:
[] Restrained giddiness. Check if you can control Grief without it touching the Ribbon.
-[] Either way, finish the experiment. Check if Mami's OK.
-[] Talk about what you could do together with this. To put it roughly, you could cleanse all Grief on Earth if you both put your mind into it.
-[] Ask about the possibility of replicating the Ribbon with enchantment, so as to not... distract Mami.
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This adds more weight and global importance than I'm comfortable putting in this context. Even verboten lines of speculation aside, we're messing around with her soul in a way that's having a strong visible (emotional) effect.

Given what we've seen, I'm relatively comfortable going ahead with further research (as time is available) but I want to be careful in going forwards. She's been so pliable of late that I don't want to accidentally push her into things.

(I mean, to hell with just ranged cleansing, the soul to soul contract alone has potential for a dozen proj-.)

... SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

What Mami is experiencing is basically the magical girl to magical girl equivalent of the feedback we were experiencing when we were trying to contact Witches isn't it!?

Oh. freaking. duh. Hildegard's feedback when we were experimenting with our power on her? The giant mindbreaking feedback from the familiar we tried to take control of? This is that!

And of course, we're in contact with Mami, who we love. No wonder she's blushing. She's probably feeling our emotions full blast.
 
Conjured Blade said:
So do we have any ideas for taking some of the load off Mami for future experiments? So far the only one I can think of is using Sayaka ribbons at the same time to see if that reduces the effect.
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I'm fairly certain there's no actual strain on her, nor pain. If there was, she wouldn't be blushing about it.

It's just that the interaction is extremely intimate (not necessarily in a romantic sense). We are literally infusing a construct linked to her soul with an enchantment made from ours.

It's arguably more personal than any physical interaction could be. That's going to take a long time to acclimate to.

Personally, I think we should offer her the chance to do the same...probably with one of our hammers. Should give us a clearer idea of the nature of the experience, and makes it less one-sided.

Redshirt Army said:
This. Just because normal humans can only care for ~150 others as true individuals with opinions worth caring about, doesn't mean that we should saddle Sabrina with such limits unnecessarily.
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Except that asking Firn to provide detailed and emotional encounters with 150+ well developed characters is a bit much, much less thousands.

So...no, Sabrina's going to have a so-called "monkey sphere" by narrative necessity.

Not that brain power matters particularly for Meguca anyway. Witches don't need one, after all, and they're not all that different at the technical level.
 
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So...

[X] Restrained giddiness. Check if you can control Grief without it touching the Ribbon.
-[X] Either way, finish the experiment.
-[X] Check if Mami's OK. Ask her how she feels.
-[X] Maybe she could try pushing her magic into you, to know what it feels like?
-[X] Share your hopes of spreading your Grief cleansing. Maybe replicating her Ribbon's magic-conduction through enchantment?

[X] Witch hunt!
- [X] Vote in abeyance + Grief Fog.

[X] After the hunt
- [X] Ask if you could join the homework session?

Let's hope the Shizukis don't have ninjas lying in wait for revenge about that Yakuza warehouse we struck.

EDIT: Actually, not sure about the homework hang out. The Pleiades may get bored?
 
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So, a couple examples of what this kind of mind to mind contact feels like:

Surface Tension 4, Hildegard.
Firnagzen said:
You nudge it with your Grief manipulation, trying to elicit a reaction from it. Sudden, it twitc-

Despair lances through your mind, a powerful, sledgehammer blow that rips right through you. Useless. Why did you ever imagine you could help? Now Mami and Homura are looking to you, and you're going to fail an-

You scream, and break it off, staggering back a step and dropping to a knee with a wet squelching noise, supporting yourself on your hammer. Harsh breaths whoosh out of you in fast gasps, your mouth dry and heart thundering in a way that it hasn't since the beginning of this fight.

That... was... something.
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Under the Radar 19, Jane's familiar.
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"Yeah, one last thing!" you say. You take a deep breath and reach out with metaphorical fingers, steeling yourself to try and grab that core. You pause for a moment- and slam your will down. Mine.

Pain.

Pain, raw and jagged, rips into your mind in a flood of white-hot agony, pounding upon you in a tremendous, sledgehammer blow. Your back arches, your breath driven from your lungs in a single, harsh scream. The searing attention of something vast upon you.

Distant screams.

You're on your knees.

You utter failure.

Did you really think so highly of yourself?

Do you hear that?

That's Mami, screaming your name. Shaking you.

You reduced her to this.

She would have been better dead than stuck to your side.

You break everything you touch. Everyone you touch.

You bend them to your will because you know better.

Put her in a gilded cage, where she'll be safe.

Because you want to protect her.

These are not your thoughts.

You snarl, calling your powers to yourself.

And you scream with what little breath is in your lungs, a thin, thready sound.

Grief from your Gem.
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If my sudden screaming epiphany is right Mami should be feeling our emotions as though they were her emotions.

Which fits with her comment she made at the end of "We don't go to Asunaro..." pt 2: "That just- felt really strange. Intrusive." That's what we see in these two examples: psychic contact manifested as intrusive thoughts.

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Onmur said:
EDIT: Actually, not sure about the homework hang out. The Pleiades may get bored?
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The homework hangout looks like a pretext for Sayatalk since the vote in abeyance doesn't cover it. (Vote in abeyance is your and Torgamous's vote)
 
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