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Onmur said:
Perfect. We can use a segue into telling adults about magic. :p
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No joke, but that's what I was thinking. Hitomi's parents are in the best position to help us out, and their daughter is in the least danger by being linked into the Magical World, by dint of just not being important enough to anybody but Sayaka and Madoka.

Madoka's a contract target, which could scare Junebug and Tomohisa.
Sayaka's already meguca, and thus her life is in danger every day. Mikimom and Mikidad are probably going to take that poorly.
Mami's parents are dead.
Our parents are fourteen.
Kyouko's parents are also dead.
Nagisa's Uncle could be helpful, but Nagisa is a Potential, so he might still get skittish.
Oriko's parents are dead :Citation Needed:.
Kirika's parents are losers.
Hitomi's not a Potential and doesn't have any danger of being contracted to be meguca. This also means she's "just" a human to any angryguca coming to push our shit in, which means they'll probably overlook her. And her parents are rich, which means they have the liquid capital to finance a "start-up business" in the Magical World - i.e., finance us. It also means they'll probably want us to pay them back somehow, but we can probably find a way. With the variety of magical powers that will be on standby with Clear Seed/Grief Cube production, Meguca would be a valuable addition to any company that knows about them.

tl;dr: We absolutely need to come to Hitomi's parents with a proposition for business. We need liquid capital to begin though.
 
Hitomi's parents would probably be interested solely because we should be able to run a business with a nearly impossible ROI. Startup seed capital yes please.
 
We can offer the Shizukis payment for whatever we ask.

Not only can we steal money from Yakuzas, we can also use magic to do practically anything, as far physics as concerned.
 
Onmur said:
We can offer the Shizukis payment for whatever we ask.

Not only can we steal money from Yakuzas, we can also use magic to do practically anything, as far physics as concerned.
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We also have infinite multitasking and a lot of computer skills [:Citation Needed:]. We could probably outdo hackerguca when it comes to doing more mundane coding tasks.
 
Karnewarrior said:
Oriko's parents are dead :Citation Needed:.
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To give a lenghtier summary on Oriko's backstory:

Oriko's mom died when she was young.

Her dad was devastated, but eventually pushed through and managed to be a good dad for Oriko.

Oriko loves her dad, a lot. He taught her to be nice and that they would help make the whole world better, together. He's partly why Oriko was so fixed on her 'must save the world' mentality; the rest likely being that she was a teenager who hadn't found her place in the world.

Hisaomi Mikuni was an influential politician beloved by his people; his whole neighborhood liked and supported him.

He was recently found using his political position for less than legal goals.

Since his betraying everything he had taught his daughter wasn't bad enough, he hanged himself in shame, leaving Oriko alone.

Then everyone who had supported Hisaomi took out their sour, butthurt, betrayed feelings on Oriko, because she's a lone, hurt teenager who can't defend herself, so the perfect target for mass bullying. That's why the walls of her house are dirty with hate graffity and why she can't go outside the house without her precog to help her avoid getting in trouble.

Now, Symmetry Diamond Oriko managed and dealt with her problems, by coming to accept that she does not owe the world everything they ask of her, and accepting that it's OK to cry for help. Thanks to Yuma. And Kirika, of course.

Meanwhile, PMAS Oriko has had Brina trying to forcefeed her the SOCIAL and the 'hint' that her powers aren't the meaning of her life, so she's doing better also.
 
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Can we get our Grief manipulation small scale enough that we can separate out isotopes of an element?
I think some radioactive isotopes are sort after but are impractical to separate normally, and would therefore have a good price mark up.
(A quick look up says a gram of Pu-239 is worth about $5000.)
Now, whether producing the components of nuclear weapons in order to buy housing for homeless girls is a good idea or not....

We'd probably be better off selling precisely engraved objects, or registering Sabrina as a power plant with odd operating times.
 
Motile Mollusc said:
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Can we get our Grief manipulation small scale enough that we can separate out isotopes of an element?
I think some radioactive isotopes are sort after but are impractical to separate normally, and would therefore have a good price mark up.
(A quick look up says a gram of Pu-239 is worth about $5000.)
Now, whether producing the components of nuclear weapons in order to buy housing for homeless girls is a good idea or not....

We'd probably be better off selling precisely engraved objects, or registering Sabrina as a power plant with odd operating times.
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I'll laugh if we end up an employee of the Shizukis. :V

Then we won't be a delinquent any more!
 
Someone way upthread suggested purifying silicon. I think that refining rare earths and other minerals that are used in electronics manufacturing would be very useful, myself.
 
Honestly we could probably grief up a way to split atoms into their component neutrons and electrons and such and then recombine them into whatever element we want. And since the mass isn't created from nothing it shouldn't degrade after leaving our influence like magical healing does.

the amount of release energy could be dangerous tho. I dunno.
 
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Mass industrial isn't the way to go, especially for things like silicon wafers for circuit production. For those kinds of things you're making huge industrial contracts that we simply won't be able to handle as a fly-by-night operation. Not unless we're willing to literally buy a ten-thousand-square-meter factory and then relentlessly memory-modify inspectors and corporate executives. No, that's not going to work.

What will work is on-demand exotic fabrication for research labs. Machining crazy custom parts out of special alloys to near-impossible tolerances for high-energy physics labs, delivering milligram or microgram quantities of samples of large molecules that're isotopically pure including exactly one 14​C atom in a specific place so a chemistry lab can track that one atom through a reaction, fabricate damn near any kind of wonky physical structure for materials science labs to look at, etc. We could crank out a million-dollar job an hour, or even faster.
 
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The Narrator said:
Someone way upthread suggested purifying silicon. I think that refining rare earths and other minerals that are used in electronics manufacturing would be very useful, myself.
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Well we could, but my vague recollections of 2011 tell me that right "now" is smack in the middle of the time that China is using monopolistic business practices to flood the market with cheap rare earths and force all other rare earth mining operations out of business already, so it might not be the best time to do it. There's also the problem of regulatory hurdles: if we're registering as a mining company then we need to provide documentation as to where these minerals are coming from. Are we mining somewhere? Where's our mining rights? Have we done the environmental legwork? Claiming that we're filtering from the ocean is even more likely to be scrutinized, because there are a lot of groups that get involved if we're potentially endangering cute dolphins or someone else's fishing enterprise.

All in all, mining is a tough field to break into with no ID and no history in the industry. That's why I'm suggesting something more computer-science related: there's a lot less regulation in that space, and startup costs are much lower.
 
TheEyes said:
Well we could, but my vague recollections of 2011 tell me that right "now" is smack in the middle of the time that China is using monopolistic business practices to flood the market with cheap rare earths and force all other rare earth mining operations out of business already, so it might not be the best time to do it.
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It might not be the best time to do it unless we want to singlehandedly get into a trade war with China.

There's always an unless.

TheEyes said:
There's also the problem of regulatory hurdles: if we're registering as a mining company then we need to provide documentation as to where these minerals are coming from.
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Openly state that we're creating them by magic. Demonstrate for anyone who comes to inspect our stuff. :V
 
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One of these days, I want us to go to Oriko's and have a heart to heart with her.

Tell her how much we know about her; how much we want to be her friend... promise to be the best friend we can is she wants; tell her that, if she needs anyone to talk with, we're available, and we'll keep anything she says in confidence, secret.

And tell her we don't actually have amnesia, though the tea is still appreciated.

It's really mostly all about that last moment, really. We should make sure she's about to drink when we explain the no amnesia part.

Though I would like us to be closer friends with Oriko. I wonder if we can talk with Homura about the house arrest thing again.

Green tea, though...
 
Onmur said:
You can just check her wiki page. Her mom died when she was young; her dad hung himself not long ago.
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*hanged

Hanged is used for hanging. Hung is used for the nonlethal variety.

Also, Kirika's parents aren't "losers". We don't know anything about them, other than the fact that they were visibly concerned about Kirika not being back home despite it being rather late out.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
*hanged

Hanged is used for hanging. Hung is used for the nonlethal variety.

Also, Kirika's parents aren't "losers". We don't know anything about them, other than the fact that they were visibly concerned about Kirika not being back home despite it being rather late out.
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The Kures need to be... well, we should try and talk to them, after getting consent from Oriko and Kirika.

We should see about whether we can help Kirika's family situation before jumping into telling them about magic.
 
Phigment said:
If you're willing to just cop to having magic, you're trying too hard. There's a lot of low hanging fruit out there.
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I think Kyuubey would probably mindwipe these folk, assuming they exist in a universe where girls probably have come up and actually obtained those prizes.

Although, most of them stipulate "Paranormal" means that science doesn't apply but... Science applies to everything by definition? So our powers wouldn't actually qualify, because we can SCIENCE them...
 
Vebyast said:
Mass industrial isn't the way to go, especially for things like silicon wafers for circuit production. For those kinds of things you're making huge industrial contracts that we simply won't be able to handle as a fly-by-night operation. Not unless we're willing to literally buy a ten-thousand-square-meter factory and then relentlessly memory-modify inspectors and corporate executives. No, that's not going to work.

What will work is on-demand exotic fabrication for research labs. Machining crazy custom parts out of special alloys to near-impossible tolerances for high-energy physics labs, delivering milligram or microgram quantities of samples of large molecules that're isotopically pure including exactly one 14​C atom in a specific place so a chemistry lab can track that one atom through a reaction, fabricate damn near any kind of wonky physical structure for materials science labs to look at, etc. We could crank out a million-dollar job an hour, or even faster.
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There's also a delivery/courier service, once we get enough teleporters. Being able to instantly teleport to any point in another city within a given country is impossible to beat with technology. The issue is scale--once the business grows enough, demand would probably exceed the capacity we can transport with what teleporters we have.

However, there is another possibility: selling enchanted objects with functions useful to non-mages, with the stipulation that they'd be informed about the magical world and sworn to secrecy. Things like Nadia's translation dictionary would be pretty useful for businesspeople whom are trying to sell things or make deals with businesses in foreign nations, or a lie-detector for an investigator/interrogator. Of course, that's assuming that such objects are usable by non-mages, which isn't entirely clear.

There's also hired services: mind-readers and empaths for helping a client in negotiations with other businesses, or investigators, etc. Teleporters for businessmen that need to travel between cities a lot. Healers for those with injuries that mundane medicine can't heal (or to reverse/mitigate aging). Hackers to steal business secrets (admittedly, we'd have to be very careful not to cross certain lines with this kind of thing--like not getting into politics or taking national security secrets unless it's from a nation like North Korea, not stealing secrets from businesses in other nations, not facilitating theft, etc.) or to publicly expose corrupt officials or businessmen. Clairvoyants to scout out locations that the police want to raid (such as Yakuza safehouses). The key issue is how to deal with the secrecy surrounding magic--Kyubey might be wary about so many more people being in the know. Or the bigger issue would be how to arrange for payment without getting caught.

Phigment said:
If you're willing to just cop to having magic, you're trying too hard. There's a lot of low hanging fruit out there.
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Kyubey would absolutely veto any of that, though. It's one thing to establish a secret business relationship with one or two people. It's another to provide publicly verifiable scientific evidence of supernatural phenomena.
 
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