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Aranfan said:
Where were the calculations on how much a grief seed was worth?
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If you think of it as basically having medical insurance with all expenses totally covered for as long as the seed lasts...

Google's shit at providing useful results on this topic, but apparently high-value health plans that cost >$40K per year exist, putting a grief seed (which lasts about two weeks) in the $1,000-$2,000 range. Except magical healing can fix things that would be even more expensive or downright impossible for normal medicine. And grief seeds, once used and lost to Kyubey, are irreplaceable.

Basically, they're priceless, even before you consider that each one cost a human life.


@Firnagzen just to clarify, are the two Grief Seeds that Kyouko had when we last saw her no longer present?
 
I just got an idea for when we're experimenting with Mami's ribbons again. Make a ribbon ball. Attempt to channel a grief attraction field through it. See if that amplifies the strength or range. (This seems like an electromagnetic field problem, if there's a better shape for a cleansing antenna substitute whatever ribbon shape works best)

Edit: Looks like a ribbon coil might be better. How to Create a Powerful Magnetic Field
 
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I'm seriously considering whether we should refuse to lower our visibility unless Kyubey's willing to do something useful for us in return by helping us contact Kuroki and Hideyoshi. Maybe even threaten to make ourselves more visible by emitting extra light and radio waves when we travel.
 
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I'm seriously considering whether we should refuse to lower our visibility unless Kyubey's willing to do something useful for us in return by helping us contact Kuroki and Hideyoshi. Maybe even threaten to make ourselves more visible by emitting extra light and radio waves when we travel.
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He could trivially use that against us as ammunition to poison our reputation, though, with the right spin. I'd like to get a second opinion on Hideyoshi before contacting her anyway - there's no freaking way QB would tell us to contact her unless us doing so somehow helps him get Madoka to contract.

Since she's near Asunaro, my first thought is that she has some kind of history with the Pliades that QB can leverage to make that social link harder, but that's just a wild guess. There's undoubtedly something, though.
 
The real gold there is Kuroki. Chances are good that she'll witch before we're able to find her, if we don't get assistance or luck.

Which sucks because she'd not only be another Meguca saved but she'd also be a valuable member of our team and could potentially be a very interesting character. :cry: Maybe we should see if we can use Mami's ribbons to extend our Griefsense to a size that we can plausibly sweep the whole city with? Depends on the particulars of how that works though.
 
Hmm. Trying to think this through, QB knows that we're paranoid about him and will want to confirm what Hideyoshi is like before talking to her. If QB knows that Mami doesn't know what Hideyoshi's is like, then QB knows that any information we get has to be either from our own metaknowledge, or from Homura. By picking someone who he believes that Oriko had no reason to look for (shy, unlikely to do much of note unless prodded), he can limit the effects of her precog on his readings.

Since we have to assume it can do the "microexpressions for honesty" thing or otherwise determine truth based of physiological reactions, by bringing her up, he already learned a limit to our metaknowledge, since now he knows we don't know who she is.

If we later interact with her in a way that doesn't avoid the poison pill, whatever it is, then he learns a limit to Homura's extra knowledge as well, plus we have to deal with whatever that fallout is. Following that logic, the correct response would be to talk to both Homura and Oriko in private, and then not go meet Hideyoshi regardless of what they say.

On the other hand, it theoretically could be a double bluff, where he expects us to follow the prior train of logic, in which case he can use it to keep us out of her city. If there's someone else who would be useful to us there, it might even be both scenarios at once - a win/win/win for QB.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
Hmm. Trying to think this through, QB knows that we're paranoid about him and will want to confirm what Hideyoshi is like before talking to her. If QB knows that Mami doesn't know what Hideyoshi's is like, then QB knows that any information we get has to be either from our own metaknowledge, or from Homura.
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Don't forget our newest best buddy the Flying Juggernaut. :V
 
I wonder if we can create a broadwave telepathic broadcast and just ask for Kuroki.
 
Always Happening said:
Magical girls are capable of telepathy because Kyubey acts as a mind-to-mind router. It's imminently possible we wouldn't even know where to start without him.
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This. If QB didn't feel like cooperating, we couldn't telepathy Mami, much less some random. (Well. We could figure something out with her ribbon, maybe. But it wouldn't work anything like the telepathy we normally use.)
 
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Firnagzen said:
Yes, they're no longer present.
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Well, fuck. That means that something has gone really wrong.

Redshirt Army said:
On the other hand, it theoretically could be a double bluff, where he expects us to follow the prior train of logic, in which case he can use it to keep us out of her city. If there's someone else who would be useful to us there, it might even be both scenarios at once - a win/win/win for QB.
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If we turn into Vizzini any refuse to do anything for fear that it could somehow be part of Kyubey's plan, then we'll be crippled by indecision and Kyubey wins without a fight.
 
More drafting, following from:
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[] Offer cleansing. Ask if her opinion on the clear seed hasn't changed. Inform her of which groups you've distributed seeds to (but also that Ishinomaki declined).
-[] If she insists on repaying us for it, having her give us entirely filled grief seeds would be useful - you can use both the containers and the actual grief itself. (She'll possibly open up about what happened to her seeds given this prod. If she doesn't, don't push.)

[] Discuss Sayaka's lessons:
- [] Telepathy Sayaka, then determine a schedule. Mitakihara is playing host to some guests tonight, but after that anytime should be alright.
-- [] A few times a week in the evening, perhaps once a weekend as well?
- [] Offer skilled professional consulting rates as payment. You could discuss letting her hunt in some parts of Mitakihara with Mami, as well. For both, try to avoid it feeling like charity.

[] Offer to connect her with Inoue Yuuki in Ishinomaki - her magic lets her hack various systems to insert records, and she does commissions.

[] Head to Asunaro, ditch the utility fog for first impressions purposes.
- [] Present yourself as you actually are: cheerful dweeb who wants to help but has the ability to actually do so.

Draft V 2.0.

I'm concerned that mentioning hunting on Mami's territory might set her off...
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[] After giving Kyouko time to eat, ask her to reconsider taking a Clean Seed, tell her about how you've distributed them out.
-[] Ask her to not give Seeds to Kyuubey. <- not sure

[] Discuss Sayaka.
-[Q] Did she find her cute?
-[] But first, ask her about her hunting situation, and ask/propose she starts hunting in Mitakihara. There's way too many Witches there. Also, she could hunt with Sayaka as training.
-[] Telepathy Sayaka and discuss all together the details of her training.
-[] Offer to pay Kyouko the same rates as any professional worker should. If she haggles, do so as well.

[] Offer to connect her with Inoue Yuuki, the hackerguca.

[] Head to Asunaro, ditch the utility fog for first impressions purposes.
-[] Present yourself as you actually are: cheerful dweeb who wants to help but has the ability to actually do so.
-[] Show off Utility Fog by putting it back on.
 
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[x] Give Kyoko and Yuma a clear seed. Refuse to take no for an answer. They are far too close to the edge with a reserve of 0.
 
[X] After giving Kyouko time to eat, ask her to reconsider taking a Clean Seed, tell her about how you've distributed them out.
-[X] Ask her to not give Seeds to Kyuubey.

[X] Discuss Sayaka.
-[X] But first, ask her about her hunting situation, and ask/propose she starts hunting in Mitakihara. There's way too many Witches there. Also, she could hunt with Sayaka as training.
-[X] Telepathy Sayaka and discuss all together the details of her training.
-[X] Offer to pay Kyouko the same rates as any professional worker should. If she haggles, do so as well.

[X] Offer to connect her with Inoue Yuuki, the hackerguca.

[X] Head to Asunaro, ditch the utility fog for first impressions purposes.
-[X] Present yourself as you actually are: cheerful dweeb who wants to help but has the ability to actually do so.
-[X] Show off Utility Fog by putting it back on.
 
[X] After giving Kyouko time to eat, ask her to reconsider taking a Clean Seed, tell her about how you've distributed them out.
-[X] Ask her to not give used Seeds to Kyuubey, since you can use them. Delicately find out what happened to her Grief Seeds.

[X] Discuss Sayaka.
-[X] But first, ask her about her hunting situation, and ask if she'd be alright hunting in Mitakihara if Mami okays it. Also, she could hunt with Sayaka as training.
--[X] If Kyouko's situation seems urgent, ask Mami immediately.
-[X] Telepathy Sayaka and together discuss the details of her training (frequency, times, etc.)
-[X] Offer to pay Kyouko the same rates as a skilled professional consultant. If she haggles, do so as well.

[X] Offer to connect her with Inoue Yuuki, the hackerguca.

[X] Head to Asunaro, ditch the utility fog for first impressions purposes.
-[X] Present yourself as you actually are: cheerful dweeb who wants to help but has the ability to actually do so.

My edit. Cut some lines, added some others.
 
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I haven't surveyed the current options closely so I don't know what the current plans are, which means that I can craft a vote ex nihilo for the sake of independent brainstorming.

Definite target postconditions:
  • Kyouko's cleansing situation is more stable.
  • Kyouko doesn't feel like she's a charity case.
  • Training with Sayaka is all hammered out.
  • Open better lines of communication with Kyouko.
Proposed target postconditions:
  • Something with the Church?
  • Talk Mami-Kyouko.
Proposed actions to take:
  • Ask about the cleansing situation.
  • Ask about the psychological situation.
  • Schedule Sayaka training.
  • Pay Kyouko for Sayaka training.
  • Tell Kyouko that we talked about her with Mami.
Thoughts:
  • IIRC we already put Kyouko in touch with hackerguca and don't need to do that again.
  • We talked with Mami about making up with Kyouko. She's okay with us trying to help.
  • I think that Kyouko tends to prefer the direct approach.
  • We may want to keep in mind that Yuma is in the room.
  • We didn't learn that Kyouko lost her Grief Seeds. This indicates a lack of communication that could be catastrophic. We must improve our ability to talk with Kyouko.
  • I haven't found what the result was of our last talk with Kyouko about Mami, so I'm not sure what the next step there is.
  • It might be reasonable to attach Mami to the conversation where we schedule training with Kyouko, if only so she knows what's up. On the other hand, she might be in class, so I dunno. I'll write it up for suggestion anyway.
  • Talk scheduling first and money later. Results come first; we do whatever we need to ensure that Sayaka's education is top-tier and we'll figure out appropriate compensation later.


[] Shift most of the utility fog to stealthed spheres. Retain just enough to maintain local omniscience. Ask Kyouko if that's better.

[] Talk to Kyouko about Mami. Tell her that you told Mami and that she's okay with it.
-[] Tell Kyouko that Mami... is hurting, but getting better. And that if making up is possible, and you think it is, she'd like it.

[] While that's happening, telepathy Mami.
-[] Tell her that you're going to be scheduling with Sayaka and Kyouko. Ask her if she wants to listen in.
-[] If she wants, you can do the magic thing again so you feel like sort of like you're there with her.

[] Telepathy Sayaka. Schedule training.

[] Discuss payment.
-[] Offer a good hourly rate for contracting.
-[] Offer a clear seed.

[] Speaking of clear seeds... ask Kyouko what's up.

Break vote there so we're not trying to do everything at once. Kyouko's reaction will give us a starting point for a vote focused on that topic, and it does deserve a whole vote focused on it.
 
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