I don't see how that supports your point on the necessity of permanent bad ends on quests though?
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Their is no reason known to us why telling Homura about the P-Bomb would cause a bad end, The only reason we know is because lo and behold the GM told us he would cause bad things, despite saying earlier in the quest that he doesn't cause bad things for 'no good reason' yet the only reason we didn't is because he said it would cause bad things. The GM telling us what causes bad things is simple his way of letting him blindside us later because he is railroading us from being unable to do anything about it despite us getting in story information on it, which means he effectively fucking with us on the matter and railroading us into a shit situation that almost everyone in the thread believes will end fine anyway because Madoka's Wish means we cant fucking fail from their point of view and thus were going to win because we cant fail.
Their is no point in playing a game that cant be lost because winning doesn't matter because it's going to happen no matter what. No challenge, no point. No question, no point. Overpowered and being railroad into success? Only done in horrible stories. A permentate bad end should only happen after multiple moronic choices or a situation that you are given per warning and/or perpetrations, a bad end due to a single choice that we have no in character reasoning for it to be so shouldn't even be a thing and yet is in this quest which is one hell of a mark and fear to cause railroad which I despise in quests.
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Informing us if we don't try to solve a problem something horrible will happen, and then telling us that something horrible will happen if we try to deal with it is railroading us into forcing us to have a horrible thing happen no matter what we do.
Uh huh.
- We resorted to threatening to witchout Kirika just so Oriko would cooperate
- Accidentally de-gemming Sakura Tachibana
- The whole Ishinomaki-Sendai debacle that ended with Akio catatonic, and more importantly, whole swaths of a city wrecked, dozens of injured, and two dead people who had nothing to do with that conflict
- Sayaka's abduction and contracting
- The meta bomb leaving Mami very shaken and emotionally fragile
- Our slip of the tongue WRT Walpurgisnacht while Madoka was in the same room, eroding Homura's confidence in Sabrina.
My point is, we are not being railroaded to avoid committing mistakes, to 'fixing everything' perfectly. And those mistakes have lasting consequences. Not game-ending one, but consequences we are constantly facing, like every time we cleanse Sayaka's gem, or being there for Mami at the barest hint of emotional distress.
We only received a similar warning once before, when we almost voted to make a grief awning. Please, please tell me how that would have ended the quest.
We got that warning, and this one, is not just because of the negative consequences, but IMO Firm predicted that it would have turned the thread into a toxic Industrial Salt Accident. People would be shit flinging blame all around, mods would come barging in, thread gets locked. Worst case scenario is the Quest effectively ends not because anything in-game, but because the participants have a burning hate each other and/or Firm gets fed up with the 100 pages of drama.
I don't see it as railroading. I see it as communicating with thread. That some ideas might not have been accurately interpreted or missed out completely. And as important as preserving player agency is, it's also important to make sure that the thread atmosphere remains healthy. The people participate in the quest not out of stressful obligation, but (mostly) for fun.
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Dare I suggest that his policy of "not causing bad things for no reason" might be why he gave a warning, there?
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Creating a large Grief object while with a bunch of Magical Girls who can sense grief and the only known things to give off grief like that are witches, sounds like the sort of like pulling out an explosive and priming it while within sight of several law enforcement in the middle of a public area. Possibility of death because were not unkillable sounds very high.
Reread that arc again. We have been using grief constructs all through the the day. Making a grief awning would have alarmed them, made us look like an absolute ass, alarmed the muggles in and around the Cafe, and make the Ishinomaki girls doubt our sanity, and maybe start all sorts of rumors about us that would have had a lasting impact on future meetings with other meguca groups.
But not suddenly kill us due to a twitchy trigger finger... While everybody was untransformed at that time. And Mami Fucking Tomoe at our side) and Kirika too).
Try again.
Also, good job dismissing the majority of my post.
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Pulling out a massive grief construct while everyone else was effectively unarmed?! Ya no
Caused no lasting damage considering Homura just blew off and then we reattached someone's head. No lasting damaged
Nothing to say to this.
Most people in tread seem to be utterly happy with how that all turned out now, "after all she wished good didn't she?"
Mami is emotional fragile news at 11.
all trust lost was already resorted. no lasting damage done.
Okay, ignoring your attempt at goalposts shifting... you're still utterly convinced that Firn's railroading us?Pulling out a massive grief construct while everyone else was effectively unarmed?! Ya no
Caused no lasting damage considering Homura just blew off and then we reattached someone's head. No lasting damaged
Nothing to say to this.
Most people in tread seem to be utterly happy with how that all turned out now, "after all she wished good didn't she?"
Mami is emotional fragile news at 11.
all trust lost was already resorted. no lasting damage done.
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And we had to go to extra effort to fix our mistake. That's a fairly reasonable consequence for players who make a bad decision, to have to go to some extra effort to set things right.
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In the matter that he warned us of the problem that we had to fix and then told us all attempts to fix it will cause bad things? Yes.
And sometimes bridges get burned in order to fix/set other things right.
I will stop because clearly everyone else and I wont be convincing each other on this any time soon.
Karnewarrior
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Am I the only one who noticed that when someone gets threadbanned for a specific brand of abrasiveness, someone else in the thread who had thus far been totally chill suddenly has their own personal and unique brand of abrasiveness come to the forefront?
Ubeone was cool in the Sayaka Quest threads I read. Sereg was cool until UbeOne was banned. And now that Sereg has been banned, Speck is getting on people's nerves on the regular all the sudden. I'm worried that if this escalates to the point that Speck gets threadbanned it'll jump to someone else, like Aura or Vebyast or Redshirt.
And then who will make our bandwagons?
Ubeone was cool in the Sayaka Quest threads I read. Sereg was cool until UbeOne was banned. And now that Sereg has been banned, Speck is getting on people's nerves on the regular all the sudden. I'm worried that if this escalates to the point that Speck gets threadbanned it'll jump to someone else, like Aura or Vebyast or Redshirt.
And then who will make our bandwagons?
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I'm sorry, what? I have never been threadbanned. And I've never posted in Sayaka Quest.
Edit: Perhaps you mean Ugolino?
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DB_Explorer
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Or you did, regretted it and wiped everyones memories - including your own.
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No it was Sereg first here, then he got banned, and that's when Ugo became abrasive.
Onmur
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I'd say something about Ono, but who cares about Ono?
I also vaguely recall something banana shaped too, but I'm just baffled as to what that one is.I'd say something about Ono, but who cares about Ono?
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Oh no, this is why Sabrina first woke up with no memories!
Heh. Remember the awning?
Aranfan
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Ugo was highly abrasive way before sereg entered the thread.
AuraTwilight
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Speck has never not been abrasive.
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That was before my time, although people have talked about it. Sabrina's done her fair share of silly stuff just for the fun of it, and it's a big part of her charm.
I was mostly thinking of my tabletop gaming experiences when I wrote that line. I had one friend who tended to do a lot of goofy and outrageous stuff in games, usually to the great amusement of the group. But there was one time in a game I was running when he started to spin out an idea that was going to create a way bigger headache than I think he'd realized, so I told him, "Look, if we're going to go ahead with this zany scheme, then I need to have a better idea of what you intend to accomplish besides, 'Hilarity Ensues'."
Karnewarrior
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I do, sorry. Somehow I got the two of you confused in my rush to get to school, and I apologize.
Whoo, busy few days.
This, yes. Plus the notion of "well I didn't win, so clearly those are counterfactual like your memories of Fukushima or something"
This, a dozen times over. I'm already trying to cut back on the vitriol generated!
Yo. Stop sniping.