Would rather help Mumi with homework then the both her and Sabrina could work together on enchant practice.
We can just put it as:

'Help Mami with homework and practice your natural Enchantment with Mami's help.'

And let them work it out.

Lot of homework/enchanting is solo work, so I figure they'll work in parallel except when one needs help.
 
Could'nt we just buy a sofa bed or two if futons won't be enough? Might raise a few eyebrows, but there shouldn't be any laws against a teenager buying some furniture.
 
Not without Madoka's permission, and it's not inconceivable that we need a room ready by Tuesday night. We have access to a ready made living space right now, and should make use of it to buy time to set up more beds for the Mamigold Hotel chain.
[Q] Tell Homu you forgot something.
-[Q] Does she terribly mind if you two go take over the Yakuza right now? It'd make getting accomodations for meguca so much easier.

Venture Co said:
OK, she can't be serious.

...

Oh my god.
Away Team said:
SunsetAurora said:
You dense motherfucker.
THE MOON said:
Well, there go our last Social Counters.

I'm certain I argued we should have kept some in case of emergencies, but nope, it doesn't matter until right now that Sabrina's brain damage decides to rear it's ugly head.

We're basically screwed.
Venture Co said:
DinBstigator said:
*Adjusts glasses*

Yeah, it's brain damage.
Rainbowhands said:
[Q]Witch out for super powers
Ayanami said:
Papers.

Let me think. We can probably salvage this. @Sohryu.
Sohryu said:
We probably should disengage hugs before Homura gets uncomfortable with them.
Ayanami said:
Yes, and we need a witty rebuttal, maybe we can gain a Social Counter if we play our cards right.
Sohryu said:
Ayanami said:
And break timestop while Sabrina's befuddled.
Sohryu said:
I'm not sure we can swing that with literally 0 Social Counters.
Ayanami said:
We can hope.

EDIT: Oh my god. Why
Sohryu said:
"If someone tells me that it's wrong to hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every time."

EDIT: Guys, you can stop hugging these posts now.
Supreme Canine said:
But it's so beautiful, wan.

We all stopped posting so you two could have your heart to heart, wan.

And it was beautiful.

Wan.
 
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I vote that we use our flawless multitasking and perfect ability to emit photons to conduct the real-world equivalent of a glider synthesis for a pair of mattresses.

Um.

How does a construction within a cellular automaton map onto a construction out of photons? Why not just grief up a mattress, or grief up a drexler assembler that can build a mattress?

Pls help, I'm no smart
 
Um.

How does a construction within a cellular automaton map onto a construction out of photons? Why not just grief up a mattress, or grief up a drexler assembler that can build a mattress?

Pls help, I'm no smart
You know how matter and antimatter annihilate to produce nothing but energy? The most commonly-known form of annihilation, electrons and positrons, annihilate to form pairs of high-energy photons. Well, the physics for that are actually such that, under the right conditions, you can run that reaction in reverse, to get an electron-positron pair out of a couple of gamma rays: Matter creation.

Now, doing this for things bigger than electrons and positrons is horribly nasty. You have to get deep into particle physics to find useful syntheses. And the overwhelmingly vast majority of the syntheses are particle-antiparticle pairs that aren't useful to us, so we have to get into big-bang baryogenesis, where little hiccups in the universe's symmetry laws let you make particles without the also making the corresponding antiparticles. And that's all hideously high-energy so we'd have to do it in a grief-sphere to capture the leftovers, and so on and so forth. But it'd be a really fun science experiment.

The call to cellular automata is due to the similarity of the mechanism. In a glider synthesis, you shoot quantized bits of organized self-propagating disturbance in the automaton at each other and they interfere and lose coherence but eventually decompose and recohere into some other useful structure. We'd be doing the same thing, except with bits of quantized bits of organized self-propagating disturbances in ~physics~ and they interfere and collapse into atoms.

Doing it with a griefy nanoassembler is a much better plan.
 
I'd rather Sayaka try growing these things with her plant powers. We already know that Sabrina can make nanoassemblers, so seeing if Sayaka can manage or if it'll take a lot more practice will help future scheduling more.
I was going to say, it would be a lot less dangerous to just get some fabric to make stuff out of instead of running some sort of reverse-annihilation project that would require gigatons-of-TNT levels of energy. And since Sayaka can use her (borrowed) powers to grow cotton, we don't even need to pay for fabric.
 
Or buy beds.

Or get everyone to sleep over at Oriko's. Mami and Sabrina included. You know since Homu stays up all night, she can keep watch. :p
 
If it comes down to it, buying furniture is a lot easier than renting real estate. Paying in cash with no ID shouldn't be a problem.
 
I will give input on this vote when I'm not suspiciously functional for what is really 3AM. Without having eaten dinner. I really don't understand how I'm not falling over ATM. Uh.

[] Float bed enchantments. What even?
 
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I feel like, in this last update, we were kind of tone-deaf to Homura's worries. She's coming at this from an angle of "I promised a dying Madoka that I wouldn't let her get trapped in this system", not "the things I've done are shameful and I can't bear Madoka learning of them". Homura is willing to become a devil to give Madoka happiness/save her. I don't think she'd object so much to Madoka learning about Homura's sins.

We could try assuring Homura that the circumstances are wildly different between this loop and the third loop, where Madoka asked this of Homura. Namely, that things are hopeful, not hopeless--with Sabrina around, Madoka as a magical girl wouldn't be caught in the same kind of "live dangerously, die young, pray your Soul Gem is shattered rather than turning into a Witch" trap that she would have in previous loops. Indeed, that trap no longer applies to even Homura, Mami, Kyouko, and Sayaka themselves. In other words, Madoka contracting wouldn't be the kind of tragic, doomed fate she suffered in those early loops--we'd make sure of it. Even in the worst-case scenario, it wouldn't be a bad end--Madoka could still live a full, normal life, even as a magical girl, with Sabrina and her Clear Seeds around.
 
The weird thing is that none of us voted to say that, and I'm not sure where any of it's coming from. We were supposed to be correcting her misconception about what Madoka actually asked her to do--that is, to not let Kyubey trick her--rather than buying into the delusion that Madoka must not Wish.

We were also supposed to bring up why we think talking to Madoka about the time loops will help, namely that, once Madoka realizes exactly how much pain she's causing Homura by throwing her soul away she'll be convinced to not do it. We didn't do that either. Frankly Sabrina didn't do anything that our vote directed her to do, except for the hugs and cleansing, and instead went off on a bunch of non-sequitur tangents, followed by a repeated promise that we wouldn't tell Madoka about Homura's past if she didn't want us to.
Adhoc vote count started by Unhacker on Jul 7, 2017 at 6:33 AM, finished with 120386 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X] Hug and comfort Homura. This is her worst memory -- act accordingly empathetic and understanding, and cleanse regularly throughout.
    -[X] Very gently and carefully: You know what happened. How Madoka asked not to let Kyuubey trick her again. What she asked Homura to do. But keeping her from being tricked doesn't mean keeping her in the dark.
    -[X] Explain why you think Madoka wouldn't wish, from your knowledge of loops that didn't happen. That if Madoka knows what Homura has done to protect her, she will only wish if all other hope is lost. That won't happen this time.
    -[X] You know Homura has tried to tell others about the loops before, and how hard it is for her to talk about it because of everything she's been through. But she's not alone any more. You won't tell Madoka about it if Homura doesn't want you to, but you can help her with it.
    [x] Sabrina
    [X] Hug and comfort Homura. This is her worst memory -- act accordingly empathetic and understanding, and cleanse regularly throughout.
    -[X] Very gently and carefully: You know what happened. How Madoka asked not to let Kyuubey trick her again. What she asked Homura to do. But keeping her from being tricked doesn't mean keeping her in the dark.
    -[X] Explain why you think Madoka wouldn't wish, from your knowledge of loops that didn't happen. That if Madoka knows what Homura has done to protect her, she will only wish if all other hope is lost. That won't happen this time.
    -[X] You know Homura has tried to tell others about the loops before, and how hard it is for her to talk about it because of everything she's been through. But she's not alone any more. You won't tell Madoka about it if Homura doesn't want you to, but you can help her with it.
    -[X] If she feels more comfortable showing us than telling us, we may be able to grief up something that could convert her memories to film or something. She'd still be in control.
    [X] Hug and comfort Homura. Be empathetic and understanding, and cleanse regularly throughout.
    -[X] Very gently and carefully: You know what happened. How Madoka asked not to let Kyuubey trick her again.
    --[X] Or is this something you're wrong about too?
    -[X] If she feels more comfortable showing us than telling us, we may be able to grief up something that could convert her memories to film or something. She'd still be in control.
    --[X] But keeping Madoka from being tricked doesn't mean keeping her in the dark.
    -[X] Explain why you think Madoka wouldn't wish, from your knowledge of loops that didn't happen.
    -[X] Reassure Homura that you won't tell Madoka about it if Homura doesn't want you to, but you can help her with it. She's not alone anymore.
 
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I really have my doubts about whether even Sabrina could keep Madoka from witching out. It seems to happen abnormally quickly due to the sheer amount of magic that she's using. I'm not sure we could keep up.

The weird thing is that none of us voted to say that, and I'm not sure where any of it's coming from:
Yeah, I assume that was Sabrina reacting to Homura's responses. Homura's demeanor didn't really give me the impression that Homura's anguish was driven by feelings of guilt specifically, but I suppose Firn would know better than we would.

I also didn't realize that the final version of the vote had omitted the parts about Kyubey preying on Madoka's ignorance, and knowing the consequences making her less likely to contract. That was the argument most likely to sway Homura, I thought. She didn't seem to put much stock in our claim to have knowledge of loops that never happened.
 
I kinda disagree with the point in the vote about going home. It's worth having the plan, but there is no way I'm going to be okay with glossing over the Mami dinner date as the middle bit of a single update. Not unless Firn puts out an unprecedented 6K or something.
[Q] Correct Homura.
-[Q] It's "that won't be necessary", not "that isn't necessary".
No no, she was right: It will be necessary at some point in the future, but it isn't now.

Point. We're going to be focusing on defensive magic items during the day before Asunaro tomorrow, so I'll probably cut that down to just practicing Grief Control enchantment during my next revision.

Hmm. I almost forgot about something super important. Should we try and contact Koko before the date, or after it...? If we're distracted and not giving Mami our full attention now, she'll notice, especially given that we just did a timestop chat in front of her.

I'm leaning towards confirming training is happening with her after the dinner with Mami wraps up, at the moment.

Our schedule for tomorrow is probably looking something like:

• Wake up, breakfast, escort Mami to school, etc.
• Prolonged defensive speckled magic enchantment session, focussing on immediately useful long term practical effects.
• Meet with Koko and apply payment directly to the forehead.
• Lunch
• Contact her for permission, then do some basic remodelling to get Oriko's warehouse hideout up to full livability standards. (If not for the Asunaro girls, then for the Shiogama girls, which are homeless and due here any day now.)
• EXECUTE PLAN: CAW CAW (But actually just pick up Kazuza like a sane person. Well. Mostly sane.)
• Asunaro Social Wheeeeee~!
• Maybe some Sayaka training or witch hunting or something, I dunno.
• Sleepover with Kazuza, probably.

That schedule needs two alterations: One, we're already scheduled to pick Up Michiru at 11 AM
"... how about I go over there at, say, eleven, pick you up, and be back in time to meet up for lunchtime?" you hazard. "Would that work?"

"That works for me!" Michiru says.

"That-" Mami swallows. "That would work."

[snip]
"Hm... if you're coming over for lunch, would you like us to prepare something?" you ask.

"Lunch swap!" Michiru says decisively. "I'll cook something, and you cook something."

"Sounds good," you say.

Mami smiles, a little. "I'd like that," she says.

"Then it's decided," you say.

So yeah, we don't want to be late for that. (Just for the sake of putting in in the thread, when it comes to looking up flight time to Asunaro, it occurs to me that just looking up where Ishinomaki and Sendai are in relation to it should be enough to to get a rough idea of our airspeed so we know when we have to leave.)

Schedule issue #2 is the the fact that we need a slot to talk to Sayaka tomorrow. Either during lunch or, far more likely, afternoon/evening.

So we at least need to move up Asunaro CAW CAW and pencil in Sayakatalk.

On which note...



If it's deemed advisable, I still have a question I'd like to ask Homura.

Tomorrow I want us to fill in Sayaka on our metaknowledge, at the very least, and possibly also talk to Sayaka about whatever it is that's up with her.

However, as a result of this, the witchbomb may come up. It's not something I intend to actively raise tomorrow, but we've seen the results of keeping big secrets from Sayaka, and if we tell her that we know everything she may ask us about secrets.

So I want to see if what it's safe/unsafe to tell her and, to my knowledge I haven't found anything on how Sayaka reacts to the witchbomb outside of Rebellion. (Which implies she reacts both well and empathically, but that's after she's been kinda-sorta dewitched herself and an unspecified amount of time to work through the issue.) There's her dismissing Homura's claims in canon, whatever the details of them actually were, and as far as I know that's it.

So as a result I'd like to broach the idea of asking Homura about Sayaka and how she reacts to the witchbomb in Homura's experience. Something like:

[]One last thing, you want to talk about Sayaka. You'd like advice on the witchbomb, and how she generally handles learning about it.

(There's also another aspect in my consideration here: As we start taking refugees in, the general infohazard quotient is going to increase, both to us and to the refugees. If we act outside the city during that time, we're not going to be around to solve everything. So having our friends informed not only nullifies those threats, it also gives them an avenue of help. Which I imagine Sayaka will deem especially important.)

(Related and conversely, the witchbomb isn't just a big secret, it's also a big secret for Sayaka to keep. Including from Mami. When it eventually is time, that should probably be laid out to Sayaka before we tell her.)

Other thoughts: While I would previously have also asked about past loop... reading between the lines... that doesn't sound like a good idea right now.
 
(Just for the sake of putting in in the thread, when it comes to looking up flight time to Asunaro, it occurs to me that just looking up where Ishinomaki and Sendai are in relation to it should be enough to to get a rough idea of our airspeed so we know when we have to leave.)
Little problem with that idea: it's not a real city. :p
 
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