Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
There's a difference between "this is a challenge but you can do it" and "this is impossible".
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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You may be overstating the severity of the outcome. I hope you are, anyway.
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... The QM simple stated the oriko warned us not to let her know, despite the fact that oriko has been wrong in the past when it comes to deal with situations that deal with Sabrina and Homura working together. So why the hell are you treating it as a unpassable wall?
Pumparum
another little crow
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grief cube!
The Narrator
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Here's the thing: Oriko never warned us not to tell Homura. If she had, you'd think that would have come up in the couple of years we spent discussing how to handle this issue. She warned us not to let Kyubey tell Homura. And the only way to possibly keep Kyubey from telling her is to get out ahead of it.
The only time that Homura raising Madoka's potential actually made things worse is between Loops 1 & 2. After that point, it didn't really matter. By Loop 2, Madoka already had the highest potential ever and would be #1 on Kyubey's list and destroy the world. After that point, making it any bigger didn't really make much of a difference.
Look, I've been playing and running tabletop RPGs for 16 years. The GM isn't supposed to be trying to screw the players over; seeing as how he's basically omnipotent and omniscient in the game, doing so would just be dickery on his part, not an accomplishment of any sort. He's supposed to be creating a story, presenting a challenge, and letting the players make choices, think creatively and--most important of all--have fun. If only one person is having fun by cheating everyone else, then it's not a game, it's just bullying.
The only time that Homura raising Madoka's potential actually made things worse is between Loops 1 & 2. After that point, it didn't really matter. By Loop 2, Madoka already had the highest potential ever and would be #1 on Kyubey's list and destroy the world. After that point, making it any bigger didn't really make much of a difference.
That's my point. It's not impossible. If it were, then Firn would not be playing fair.
Look, I've been playing and running tabletop RPGs for 16 years. The GM isn't supposed to be trying to screw the players over; seeing as how he's basically omnipotent and omniscient in the game, doing so would just be dickery on his part, not an accomplishment of any sort. He's supposed to be creating a story, presenting a challenge, and letting the players make choices, think creatively and--most important of all--have fun. If only one person is having fun by cheating everyone else, then it's not a game, it's just bullying.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
But Firn just did.
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That hint was sufficiently weird that I'm advo-cat-ing we wait for a bit more from him on that, given that it sent Aura into a thingy and everyone else bouncing about like ping-pong balls.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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Firn said that Oriko did, but Oriko didn't. And since when does Firn even do that in the first place?
Whole thing doesn't make any sense.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Firn's warned against fuckups plenty of times.
Remember the Grief awning?
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AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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Look, let's just go ahead with plan "Set her up to think of the loop progression as really good" like Phoenixian's vote does, and after the next update we'll suss out whether we should Potentialbomb from then onward.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Sure, but people are noting that Firn's warning this time is factually wrong in what he said. Even if the implication of what he's warning about remains clear and the warning is still present.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Feathers is effecting the GM...
Feather is the GM.
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... to quote myself
edit: sorry, quote ate my point; emphasis mine
And Oriko repeatedly said she sees the future, not the past.
She could have only learned of potential mechanics and the bomb from QB's ratmouth itself.
And we know he is only forthcoming with information if it suits its interests.
So Oriko may just be convinced by its rhetoric, nothing more.
and:
all my agreement, all of it.
Sad that I only have one rating for that post, because I too just do not see the supposed "problem" with the potentialbomb.
Only thing I could (maybe) see:
Anyone know a weird japanese thing or catholic thing that would make the potentialbomb live up to its hype?
edit: sorry, quote ate my point; emphasis mine
And Oriko repeatedly said she sees the future, not the past.
She could have only learned of potential mechanics and the bomb from QB's ratmouth itself.
And we know he is only forthcoming with information if it suits its interests.
So Oriko may just be convinced by its rhetoric, nothing more.
and:
all my agreement, all of it.
Sad that I only have one rating for that post, because I too just do not see the supposed "problem" with the potentialbomb.
Only thing I could (maybe) see:
Anyone know a weird japanese thing or catholic thing that would make the potentialbomb live up to its hype?
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[unsure confusion] Sorry to presume, but was that directed at me, because I (honestly) merely tried to float the idea that Firn just has a bit of fun being GM and making vaguely ominous but ultimately harmless statements without explicitly confirming one way or the other? [/unsure confusion]
I meant to quote that, but my selfquote ate it; and brb editing it in.
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Look I agree with Godwin here.
When the QM says, "Hey, remember this? Yeah remember how it's a warning?" ?
You listen.
Sometimes the most simplest of answers are the obvious ones.
When the QM says, "Hey, remember this? Yeah remember how it's a warning?" ?
You listen.
Sometimes the most simplest of answers are the obvious ones.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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GM: "Hey, remember when you were warned that doing X could cock everything up forever?"
SV: "Is the GM trolling, or trying to imply something else?"
Rational Response: "Let's assume the worst possible interpretation and not gamble with Homura's sanity, you fucking nutcases."
SV: "Is the GM trolling, or trying to imply something else?"
Rational Response: "Let's assume the worst possible interpretation and not gamble with Homura's sanity, you fucking nutcases."
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edit: derped with the media and this was supposed to be in response to godwinson and TheFanficAddict, sorry for possible confusion
[total confusion] But I do not think I do?
Like, with you telling this repeatedly I can definitely see an interpretation where that is the case, my first reading was merely it meaning
in my head, not necessarily true or correct (my reading), that oriko told us not to let homura know something not defined in post, especially as the posts directly above it do not seem to make a direct reference to it, so I read it to stand on its own to maybe make us read that into it, instead of it being what was said.
[/total confusion]
[sincere apology]
I may have used poor phrasing and I apologize for that (should not try myself at modern phrasing), but I with no word meant to try to doubt the QM and I accept and acknowledge his overriding power over anyone else arguing canon for this thread and story.
[/sincere apology]
[earnest and sincere]
I do not try to be an ass, really, and talking back against firn is like the last thing on my mind.
(I do not claim to be called an ass, that reaction just kinda makes me feel like I acted like one, somehow, was it the selfquoting? what can I do better? I am still pretty much a total Beginner in the art of forum posting, so please excuse my lack of knowledge pertaining to its intricacies)
[earnest and sincere]
I am feeling kinda bad about that, that I motivated such a reaction
[total confusion] But I do not think I do?
Like, with you telling this repeatedly I can definitely see an interpretation where that is the case, my first reading was merely it meaning
in my head, not necessarily true or correct (my reading), that oriko told us not to let homura know something not defined in post, especially as the posts directly above it do not seem to make a direct reference to it, so I read it to stand on its own to maybe make us read that into it, instead of it being what was said.
[/total confusion]
[sincere apology]
I may have used poor phrasing and I apologize for that (should not try myself at modern phrasing), but I with no word meant to try to doubt the QM and I accept and acknowledge his overriding power over anyone else arguing canon for this thread and story.
[/sincere apology]
[earnest and sincere]
I do not try to be an ass, really, and talking back against firn is like the last thing on my mind.(I do not claim to be called an ass, that reaction just kinda makes me feel like I acted like one, somehow, was it the selfquoting? what can I do better? I am still pretty much a total Beginner in the art of forum posting, so please excuse my lack of knowledge pertaining to its intricacies)
[earnest and sincere]
I am feeling kinda bad about that, that I motivated such a reaction
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
[X] Redshirt Army
Adhoc vote count started by Godwinson on Jul 2, 2017 at 6:50 PM, finished with 120031 posts and 19 votes.
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[X] Talk to Homura about the strange nature of information you have, spanning centuries and continents, and including timelines that, to your knowledge, couldn't have happened.
-[X]As a benign example, raise the time travel mechanics from Homura's Revenge.
-[X] Mutually discuss what this means for the reliability of your knowledge, with an aim of reassurance.
[X] If we really are here as a result of Madoka's wish... then we only exist because of the massive effort Homura has put in.
-[X] Thank Homura for helping you be here. You like existing.
-[X] (Jokingly.) ...Would this make them ...our mothers?
[X] An insight: Once her friends, including Homura herself, are safe, if Madoka knows the impact her wishing would have on Homura, and all the effort and sacrifice it took Homura to get through the loops... Madoka will respect that effort, and swear off making a wish
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-[x]Ask Homura if she wants to hear information that we believe she might take badly.
-[x] If yes, inform her that Madoka's potential has been increasing due to Homura's efforts to save her.
--[x] note that this information doesn't cause any real changes in the grand of things as long as Madoka doesn't make a wish, after all the Incubators efforts to make her a magical girl doesn't change because Madoka was able to be one before the loops started, and that Wally was going to come here no matter what Madoka's potential was anyway.
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[X] Talk to Homura about the strange nature of information you have, spanning centuries and continents, and including timelines that, to your knowledge, couldn't have happened and even alternate realities.
-[X]As two benign examples, raise events from the magicless world --- like concurrent world events and your prediction of upcoming earthquakes --- and time travel mechanics from Homura's Revenge.
-[X] Mutually discuss what this means for the reliability of your knowledge, with a focus on your ability to help people.
[X] Tell her we believe we were created through Madoka's Wish, to help Homura.
-[X] We wouldn't be here without either of them. Thank you.
-[X] (Jokingly.) ...Would this make them ...our mothers?
[X]If Homura's willing, ask how and when Madoka's wished after knowing about witches and the timeloops in the past.
-[X] If Madoka only wishes in the event of disaster, perhaps it's out of respect for Homura's effort and sacrifice?
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[x] Drop the Potential Bomb
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[x] Omake Maestro
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[X]GodwinBrina
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[x] Phoenixian
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[X] Trust Homura
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Jesus, this went to shit didn't it...
How about we don't do something that the QM seems to be warning us against.
I agree with the plan to get Madoka and Homura together and have a nice long talk. About the loops, and if we wanted, about the potentialbomb.
So
[X] Redshirt Army
How about we don't do something that the QM seems to be warning us against.
I agree with the plan to get Madoka and Homura together and have a nice long talk. About the loops, and if we wanted, about the potentialbomb.
So
[X] Redshirt Army
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[X]Redshirt Army
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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Edit to Redshirt's edit.
[X] Talk to Homura about the strange nature of information you have, spanning centuries and continents, and including timelines that, to your knowledge, couldn't have happened and even alternate realities.
-[X]As two benign examples, raise events from the magicless world --- like concurrent world events and our prediction of upcoming earthquakes --- and time travel mechanics from Homura's Revenge.
-[X] Mutually discuss what this means for the reliability of your knowledge, with a focus on your ability to help people.
[X] Tell her we believe we were created through Madoka's Wish, to help Homura.
-[X] We wouldn't be here without either of them. Thank you.
--[X] (Jokingly.) ...Would this make them ...our mothers?
[X]If Homura's willing, ask how and when Madoka wishes after knowing about witches and the timeloops in the past.
-[X] If Madoka only wishes in the event of disaster, perhaps it's out of respect for Homura's effort and sacrifice?
Wordcount: 150
Changed the last line massively because I don't want to assume anything before getting Homura's side of the story. She's seen this play out more than we have.
[X] Talk to Homura about the strange nature of information you have, spanning centuries and continents, and including timelines that, to your knowledge, couldn't have happened and even alternate realities.
-[X]As two benign examples, raise events from the magicless world --- like concurrent world events and our prediction of upcoming earthquakes --- and time travel mechanics from Homura's Revenge.
-[X] Mutually discuss what this means for the reliability of your knowledge, with a focus on your ability to help people.
[X] Tell her we believe we were created through Madoka's Wish, to help Homura.
-[X] We wouldn't be here without either of them. Thank you.
--[X] (Jokingly.) ...Would this make them ...our mothers?
[X]If Homura's willing, ask how and when Madoka wishes after knowing about witches and the timeloops in the past.
-[X] If Madoka only wishes in the event of disaster, perhaps it's out of respect for Homura's effort and sacrifice?
Wordcount: 150
Changed the last line massively because I don't want to assume anything before getting Homura's side of the story. She's seen this play out more than we have.
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Edit to Redshirt's edit.
[X] Talk to Homura about the strange nature of information you have, spanning centuries and continents, and including timelines that, to your knowledge, couldn't have happened and even alternate realities.
-[X]As two benign examples, raise events from the magicless world --- like concurrent world events and your prediction of upcoming earthquakes --- and time travel mechanics from Homura's Revenge.
-[X] Mutually discuss what this means for the reliability of your knowledge, with a focus on your ability to help people.
[X] Tell her we believe we were created through Madoka's Wish, to help Homura.
-[X] We wouldn't be here without either of them. Thank you.
--[X] (Jokingly.) ...Would this make them ...our mothers?
[X]If Homura's willing, ask how and when Madoka's wished after knowing about witches and the timeloops in the past.
-[X] If Madoka only wishes in the event of disaster, perhaps it's out of respect for Homura's effort and sacrifice?
Wordcount: 150
Changed the last line massively because I don't want to assume anything before getting Homura's side of the story. She's seen this play out more than we have.
Homura already told us what Madoka's wish was. :|