Sayaka doing something crazy,
Next, in PMAS:

SAYAKA GOES CRAZY and... idk, starts hugging all the meguca? Something silly like that.

A bigger question is how we want to handle the mental states of the revived girls, when due to their defeated status, there's a non-trivial chance of their friends being dead/witched.
Hey, the girls getting their bodies a little idealized will probably help them cope.

Looks like we're gonna be making Mamigold Hotel or whatever earlier than we thought. Plus they'd be in hella debt to us so maybe asking for help with Walmart Night will be easier. Kinda scummy sounding when put that way, but it's an thought.
Most of them probably will be in no state to help.
 
A bigger question is how we want to handle the mental states of the revived girls, when due to their defeated status, there's a non-trivial chance of their friends being dead/witched.
Well, the Soujos want Soul Gems intact, so they'd try to avoid breaking them or letting them witch out whenever possible. (Also, the discussions in the series always describe solo magical girls as being the norm and functional teams as the exception, so most of her/their victims were probably solo operators.)

Sure, but I'd prefer to not wake them up in a foreign body if we can help it.
The alternative is them never waking up. Once they're awake, we can ask them their names and find pictures of what they originally looked like.

Nico can use her powers to make some normal, somewhat generic-looking bodies for them in the meantime. It'll be weird, but not as weird as being a disembodied soul trapped in a crystal.
 
It's not ideal, but making a simple body with Niko's powers, then modifying it based on info from the girl herself, is by far the fastest solution we currently have access to, and should have very few negative long term effects for the girl herself.
Is it? If Kyuubey can give us a hologram of them, or even just enough identifying information to pull them up on Facebook, we should be able to make them right the first time instead of spending time editing it based on feedback.
The alternative is them never waking up.
No, it's not. Other alternatives exist.
 
Is it? If Kyuubey can give us a hologram of them, or even just enough identifying information to pull them up on Facebook, we should be able to make them right the first time instead of spending time editing it based on feedback.
That's assuming that Kyubey decides to be helpful and give us the name. (Has Kyubey ever demonstrated the ability to project holograms?) That's not a certainty.
 
We should ask Coobs, but we shouldn't operate on the assumption he'll be willing to give us that information.

If not, then waking them in a generic body and asking them basic things like their name should be much better. The sooner we wake them up the less out of step they'll feel once they try to return to their normal life.

No doubt some won't want to return to their old life or even a new body (I can see Soul Disconnect PTSD in some girls), in which case we can ask Niko to modify the generica body as much as is safe/humane/asked for and let them have it. So we should have six or seven in reserve for cases like that.

It'd also be something to attempt attaching a clear seed to once Niko's been Witchbombed. Thus far we haven't tried touching one to an empty body yet so they could be just detached soul gems at this point. Or it could end horribly, but we have firepower.
 
That's assuming that Kyubey decides to be helpful and give us the name. (Has Kyubey ever demonstrated the ability to project holograms?) That's not a certainty.

Involving QB isn't something I considered, but thinking about it, rather than dismissing it out of hand...

The main upshot of involving him is having the "true names" of the girls we're reviving, in case one of them turns out to have been another serial killer or something, so we can track them back down.

It's not likely at all, is what I'm saying - and barring us doing a bunch of breaking and entering to get DNA samples, the bodies we make won't perfectly match their actual bodies just based on photos anyway.

So while we might ask the Incubator, I'd say it's assistance in this case would be ultimately minor.

It'd also be something to attempt attaching a clear seed to once Niko's been Witchbombed. Thus far we haven't tried touching one to an empty body yet so they could be just detached soul gems at this point. Or it could end horribly, but we have firepower

I'll note that technically, we don't need Niko's help to run this experiment. The local morgue should have a couple of "empty bodies" that fit our needs.
 
I'll note that technically, we don't need Niko's help to run this experiment. The local morgue should have a couple of "empty bodies" that fit our needs.
We should probably try to heal/repair the corpses before we install anyone...and make sure we only use the corpses of females, preferably teens.

...I wonder if we could use Grief to analyze a teenage girl's body, in order to get a full template, then reshape the corpses to fit that template?

Or we could just get Niko in on this.
 
That's assuming that Kyubey decides to be helpful and give us the name. (Has Kyubey ever demonstrated the ability to project holograms?) That's not a certainty.
Answering questions is kind of Kyuubey's thing. He won't tell us about the actions of a given magical girl, but he's perfectly happy to provide us with names.
You snort. Figures. "Fine. Tell me about the magical girl on the west side, then."

"Masami Gaikotsu?" Kyuubey asks, tilting its head. "She is still active, although currently rather reclusive, and actively goes out of her way to avoid other magical girls. She's a powerful telekinetic."
And anyway, not asking because he might not answer would be stupid.
and barring us doing a bunch of breaking and entering to get DNA samples, the bodies we make won't perfectly match their actual bodies just based on photos anyway.
How exactly do you envision these girls giving us DNA-level information on their previous bodies, and why does not having it mean that we should give them template bodies instead? Waking up after being dead for an unknown amount of time is going to be stressful enough without them also not having a face or voice they recognize.
 
We should probably use some sort of 'calming/soothing' magic when waking up those girls.

It toes the line, but it might be a necessity to avoid anyone flipping out.
 
We should probably use some sort of 'calming/soothing' magic when waking up those girls.

It toes the line, but it might be a necessity to avoid anyone flipping out.
It would be nice to not need it, but yeah. Sayaka picked up hypnosis from someone, right? Keep her on hand.

Also, make the room they wake up in as nonthreatening as possible. Lots of cushions and pastels. Naturally we can expect this to trigger someone who got bitten in half my a pastel cushion witch, but nothing's perfect.
Except when it suits his purpose to withhold information.
Sure, whatever. I'm not in the mood to argue Incubator psychology. If it doesn't answer it doesn't answer and we're no worse off than before.
 
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Can Sayaka copy powers from a soulgem that isn't near a body?

If so, Step 1 of any plan should be to let her check out the powers of all the soulgems, and see if there's one that magically solves some problems. You just need one with object reading, or postcognition, or something along those lines. Or even something more exotic. Might get lucky.

Also, Umika powers might be super-helpful there, with the magic reading of stuff about people powers. And the memory editing, for really traumatized people.

Related: Wasn't there a picture around somewhere of Homura having gathered a whole army of Sayaka instances for some reason? I vaguely recall that, and it seems topical.
 
By the way, Aurora.

I think, once we finish the Homutalk, we should quickly go back in and swap Aurora with Hildegarde for testing.

The situation with Aurora is as follows:

- We beat her and took her Seed.

- Aurora, like any other Seed, gave the impression of a storm inside her Seed, raging to Sabrina's senses.

- At some point, we cleansed Aurora fully.

- Aurora became quiet, quiescent.

- Aurora was then heavily used by Oriko.

- Aurora started showing a small amount of activity.

- We cleansed Aurora fully again.

- Rather than becoming quiescent again, Aurora remains active.

- Time has passed without change.

I believe it's our turn to act again.

I want to propose two experiments:

1- Attempt to hatch Aurora with only a minimum amount of Grief in her Seed. Enough to re-create her body perhaps, without Barrier nor Familiars.

2- Create a Grief body similar to Aurora and attempt to connect her Seed to it, like you would a Soul Gem to a meguca body.

The point in either case would be to observe Aurora's behavior without having to fill her Seed back to full again.

Either plan would be experimental and could fail; other methods/ideas would be welcome
 
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If by fail you mean "Detonate explosively" then yes, both plans have a high chance of failure. I'm down to experiment.

Too far out. We'll likely have the stock of soul gems before Soulguca gets here, and unless Mami is hiding a walk-in grotto, we don't have anywhere to store all those gems unless we want to just kind of throw them in a pile somewhere.

Let's please treat the souls of children with dignity before we experiment on them, yeah?

It would be nice to not need it, but yeah. Sayaka picked up hypnosis from someone, right? Keep her on hand.
Sayaka being a paladin probably means she'd want to help wake the girls up, so this is a good plan. And we can trust her not to abuse her power because of aforementioned DEUS VULTery.

Mami can provide the cushions. Her ribbons are the perfect shade of golden yellow for calming people. Also, she's famous so they'll be more likely to listen to her when she tells them to shut up and sit down.
 
God damnit Guys, Every Megurca's name is printed on their Soul Gem, just run each of their names through either Facebook or Missing Person Reports and use the photo from that. No Kyubey required. If the body is still wrong, they can get us a true picture afterwards.
 
God damnit Guys, Every Megurca's name is printed on their Soul Gem, just run each of their names through either Facebook or Missing Person Reports and use the photo from that. No Kyubey required. If the body is still wrong, they can get us a true picture afterwards.
OR we could attach their soul gems to chickens and make the chickens joust each other!

But seriously let's do this.
 
More response to say, but I'll break from it for this:
I want to propose two experiments:

1- Attempt to hatch Aurora with only a minimum amount of Grief in her Seed. Enough to re-create her body perhaps, without Barrier nor Familiars.

2- Create a Grief body similar to Aurora and attempt to connect her Seed to it, like you would a Soul Gem to a meguca body.

The point in either case would be to observe Aurora's behavior without having to fill her Seed back to full again.

Either plan would be experimental and could fail; other methods/ideas would be welcome


I'm a bit torn: The first plan seems more risky since it seems likely that failure would put us back to square one, but a raw and exposed Cor Maleficus* may be required if the seed's barrier is too inviolate. Our experiments with Hildegard did show her reacting to magic when stripped down to her heart-nerves while having it simply slip off her in seed form.

I think a useful thing to look at in this case would be more examination of precisely how a witch controls her body. We have plenty of examples of the grief-fed magical network that is a soulgem, but likely lack the enchantment skill to replicate it without Mami.

If we can extend a link past the surface of a seed, I'd much rather try experiment two, and I'd even recommend starting with a human body or chibi-witch if possible. Otherwise it occurs to me that experiment one might require, in essence, fully filling the seed and then trash-compacting a witch's entire barrier.

God damnit Guys, Every Megurca's name is printed on their Soul Gem, just run each of their names through either Facebook or Missing Person Reports and use the photo from that. No Kyubey required. If the body is still wrong, they can get us a true picture afterwards.
Don't take me as gospel on this, but I half-recall words a while back near the beginning of the thread to the effect that it may be possible for a dedicated healer to heal from nothing but the gem.
 
God damnit Guys, Every Megurca's name is printed on their Soul Gem, just run each of their names through either Facebook or Missing Person Reports and use the photo from that. No Kyubey required. If the body is still wrong, they can get us a true picture afterwards.

Soul Gems only have names on them in ring form, and only a given name at that - Mami's says "MAMI", Homura's says "HOMURA", ours says "DEDOLERE", and so on.

Even if we assume that shifting someone else's Soul Gem to ring form is doable, only a single name won't give us that much information to work with when it comes to looking people up.

That said, having Sayaka copy the powers first to check, in case someone is a Hinata tier mind controller or whatever, seems prudent.
 
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