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The Narrator said:
:facepalm: Do I even want to know why they didn't keep one of the clones of their friend that actually had her memories?
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Saki later reveals that some of her previous clones had lived with Michiru's real memories, but they eventually became berserk and reverted back to witches. The Pleiades' accepted the rejection as "Michiru's will" which led to the decision to give Kazumi fake memories.
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So if this Kazusa remembers Mami and isn't crazy, she probably isn't a clone.

And if she is a clone who has all of Kazusa's memories and is still sane, then as far as I'm concerned she is Kazusa in any way that matters, and should be treated as such.
 
[Q] Ask Kazusa if you can call her Kazumi.

'Sure thing, Sabrina! Can I call you Brina-chan?'

'Neat!'

- Mami's Mind -

TEN fucking seconds and they're already calling each other nicknames. All it took was asking? What the fuck, me?!

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'I'm glad you two are getting along.'

Mami hugs Sabrina closer, burying her head on the crook of her shoulder.

"You OK, Mami?"

Mami nods.

- Mami's Mind -

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

Wait they're saying something.
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'... Nah, Mami's just a nice cuddle ball. She loves hugs.'

'... Does she now?'

- Mami's Mind -

nvm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA​
 
The Narrator said:
Wait, do the clones have soul gems? I thought clone-Kazumi made a contract at the end of the series. Did she already have a soul gem before that?
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Kazumi has an earring which contains [Michiru's Witch]'s Grief Seed, which functions in a similar capacity, but doesn't seem to have a definite limit on magic use. Her body is regenerated from/infused with scraps of the grief-fabric remains of the same; when the clone remembers witching out, they remember the trauma/realize their true nature as a Witch, and the chimaera body/mind tears itself apart.

However...

AuraTwilight said:
It turns out if someone witches out, and you make a clone with all their memories, they witch out.
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Notable: Several of the later clones (six or seven, I think?) don't witch out, but remain in the berserk degenerated state, implying that they've refined the process over each iteration. These get locked in a warehouse where they won't hurt anyone: Saki was supposed to euthanize them, but didn't have the heart (they still had Michiru's face and all), and when she goes loopy, Satomi sets them on Kazumi like attack dogs.

Which brings up a bunch of interesting questions regarding how exactly the fuck that works. Presumably, there's still only one Grief Seed, which gets recombined back into the Witch each time it reincarnates, but there are several Kazumis existing concurrently.
 
Always Happening said:
Which brings up a bunch of interesting questions regarding how exactly the fuck that works. Presumably, there's still only one Grief Seed, which gets recombined back into the Witch each time it reincarnates, but there are several Kazumis existing concurrently.
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At a guess, they've got an imprint of Kazusa's memories in their meat-brains even if the Seed isn't present, so as long as the artificial body doesn't require magic to sustain itself, maybe the "soul" isn't required for biological life?
 
Torgamous said:
Not a copy of it? Then how does she get her wish at the end?
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Fuzzy metaphysics. Kazumi is considered to be a sufficiently different being from Michiru as to not count as having gotten one already. She has a soul, but not a Soul Gem per say. It could just be Kyuubey's discretion, since she disassociated herself almost entirely from the original article, it could be possible that the Pleiades accidentally found a way to dupe the Grief Seed, but we just dont know for sure.

The Narrator said:
At a guess, they've got an imprint of Kazusa's memories in their meat-brains even if the Seed isn't present, so as long as the artificial body doesn't require magic to sustain itself, maybe the "soul" isn't required for biological life?
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This is possible, and the memories aren't even necessary at that point either, since the failed clones have basically animal intelligence from what I recall. The prior ones may simply no longer have souls, since it got confiscated each time to build the next.

Niko is basically the Victor Frankenstein of meguca, by the by.
 
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Kazumi and the other Michru clones never had any Soul Gems, they were naturally able to use magic because they are sorta like Witch Zombies since they are made from bits of dead Witch. The drawback was that all spent magic destabilizes Kazumi's body, the more Greif she accumulated, the more her body mutates (that's why my Avatar Pic has cat eyes). The Previous Clones snap due to the PTSD of having memories of Witching Out (it could also partially be how the clone would have Michru's mindset, but lack her Wish's Power to prevent the clone from spiraling), since they always snapped at seeing a Witch. That is why the Clone without memories was the one who was actually stable.

This is also why Kazumi was still able to make a Wish, Her Soul was always part of her body.

The Greif Seed From Michru's Witch was put into a earring as a memento that the Saints made for Kasumi. Maybe they wanted to use it as a good luck charm, but it wasn't part of the process to make the Clones in the first place. That was all Niko's power, and as demonstrated by Kanna, clones made with Niko's power have their own souls created with them, and are fully capable of making a Wish from Kyubey.
 
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BlackoutSampler said:
The Greif Seed From Michru's Witch was put into a earring as a memento that the Saints made for Kasumi. Maybe they wanted to use it as a good luck charm, but it wasn't part of the process to make the Clones in the first place.
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Fuck. This is my cue to re-read PMKM again, isn't it? I thought the third time was when you got bundled away by the nice men in the white coats and the unmarked van. :confused:

But yeah, the procedure is basically a stopgap/stepping stone to further research; true resurrection is probably going to involve the Seed in some way anyway (which will be problematic for the rare Witches that don't drop them).
 
Always Happening said:
But yeah, the procedure is basically a stopgap/stepping stone to further research; true resurrection is probably going to involve the Seed in some way anyway (which will be problematic for the rare Witches that don't drop them).
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We never see a witch fail to drop a seed on screen, and given that we only later learn what grief seeds are, I'm inclined to call unreliable narrator on some witches not dropping seeds, barring wish shenanigans.
 
Redshirt Army said:
We never see a witch fail to drop a seed on screen, and given that we only later learn what grief seeds are, I'm inclined to call unreliable narrator on some witches not dropping seeds, barring wish shenanigans.
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The Soujus' witch, if I recall correctly, doesn't during the throwdown with Hijiri. I'd be inclined to call them a special exception, but Jyuubey's response is pretty much 'yep, that happens sometimes'.

EDIT: On second thought, they probably are a special exception/wish bullshit, given how bizarre they are in every other respect. Also, Jyuubey doesn't appear to be and has no motive at the time to lie, but is capable of doing so, unlike Kyuubey.
 
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Somebody said it might just have been Mami trying to keep Madoka and Sayaka from the Familiar farming mindset.

Familiars can form Barriers, so let's say you find a Familiar one human nomming away from becoming a real Witch; it's practically a Witch, but won't drop a Seed.
 
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