So...Doppels are a thing. Which is, to say, that it's possible to transcend Witchhood.

We need to get Dedolere as a Stand.
Naw. The real badass ending to this quest would be a final boss battle where one of our familiars eats enough people to become a clone of Delodere, which was actually her plan all along. We have to fight her and stop her ascension to Godhood from on top of a skyscraper in downtown Mitiakihara.

I suggest our party be Us, Homura, Mami, and Sayaka running cleric. We've got versatility, Homu does the mundane damage, Mami deals Magic DPS, and Sayaka makes sure nobody dies.

Flawless strat.
 
Naw. The real badass ending to this quest would be a final boss battle where one of our familiars eats enough people to become a clone of Delodere, which was actually her plan all along. We have to fight her and stop her ascension to Godhood from on top of a skyscraper in downtown Mitiakihara.

I suggest our party be Us, Homura, Mami, and Sayaka running cleric. We've got versatility, Homu does the mundane damage, Mami deals Magic DPS, and Sayaka makes sure nobody dies.

Flawless strat.
Better strat: Don't let our Familiars eat people.
 
The context is that there's a very specific town in the game that has the unusual property of "Magical Girls remaining as themselves", so all the meguca are flocking to it.

The main character's sister is also missing and Homura's investigating it as a possible means to save Madoka, soooo yea whatever is happening there, it's not sustainable and/or desirable. It probably runs off the suffering of a single Magical Girl or something.
Hmm. Not necessarily; that phenomenon sounds rather reminiscent of the Anti-Kyuubey Barrier, so it could be possible to recreate (over, say, Mitakihara for instance). Hypothetically, it's just a really specific/esoteric enchantment applied to a magical bubble that circumscribes the city, either from a cabal of magical girls or one or two exceptionally strong/skilled ones (I would be quite confident in calling both Niko and Umika prodigal enchantresses, given their achievements; Mami done good).
 
Better strat: No Familiars.
I still think Familiars are the key to beating our range limit, so...hesitant to commit to that.

But doing that is like a Psyker Using his Warp Powers to win a Game of Cards. A VERY Risky idea.
We've got a precog, and we can find a probability manipulator. :V

Joking, though. Even if it WAS sustainable somehow, you're right that it's way to risky.

Also, we have no clue what's canonical for PMAS.
 
Hmm. Not necessarily; that phenomenon sounds rather reminiscent of the Anti-Kyuubey Barrier, so it could be possible to recreate (over, say, Mitakihara for instance). Hypothetically, it's just a really specific/esoteric enchantment applied to a magical bubble that circumscribes the city, either from a cabal of magical girls or one or two exceptionally strong/skilled ones (I would be quite confident in calling both Niko and Umika prodigal enchantresses, given their achievements; Mami done good).

This is PMMM and this barrier-effect is really awesome and convenient. There's soemthing horrificly wrong with it.
 
Fear the Feathers!

Working with Mami sounds like a better shot at range extension, anyway.
Nah...our influence flows from our Soul. Familiars are fragments/copies of our Soul. Should allow self-perpetuating Grief Artifacts. Hell, Witch Kisses are Familiars...those would make an amazing means of tracking and disabling mobile prisoners.

Enchantment might help extend range, but it still has limits I don't see us readily overcoming.

This is PMMM and this barrier-effect is really awesome and convenient. There's soemthing horrificly wrong with it.
Seems to me that it probably works just fine...until it (inevitably) collapses, and everyone that was taking it for granted spontaneously Witches.
 
Remember that Homura is living on a shitty government orphan stipend. Her Mitakihara apartment probably was tiny and grungy (by PMMM architecture standards) originally, and the big hologram pendulum whatever-the-fuck we see is at least partially maintained through her magic, possibly along with some electronics theft.
Mitakihara's real estate prices make no sense even by American standards, much less Japanese ones. Mami's apartment would cost a fortune here in Seattle.

Then again, there are almost no people or cars on the streets, so maybe the city has somehow been depopulated by about 90%.
 
My pet theory for PMMM real estate pricing is a drastically lower population due to witch predation, yes.
Frankly, I'm not sure that witches kill nearly enough people to explain it. A few hundred extra deaths a year wouldn't really make a dent in a major city.

I have a theory regarding the low population that I've been kicking around, but it's... quite a bit darker.
 
....Do share?Spoiler it for Sabrina's sake?
It's more of a stray thought than a well developed theory.
The thought was that someone might have wished that the atomic bombings hadn't occurred. In standard PMMM fashion, this wish backfired horribly.

Between Operation Downfall, the massive starvation the civilian populace was experiencing and possibly even the Soviets launching their own invasion, this resulted in the population of Japan being much smaller than in our reality.
 
Frankly, I'm not sure that witches kill nearly enough people to explain it. A few hundred extra deaths a year wouldn't really make a dent in a major city.

Why would there be only a few hundred extra deaths per year per city? I'm assuming that witches are the leading cause of human death in the PMMMverse - tens of thousands of deaths per city, yearly.
 
Why would there be only a few hundred extra deaths per year per city? I'm assuming that witches are the leading cause of human death in the PMMMverse - tens of thousands of deaths per city, yearly.
Witches don't seem to do enough to rack up those sorts of numbers. They mostly seem to pick off people one or two at a time, with H.N. Elly trying for a couple dozen with a mass suicide. And for all that Mitakihara's supposed to be a font of witch activity with Walpurgisnacht on the way, we're not seeing that many witches: one every few days or so.
 
Still, we never take long to find a Witch.

Only reason we're not hunting more is because we've got our hands mostly full most of the time.

We really should ask all those "more meguca than we can count" if the strongest of them can form a hunting party and clean up the city for us. Specially as there should be more and more Witches around every day.

If we managed to get range extension by comboing with Mami though, we could then send Brina Clones to hunt down Witches during the night, while Brina Prime stays at home, hugging the Mami. :p
 
It's more of a stray thought than a well developed theory.
The thought was that someone might have wished that the atomic bombings hadn't occurred. In standard PMMM fashion, this wish backfired horribly.

Between Operation Downfall, the massive starvation the civilian populace was experiencing and possibly even the Soviets launching their own invasion, this resulted in the population of Japan being much smaller than in our reality.
I doubt Operation Downfall happened, because if it did Japan would probably be unable to afford all that cool stuff you see in Mitakihara. Downfall was fuckin' nasty, and would likely have resulted in the total dismantling of Japan's social, economic, and governing structures. Also, had Downfall happened after a successful Manhattan Project, then there is a chance that the US would have employed massed nuclear bombardment against Japanese strongholds.


Somewhat related, I have a theory about why things like wars still happen, even in a world with wishes and magic.

The potential of a girl is related to their karmic weight, or how many people they will affect over their lives. Mami has a fairly large amount of potential because she was planning on becoming a pop idol, which would affect a fair number of people, on the order of hundreds of thousands or millions.

A war, especially one on the scale of the World Wars, would affect hundreds of millions. WWII killed about 60-80 million people, and many, many more were involved in some way.

The atomic bombings killed about 150,000-250,000 people on their own, and nuclear weapons went on to reshape conflict and international politics. Their existence caused the Cold War, which while it never went hot, still caused millions of deaths due to proxy wars and propped-up dictatorships.

Even a girl who could become a world-renowned superstar or the queen of a great empire would have far, far less karmic weight than that.


On the topic of Witch-related deaths, basically what Narrator said.
 
We really should ask all those "more meguca than we can count" if the strongest of them can form a hunting party and clean up the city for us. Specially as there should be more and more Witches around every day.
Definitely going to need a hunting team to patrol the city for witches when we have the numbers. But until then, maybe we could give neighboring magical girls license to hunt on our territory? Kyouko's been complaining about the lack of witches on her turf, so she'd probably be eager to go after them on ours.

I doubt Operation Downfall happened, because if it did Japan would probably be unable to afford all that cool stuff you see in Mitakihara.
That is an issue with the theory. (Or with any theory for why there seems to be so few people.) The city in the series seems to have lost about 90% of its population without any impact to its economy. It still has not only the money for the same huge skyscrapers that you'd find in any other metropolis, but also the need for such large buildings, which implies that they have the people to fill them. But the streets are nearly empty and real estate is so cheap that teenagers can afford what would be a million-dollar condo.

Is this a Hellmouth situation? Did everybody realize that something bad was coming and move away? Or are those buildings full, but nobody goes out after dark because of all the "mass suicides"? Or did a bunch of people move away after the industry that employed them collapsed, like the one that created all those abandoned warehouses and factories? Is Mitakihara the Japanese Detroit?
 
Kyouko's been complaining about the lack of witches on her turf, so she'd probably be eager to go after them on ours.
YOU KNOW we totally need to actually ask Mami about letting Kyouko into Mitakihara to train Sayaka...

... I think that kind of slipped my mind, I think we've mentioned asking Kyouko about it, but we never did ask Mami for permission. So we never got back to Kyouko about that.
 
YOU KNOW we totally need to actually ask Mami about letting Kyouko into Mitakihara to train Sayaka...

... I think that kind of slipped my mind, I think we've mentioned asking Kyouko about it, but we never did ask Mami for permission. So we never got back to Kyouko about that.

Mami knows. She found out during the talk with Oriko.
 
Mami knows. She found out during the talk with Oriko.
I know, but we haven't really asked Mami if she's OK with it, we've been putting it off.

You squeeze Mami's hand. "I-" you shake your head. "I guess I jumped the gun a little. I didn't mean to conceal anything from you - it's just that after I brought the idea of having Kyouko train Sayaka up with you, I went ahead and mentioned it to her. I'm sorry I didn't tell you yet - I didn't think it was urgent, and stuff kept coming up."

Mami swallows, eyes wide. "I-" she bites her lip. "A-alright. I- I suppose I shouldn't be upset."

"No," you say, squeezing Mami's hand tightly. "No, Mami. Are you upset? I- there's no such thing as 'shouldn't be upset'. If you are, you are."

Mami looks down, her eyes finding your joined hands. "I- I am. I-" she shakes her head. "I'm not upset at you. I- I know you're b-busy. Just, I- you know my history with her, and... it's for the good of Sayaka, but- it's hard."
 
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