Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
You're... a little late to the party there.
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Excellent. I had been worried a bit about @The Narrator's "shards of fucking glass around your feet" line, as it went just a bit further than I was comfortable with, but even that beat making Sayaka completely tune out the conversation.
Excellent. I had been worried a bit about @The Narrator's "shards of fucking glass around your feet" line, as it went just a bit further than I was comfortable with, but even that beat making Sayaka completely tune out the conversation.
Onmur
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Onmur vote is good exempt for the last part, but considering it all we may not make it to the end before someone does something stupid so its good.
[X] Onmur
[X] Onmur
Wait, we voted not to kill Sayaka? I thought we just kind of didn't kill her by default.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Do you mean Sayaka's alive?!Wait, we voted not to kill Sayaka? I thought we just kind of didn't kill her by default.
I thought she was a zombie!
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However, @Onmur, we shouldn't leave out Mami's injury in the fight when listing our own and Kirika's. She had her arm broken.
However, @Onmur, we shouldn't leave out Mami's injury in the fight when listing our own and Kirika's. She had her arm broken.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Who cares about Mami. Best Buddy got hurt that day. Now that's important.
--[] Oriko lost an arm and her head during the fight; Mami got her arm broken, and both Kirika and us got our legs maimed.
[Q] Homu, however, got away with not a hair out of place, 'cause she's cool like that.
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Script Mak3r
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But Best Buddy wasn't Best Buddy at that point. At best, she was Best Yandere.
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She is also worse Yandere considering that shes the only one.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Best Buddy once, Best Buddy forever. And that goes both forward and backwards in time! We were always Best Buddies, we just didn't know it yet.But Best Buddy wasn't Best Buddy at that point. At best, she was Best Yandere.
(That's actually why Kirika is our Best Buddy already despite us never having asked and her not having a clue. This it completely logical and there's nothing you can do about it.)
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Yeah, at this point I'm hoping that Hitomi or Sayaka interrupts us at least once during our whole "explaining why she's wrong" thing so we never get to the second apology. Even if she doesn't, though, at least we're not apologizing three times for the same thing in the space of a ten minute conversation; hell, maybe if we're really lucky Sayaka will actually hear something other than how right she is for throwing a violent tantrum to intimidate us into doing what she says.
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"Ready to spring" implies that she's about to pounce. Sayaka is on the verge of attacking us again, not fleeing.
Maybe it's a bit much, but I wanted to remind Sayaka of the destruction her little temper tantrum has wrought in the hope that it might shame her into showing a little restraint.
I don't think that asking people to sit down and hear us out will do any good. Everyone's too upset to comply with such a request. I think the only way to get through to them is to hit them with some blunt statements. I don't think they'll give us time to ask Hitomi to clarify her meaning, so I made sure to respond to all three possible meanings.
And I don't want to give a calm, detached speech in response to being assaulted twice and having our furniture smashed. I don't want us to lose our temper, but I definitely want to show some emotion in our response and talk like an actual human being. The way they're treating us is hurting us. I want to let them see that hurt.
RagnorakTres
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Hey, I wrote that![jk]Lose control of your emotions and launch into a prooooooobably self-destructive rant explaining why you did everything you did that night.
EvaUnit01
Kept you waiting, huh?
Did you, Tres? Did you really?
In all seriousness, I have no idea what to do here. An unstable show of force - like, say, "imprison everyone up to their necks in Grief and then scream out explanations on why even though you fucked up, you're not the bad guy" - is pretty much the only thing I can come up with.
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I can see and appreciate that, but when you're cussing at a middle-schooler you're going just a little too far. There's a few other places in that speech that go past "passionate" and edge towards "dismissive of others' feelings", like the part where you call Hitomi's concerns "whatever nonsense you're thinking of". Maybe a slight editing pass:
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Catgirl on site! Nyacannon, fire~!
The first thing I'm going to say is this:
@The Narrator, your vote is completely intolerable. It is combative, it is argumentative, and most of all it is not written in a tone that any of us would take with a friend IRL who had their house burned down. Sayaka is on our side, and as fulfilling as your vote might be, please keep in mind that even if we did do exactly what you're suggesting, and the conversation somehow went perfectly, you know what would happen afterwards?
We'd have to apologize for saying the things you're suggesting in the way you're suggesting. Because Mami would want us to, and refusing -- or just ignoring that fact and forcing her to stew on it when she doesn't saythat we should apologize because she's afraid we'll disagree -- would be tantamount to abusive behavior.
That said, you and your proponents raise some valid points about taking a firmer line with Sayaka.
Onmur, your first line (not "calm down") is shit. "Let me explain so that I can hear what you have to say after you know what happened. Then I'll let you meet Oriko."
... What are you doing? You realize Sayaka's response is going to be "What the fuck? You already explained what happened? And what do you mean let us, who made you the police?"
Furthermore I must heavily disagree with leaving Sayaka to stew for... Speech-duration. I addressed Sayaka first in my vote because she's an easy answer, however we answer her, and because she asked before Hitomi did. I will submit something less roll-over-y, but it should go first.
I'm going to object to telling Mami that Hitomi wasn't actually going to hurt us, because she was, and she was wrong to do so, as someone who had full knowledge of the situation (LIKE MAMI!) would agree.
I also believe that I disagree with bringing up our part and goals in the Ishinomaki-Sendai war as you do, but that's something of a personal preference. I think it slightly hurts our profile if we come off as too Pax Sabrina-y.
I'm going to object to the removal of the good faith line -- Hitomi believes the meaning of her question is obvious. Asking her what she means will likely anger her, the line was written to mitigate that.
Oh, and there's no sense talking about head loss when we're talking about trying to keep people alive.
That said, there are a lot of factors that we should consider here. It occurs to me that Sayaka is totally unaware that she needs to act differently as a meguca, for instance: that throat grab was not acceptable. And frankly, this shit has to be triggering the hell out of Mami.
So, I think I'm going to chart a firmer but equally fairer and hopefully better course. Walloftextgo!
Kaizuki vote 2.0: now 500% firmer via Mami's Honor. Basically an improved onmurvote.
[X] Hitomi, you do not have full knowledge of the situation. The realities which Magical Girls face are significantly different from those you are accustomed to.
[X] Glance at Sayaka. One of those realities is that there are three people in this room with lethal weapons, at least one of whom is currently angry. If we were not all friends here, if we were meguca who had not met, this would be the point where we would be wondering if we should draw first, to protect ourselves against the possibility of the others doing so. That is why there is a ribbon around your arm right now; because if you had been a magical girl, that slap might have been so much more. I have tolerated these sorts of behaviors in other meguca in other places. I will not tolerate this scenery in Mami's home, between her guests. Sayaka, you are welcome to be angry with me, entitled to it even. You are not welcome to do anything that will give others in this room any idea that you mean them or another harm. You are capable of punching holes through walls. That is more than enough force to crush someone's skull.
[X] Mami, would you please release Hitomi? I won't ask anyone to sit down, or to stand; do whatever you want. But we will hold this conversation civilly, whether that means speaking calmly or yelling at each other until our throats are sore.
[X] Sayaka, what more do you want from me? I have apologized for not telling you sooner. You did deserve to know. You do deserve to know. I am telling you.
-[X] Hold up a hand to her. Before you answer that, may I respond to Hitomi in full?
[X] Hitomi, before I can answer you, I need to ask you a question. Before I do, let me tell you that this is honestly a question I don't have the answer to, and that I'm asking it in good faith.
-[X] What would you have had me do?
--[X] If she brings up normal justice proceedings: Hitomi, how do you try a teenage girl for a crime based on evidence that you don't remember exists? How do you hold a person who can wrench apart the metal bars of a cell, or turn invisible, or teleport? Because of Kyubey's memory wipes, and because of the unpreparedness of the criminal justice system, the judiciary is incapable of putting a magical girl on trial. Furthermore, no equivalent institution exists for magical girls. In fact, the truth of the matter is that, in general, no institutions exist at all for magical girls.
---[X] It's that way because Meguca live under scarcity conditions. When killed, witches drop something called a grief seed. Meguca must consume grief seeds, or they die. But unlike food, you can't grow witches or grief seeds. You see where this is going, don't you, Hitomi?
---[X] There are Magical Girls out there who get away with murder, extortion, blackmail, theft, all of it with impunity. Mitakihara has been free of that for going on two years, entirely because Mami Tomoe is a wonderful, upstanding, law-abiding, and law-enforcing citizen, who also happens to be quite possibly the single most powerful magical girl in all of Japan. If any of those things weren't true...
---[X] Outside of Mitakihara... Outside of this territory, it's a different story. Last week, some pre-existing enmities between the Sendai Group and the Ishinomaki group escalated. I don't know if you saw the gas explosion on the news? That was no gas leak, it was a war fought in the streets with magic, and the reason only three people died was that the winning side assisted with rescue efforts and healed as many of the injured as they could.
---[X] We fought Oriko and Kirika, and we imprisoned them. We did it with no fatalities, and because we did it, nobody else has been hurt by them. And they aren't dead over it.
---[X] ... That's your whole motivation here. You're trying to keep people alive. It's not easy. Oriko and Kirika are alive only because Magical Girls are superhumanly durable. Even then, if Oriko hadn't agreed to the house arrest, what could we have done?
[X] Return to Sayaka.
The first thing I'm going to say is this:
@The Narrator, your vote is completely intolerable. It is combative, it is argumentative, and most of all it is not written in a tone that any of us would take with a friend IRL who had their house burned down. Sayaka is on our side, and as fulfilling as your vote might be, please keep in mind that even if we did do exactly what you're suggesting, and the conversation somehow went perfectly, you know what would happen afterwards?
We'd have to apologize for saying the things you're suggesting in the way you're suggesting. Because Mami would want us to, and refusing -- or just ignoring that fact and forcing her to stew on it when she doesn't saythat we should apologize because she's afraid we'll disagree -- would be tantamount to abusive behavior.
That said, you and your proponents raise some valid points about taking a firmer line with Sayaka.
Onmur, your first line (not "calm down") is shit. "Let me explain so that I can hear what you have to say after you know what happened. Then I'll let you meet Oriko."
... What are you doing? You realize Sayaka's response is going to be "What the fuck? You already explained what happened? And what do you mean let us, who made you the police?"
Furthermore I must heavily disagree with leaving Sayaka to stew for... Speech-duration. I addressed Sayaka first in my vote because she's an easy answer, however we answer her, and because she asked before Hitomi did. I will submit something less roll-over-y, but it should go first.
I'm going to object to telling Mami that Hitomi wasn't actually going to hurt us, because she was, and she was wrong to do so, as someone who had full knowledge of the situation (LIKE MAMI!) would agree.
I also believe that I disagree with bringing up our part and goals in the Ishinomaki-Sendai war as you do, but that's something of a personal preference. I think it slightly hurts our profile if we come off as too Pax Sabrina-y.
I'm going to object to the removal of the good faith line -- Hitomi believes the meaning of her question is obvious. Asking her what she means will likely anger her, the line was written to mitigate that.
Oh, and there's no sense talking about head loss when we're talking about trying to keep people alive.
That said, there are a lot of factors that we should consider here. It occurs to me that Sayaka is totally unaware that she needs to act differently as a meguca, for instance: that throat grab was not acceptable. And frankly, this shit has to be triggering the hell out of Mami.
So, I think I'm going to chart a firmer but equally fairer and hopefully better course. Walloftextgo!
Kaizuki vote 2.0: now 500% firmer via Mami's Honor. Basically an improved onmurvote.
[X] Hitomi, you do not have full knowledge of the situation. The realities which Magical Girls face are significantly different from those you are accustomed to.
[X] Glance at Sayaka. One of those realities is that there are three people in this room with lethal weapons, at least one of whom is currently angry. If we were not all friends here, if we were meguca who had not met, this would be the point where we would be wondering if we should draw first, to protect ourselves against the possibility of the others doing so. That is why there is a ribbon around your arm right now; because if you had been a magical girl, that slap might have been so much more. I have tolerated these sorts of behaviors in other meguca in other places. I will not tolerate this scenery in Mami's home, between her guests. Sayaka, you are welcome to be angry with me, entitled to it even. You are not welcome to do anything that will give others in this room any idea that you mean them or another harm. You are capable of punching holes through walls. That is more than enough force to crush someone's skull.
[X] Mami, would you please release Hitomi? I won't ask anyone to sit down, or to stand; do whatever you want. But we will hold this conversation civilly, whether that means speaking calmly or yelling at each other until our throats are sore.
[X] Sayaka, what more do you want from me? I have apologized for not telling you sooner. You did deserve to know. You do deserve to know. I am telling you.
-[X] Hold up a hand to her. Before you answer that, may I respond to Hitomi in full?
[X] Hitomi, before I can answer you, I need to ask you a question. Before I do, let me tell you that this is honestly a question I don't have the answer to, and that I'm asking it in good faith.
-[X] What would you have had me do?
--[X] If she brings up normal justice proceedings: Hitomi, how do you try a teenage girl for a crime based on evidence that you don't remember exists? How do you hold a person who can wrench apart the metal bars of a cell, or turn invisible, or teleport? Because of Kyubey's memory wipes, and because of the unpreparedness of the criminal justice system, the judiciary is incapable of putting a magical girl on trial. Furthermore, no equivalent institution exists for magical girls. In fact, the truth of the matter is that, in general, no institutions exist at all for magical girls.
---[X] It's that way because Meguca live under scarcity conditions. When killed, witches drop something called a grief seed. Meguca must consume grief seeds, or they die. But unlike food, you can't grow witches or grief seeds. You see where this is going, don't you, Hitomi?
---[X] There are Magical Girls out there who get away with murder, extortion, blackmail, theft, all of it with impunity. Mitakihara has been free of that for going on two years, entirely because Mami Tomoe is a wonderful, upstanding, law-abiding, and law-enforcing citizen, who also happens to be quite possibly the single most powerful magical girl in all of Japan. If any of those things weren't true...
---[X] Outside of Mitakihara... Outside of this territory, it's a different story. Last week, some pre-existing enmities between the Sendai Group and the Ishinomaki group escalated. I don't know if you saw the gas explosion on the news? That was no gas leak, it was a war fought in the streets with magic, and the reason only three people died was that the winning side assisted with rescue efforts and healed as many of the injured as they could.
---[X] We fought Oriko and Kirika, and we imprisoned them. We did it with no fatalities, and because we did it, nobody else has been hurt by them. And they aren't dead over it.
---[X] ... That's your whole motivation here. You're trying to keep people alive. It's not easy. Oriko and Kirika are alive only because Magical Girls are superhumanly durable. Even then, if Oriko hadn't agreed to the house arrest, what could we have done?
--[X] ... If Hitomi was talking about taking Oriko's arm in revenge for hers: no. That was not the case. Magical Girl fights are brutal, fought with abilities meant to bring down giant monsters in bodies that are merely human, and as long as a Magical Girl's Soul Gem is intact, she can survive and heal back from anything, assuming she can cleanse her own Soul Gem.
---[X] Oriko lost an arm during the fight; both Kirika and us got our legs maimed, Mami's arm was broken.
---[X] If Oriko's still missing her arm, it's not for Hitomi's sake, but because it wasn't necessary for her to have it in order to speak with us and surrender, and because it would've been easier to put her down again, definitely, if she tried to fight us again. Kirika has also slowly been healing it up, so it's not like she's lost it forever.
---[X] Oriko lost an arm during the fight; both Kirika and us got our legs maimed, Mami's arm was broken.
---[X] If Oriko's still missing her arm, it's not for Hitomi's sake, but because it wasn't necessary for her to have it in order to speak with us and surrender, and because it would've been easier to put her down again, definitely, if she tried to fight us again. Kirika has also slowly been healing it up, so it's not like she's lost it forever.
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RagnorakTres
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[X] Kaizuki
I always feel like I'm some sort of emotionally stunted social incompetent when the catgirl speaks up. Is that normal?
I always feel like I'm some sort of emotionally stunted social incompetent when the catgirl speaks up. Is that normal?
I did! Sort of. It's awful, but I did write it.
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Vote is too damn looooong
Bye bye sleep nao
Yes it is too long
The entire point of raising it is to convey exactly that. Sayaka is going to have to learn these things at some point. If she was behaving like this to somebody else they'd be trying to kill her right now.
Dude, I'm a catgirl. I have cat ears and a tail. My social score is roughly "Nya, pet me desu~!"
Bye bye sleep nao
Yes it is too long
The entire point of raising it is to convey exactly that. Sayaka is going to have to learn these things at some point. If she was behaving like this to somebody else they'd be trying to kill her right now.
Dude, I'm a catgirl. I have cat ears and a tail. My social score is roughly "Nya, pet me desu~!"
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