Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Gadjo
Doka
Not to mention, if the walls are just drywall, a normal person (maybe not a small teenager) could totally punch through them. Most people can't crush a skull that easily. Also, I wouldn't say the "Mami is the most powerful magical girl in Japan" bit, because even as complimentary as that sounds, Mami will know it's a lie.
And being Vague on the sendai conflict (that we were involved) is just spinning more unnecessary lies.
And being Vague on the sendai conflict (that we were involved) is just spinning more unnecessary lies.
I'm saying that we will just be interrupted because nearly everyone I have ever met really really hates having a long winded speech directed towards them. It isn't going to do even half the things it wants to, because we're not going to get to it all before someone goes "shut up I have a question" or "what the fuck Sabrina"
Gadjo
Doka
Well, long votes of actions are one thing. This much text? In a dodgy situation? We are going to be interrupted, and it'll be early.Eh. I've seen larger votes. Mostly just in this quest though.
EvaUnit01
Kept you waiting, huh?
[]Bluntly ask Sayaka and Hitomi what either of them would have done if they were in your shoes.
-[]And if/when they persist in viewing the situation through a "normal person" lens, point out how the existence of Magical Girls changes the game so much that that perspective doesn't apply anymore.
What about this?
-[]And if/when they persist in viewing the situation through a "normal person" lens, point out how the existence of Magical Girls changes the game so much that that perspective doesn't apply anymore.
What about this?
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Script Mak3r
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[X] Neko Miko Kaizuki
You guys do realize that Sabina is standing on really thin ice right now? Hitomi is pissed, and Sayaka looks almost ready to attack. Might not have luxury to go on a monologue or lecture here.
Muramasa
Best Girl
*shrug* Par for the course in PMAS. If Firn wants to cut it off, he'll cut it off. Honestly, this kind of wall of text isn't unprecedented and not a big deal by itself. Longer votes give Firn more to work with. You objecting to the material of the vote is a separate matter.
Muramasa
Best Girl
EvaUnit01
Kept you waiting, huh?
See also:
It puts the onus of dialogue on Sayaka and Hitomi, forces them to maybe actually stop and think for a minute or two, and then we can be the ones making pointed interruptions.
EvaUnit01
Kept you waiting, huh?
Going to actually go ahead and make it my official vote.
[x]Bluntly ask Sayaka and Hitomi what either of them would have done about/in response to Oriko's actions if either of them had been in your shoes.
-[x]And if/when they persist in viewing the situation through a "normal person" lens, point out how the existence of Magical Girls changes the game so much that that perspective doesn't apply anymore.
-[x]When someone inevitably says "you should have told us sooner", calmly respond that the group has already gone over that.
[x]Bluntly ask Sayaka and Hitomi what either of them would have done about/in response to Oriko's actions if either of them had been in your shoes.
-[x]And if/when they persist in viewing the situation through a "normal person" lens, point out how the existence of Magical Girls changes the game so much that that perspective doesn't apply anymore.
-[x]When someone inevitably says "you should have told us sooner", calmly respond that the group has already gone over that.
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Much of my problem is that this is what my thought process looks like. I'm no good at taking actions and writing them as "say these general things." It processes in my head like this, it comes out of my head like this.
Stun value of the opening lines. I'm well aware of that possibility, why do you think I'm talking about lethal weapons and skull crushing? Also, I really do mean to vote to throw them out if they get physical a third time. If there's one thing Narrator's got the right of it's that that was unacceptable. They can go cool their heels for a night if they're going to do that to us in front of Mami.
Basically what I'm going for condensed down to two lines (with all the loss of detail that involves), except that it provokes the obvious answer "TELL SAYAKA SOONER" which makes it nonproductive. :/
EvaUnit01
Kept you waiting, huh?
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Gadjo
Doka
I get that, but as Mura pointed out, my actual basic problem is with the approach of getting angry at them rather than immediately trying to calm everyone down. There's still a needless half truth about sendai in there. There's still implications that our friends could be bad people. It's not a good idea to go on the offensive right now. It will escalate the conflict rather than resolving it.
They'll see that as unfair to imply, and rightly so.
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So, I actually rather expect to get interrupted, but I expect to get interrupted here:
Or here:
In either case that interrupt either doesn't derail the vote, or signals Hitomi getting the infirmation she needs to draw all the conclusions we want her to. If this girl is half as smart as she seems to be she shouldn't need anything more than "scarcity society," the rest is gravy. If I'd reverted to my original vote layout instead of using Onmur's, that's what it would look like: nothing after that, particularly.
And more to the point, any logical interrupt is either resolvable by GM (Hitomi raises suggestion that really clearly doesnt work, Brina shoots it down) or has a logical response embedded in the vote. Sayaka will let Hitomi go first because that's how their relation works these days.
Night.
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EvaUnit01
Kept you waiting, huh?
Even if Sayaka's currently drinking her own self-righteous kool-aid?
Heh, this isn't even close to the most complex or longest vote I've seen. Over in Shepard Quest some of the tallies got so long that they couldn't fit into a single post.Eh. I've seen larger votes. Mostly just in this quest though.
Um, is it a lie? Mami did quite a lot more than hold her own in the Sendai conflict, and her efficiency advantage has given her a training advantage that most of the higher-powered meguca would find hard to match. For someone with only two years on the job Mami very well could be the strongest in Japan, though I will note @Kaizuki that we don't actually know that so it's probably not a good idea to say it.
Nah, that's not a lie, not even of omission. Stating our full involvement in that conflict in the context we're presenting would look too much like bragging or glory-hounding; this way is actually more honest since it downplays our involvement and focuses on the facts of what happened.
None of the votes "get angry at em", and frankly it's very disingenuous to pigeon hole them like that. Narrator and Kaizuki's votes are to be assertive, even firm, while Onmur's vote is to be deferential and conciliatory. There's a time and place for deference, but if you do so in the face of violent extremism you'll quickly find yourself being swept along by the tide of emotions, as we are already seeing. Now is the time for a firm rebuke; anything less is going to be brushed aside.
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Gadjo
Doka
I feel the firm rebuke is going to come across as not earned, since they've still got plenty reason to be angry. Most importantly, it's at it's core conflict escalation. It's shooting back. Deference is conflict de-escalation. Since the conflict has reached "standing around a broken table with one poised to beat our ass and the other restrained with magic" the last thing we can afford to do is escalate it. It's going to cause Sayaka to decide we suck and stop listening. When that happens, shit gets real complicated real fast.
Unfortunately, very much a lie. Sabrina exists, and she is bullshit. Not knocking Mami, but our power level is DBZ levels of horseshit to the average magical girl, and even the exemplary magical girl.
Seriously, If you guys really are that ticked of by what Hitomi said then just say so IC. Tell her that it's kind of upsetting that she would honestly think that Sabrina would rip off a girl's arm and lock her up out of some twisted sense of justice or revenge. And ask if her if that's seriously what she thinks happened.
Thinking about it I would probably,
1.) Immediately try to deescalate the situation.
2.) Tell Sayaka that she did deserve to know and that we were wrong to keep it from her. But the only thing we can do about that now is to apologize and tell her the truth now.
3.) Not sure about what to do from here. Maybe give a brief overview of what actually happened. Hunting Oriko down. Getting blown up. Trying to catch Oriko with out hurting anyone. Failing and engaging in a vicious fight that seriously injures almost everyone.
4.) Maybe explain the whole "normal justice system doesn't apply to magical girls" that you guys want.
Also, it's one thing to get annoyed at them for being all aggressive and borderline violent. But you guys are acting like Sabrina is a normal girl who almost got unintentionally snapped in half by an angry Sayaka. Yeah doing this with unknown magical girls would be seriously stupid. But we're all suppose to be friends here. That is, in fact, a huge reason why they're so angry to begin with.
Thinking about it I would probably,
1.) Immediately try to deescalate the situation.
2.) Tell Sayaka that she did deserve to know and that we were wrong to keep it from her. But the only thing we can do about that now is to apologize and tell her the truth now.
3.) Not sure about what to do from here. Maybe give a brief overview of what actually happened. Hunting Oriko down. Getting blown up. Trying to catch Oriko with out hurting anyone. Failing and engaging in a vicious fight that seriously injures almost everyone.
4.) Maybe explain the whole "normal justice system doesn't apply to magical girls" that you guys want.
Also, it's one thing to get annoyed at them for being all aggressive and borderline violent. But you guys are acting like Sabrina is a normal girl who almost got unintentionally snapped in half by an angry Sayaka. Yeah doing this with unknown magical girls would be seriously stupid. But we're all suppose to be friends here. That is, in fact, a huge reason why they're so angry to begin with.
