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We can let Mami decide on a good name.

Meanwhile, Gold from the Mumi Quest thread:

Onmur said:
Sabrina totally just admitted to having no prior ties, guys.

Come on, just kiss her already. Don't be like the girls in Kirika's comics.
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SystemicHatter said:
Um, no? There's no way this is healthy for Sabrina or a good time to make a move on her. She's just admitted she doesn't have a past, no-one to go back to. She relies on Mami for housing and money, and has spent most of her life with her. It's a bit hard for her to say no if she wants to, because of that power imbalance in the relationship.

Just, no.
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Crossposting myself from Mumi Quest because yes. If you can understand what I'm saying here a diagram would be realllly nice for everyone else.

MUMI COMPUTER

Well you really just need a not and an and, yeah? So...

No, a not, an and, a zero state and a one state. That actually makes things a lot harder.

Ew, and you have to get the gate to output. Ew ew ew.

Well with some exterior objects to serve as state indicators, this is easy -- see the marble computation machine on youtube.

With only ribbons, we need to get creative.

We have to make the assumption that Mami can put knots in ribbons, because otherwise we have to use either length or --

Ah.

Ooooooooh, okay.

So, for the sake of argument, let's consider that Mami can make a ribbon into a -| shape and have it be rigid -- this would be done in the same way you'd do the same thing with a piece of string, essentially grab the middle, lift it up so it forms a hill, then push the bottom parts together so the top of the hill becomes the point of the - in the -| shape. This could be approximated by a really huge knot, but it's so much easier to conceptualize this way.

Now, actually getting gates to output things -- that's hard, because unlike electrical setups our signals and gates are made out of the same shit. Because of that, I... don't know that it's possible to set up a reusable gate... Although...

Ah, yes it is, because ribbons have width.

Okay, here's half an and gate. Note that all specific integers are arbitrary. The input ribbon points along the x-axis, it's the line (-inf, inf) in the z=0 plane with some width. The gate ribbon points along the Y-axis in the z=-1 plane, with some width. And the output ribbon points along the Z-axis in the Y=2 plane, and it has one -| shape. Note that a -| shape is 1 and a | is 0. So, the - in the -| shape in output ribbon rests against the top of the gate ribbon. If the input ribbon has a -| shape, the - catches on the gate ribbon, drags the gate ribbon to the side, and the -| in the output ribbon falls downwards since it's no longer held up by the gate ribbon. If the - isn't actually straight and is more of an angled plane, it should be possible to calibrate the forces so that the gate ribbon "snaps back" to its original position after being dragged a certain length by the input ribbon. Furthermore, if we go ahead and restrict the length of the input ribbon (i.e. The size of the input) to one "bit", we can put multiple -| shapes in the output ribbon and the gate should be reusable.

If you partially duplicate that -- the output ribbon gets 2 -|, then two input ribbons and two gate ribbons, that's an and gate, since the output ribbon will still not pass a -| if either of the two gate ribbons isn't pulled.

A not gate is harder, cuz you need to trigger a -| with a | and vice versa. Uhm.

I think... This is where the reusability issue comes into play. Because... We can set up a not gate that resolves to a 0 state or a 1 state based on input, but it wouldn't revert to its original state afterwards. Basically you put a -| on the output ribbon, the gate ribbon is off to the side so the -| will just fall right past it if the input ribbon doesn't change things, and the input ribbon is set up to drag the output ribbon over to get in the way of the falling -| if the input ribbon has a -| in it.

I suppose with proper physics calibration you could set it so that the input ribbon keeps going, but the gate ribbon doesn't snap back until enough time has passed that the next bit on the input ribbon is already in a position where the gate ribbon, if it catches on that bit (requires a -|), would continue to prevent the -| on the output ribbon from falling... Yes, that would work.

Still not nearly as convenient as transistors.

Anyway, we know you can make all the other gates out of NANDs. So we're some puzzling, a compiler and a language away from programs, and the language could be done via encoding Java or C language terms into binary and dumping that onto ribbons.

MamiMagic is Turing Complete bitches!
 
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As far as names for hotels or whatever: it doesn't need Mami's name at all, imo, but "Best Exotic Mamigold Hotel" is kinda stupid even with the reference making sense, and becomes exponentially moreso without it.

I'm going to bed now.
 
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LostDeviljho said:
You've basically just summed up my feelings about regular chibis. A giant chibi would be horrifying.
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Most anime characters would look horrifying if translated directly into real life due to the screwy proportions. (Those character masks that some fetishists use are a good indicator of that.) Things that work in animation often don't transfer well to live action.

Regarding chibis specifically, humans have an instinctual reaction to things with the proportions of babies: small things with large heads, large eyes and short limbs. Stuffed animals and other plush toys take advantage of those same sort of proportions, so it's probably best to think of chibis as essentially plushies. Whereas making them human-sized would be more like a theme park mascot, and we know how terrifying those are.... :p
 
[X] Onmur

also found a song for Sabrina to sing. The lyrics actually fit how the whole situation developed. I don't think we (well most of us) started with a MamiXSabrina ship when we decided to house with Mami - it was to help her emotionally. Things just escalated.
 
Thought - The idea or Oriko being our ambassador with Tokyo would be interesting.

- She's smart enough to do well
- She's all... oujo...y and that helps
- She has a ready made bodyguard
- She also needs something to do. Helping Sabrina work out the political issues with trying to get girls access to better cleansing means is something that is crucial in the long term.
 
DB_Explorer said:
Thought - The idea or Oriko being our ambassador with Tokyo would be interesting.

- She's smart enough to do well
- She's all... oujo...y and that helps
- She has a ready made bodyguard
- She also needs something to do. Helping Sabrina work out the political issues with trying to get girls access to better cleansing means is something that is crucial in the long term.
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Giving Oriko liaison duties would be interesting, but ultimately she needs to not be dying before we can give her a job.
 
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