IIRC, if Madoka dies/contracts, she literally goes 'this is not my World' and loops away.
I'm 90% sure she never learns about (or even considers) dimension-hopping theory, though. IIRC that's purely a WoG thing.

Also, minor nitpick: Doesn't she only leave a timeline once Madoka dies or witches out? I can't think of any examples to the contrary, but I don't think she explicitly leaves as soon as Madoka contracts—it's just that she usually witches out soon after doing so.
 
I'm 90% sure she never learns about (or even considers) dimension-hopping theory, though. IIRC that's purely a WoG thing.

Also, minor nitpick: Doesn't she only leave a timeline once Madoka dies or witches out? I can't think of any examples to the contrary, but I don't think she explicitly leaves as soon as Madoka contracts—it's just that she usually witches out soon after doing so.

In "Homura's Revenge!", she loops away from a timeline where Kyoko and Madoka survived Walpurgisnacht, but Madoka contracted. It... might be canon?
 
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I remember reading that Homura peaced out of a timeline in the Mami and Kyoko focused spinoff manga just before they went to Whataburger Night. Or maybe that's just the wiki article being really terrible.
 
Homura will abandon a timeline if it's totally hopeless, but usually tries to ride it out as long as she can. Contracted Madoka at Walpy is probably AN ACTUAL FUCKING PTSD TRIGGER though and thus prompts her to bounce.
 
I remember reading that Homura peaced out of a timeline in the Mami and Kyoko focused spinoff manga just before because they went to Whataburger Night. Or maybe that's just the wiki article being really terrible.
"You'd eat at Whataburger Night? That's disgusting."

"The fuck's your problem! The fries are to die for."

"This establishment is an aberration of nature."

"You might have your opinion, Homura, but would you not ruin my reconciliation dinner with Kyouko? Besides... the burgers fantastic, so fat and greasy..."

"This is not my world."

*Turns shield 180°*
 
In "Homura's Revenge!", she loops away from a timeline where Kyoko and Madoka survived Walpurgisnacht, but Madoka contracted. It... might be canon?
Although if Homura's Revenge! is canon, then that would mean that Homura could have brought people back in time with her, in which case you'd think she'd have tried bringing some allies with her at some point to make things easier....

There's The Different Story too, I think?

At least, Homura, Madoka and Sayaka fight Walpurgisnacht together.
I remember reading that Homura peaced out of a timeline in the Mami and Kyoko focused spinoff manga just before they went to Whataburger Night. Or maybe that's just the wiki article being really terrible.
I just went back and checked the page in question, and it's ambiguous as to whether Homura stays through the Walpurgisnacht fight or loops out before it begins.

I get the impression that, as Homura sees it, if Madoka becomes a magical girl, then it's only a matter of time before she witches out. So Homura considers that a failure to "save" Madoka.
 
If Madoka does learn the witchbomb, we should probably put it out there that we might be able to turn witches back into magical girls—and that Madoka's wish would prevent that—just to prevent the canon wish.

One of the previous 96,087 posts probably proposed this idea, but I'm sure as heck not going to dig through the thread to double-check.
 
I know that dewitching's been talked about; I just wasn't sure whether dewitching as a disincentive for Madoka wishing had been discussed.
 
Although if Homura's Revenge! is canon, then that would mean that Homura could have brought people back in time with her, in which case you'd think she'd have tried bringing some allies with her at some point to make things easier....

The problem is that all the Magical Girls have personalities predisposed to not trusting her and/or not being able to handle the various bombs. There's a reason she gave up on relying on anyone.
 
It seems to me an astounding exercise in hubris for anyone to entertain the idea that Sabrina has a snowball's chance in hell of beating Kriemhild Gretchen now, even with her hax powerset.

I'm sure that even if she can kill it, by the the time she did it would have already destroyed the Earth.
 
Well, unless I missed something, Sabrina's grief-rend can nullify any Witch attack or defence. Even Kriemhild Gretchen can't do much against that.
 
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Well, Sabrina's grief-rend can nullify any Witch attack or defence, as far as we know—unless I missed something. Even Kriemhild Gretchen can't do much against that.

It does not matter because Sabrina can only affect a 100 meter radius around herself. Kriemhild Gretchen is a planet killer that is the size of a small mountain and it's attacks would simply be too large.
 
It seems to me an astounding exercise in hubris for anyone to entertain the idea that Sabrina has a snowball's chance in hell of beating Kriemhild Gretchen now, even with her hax powerset.

I'm sure that even if she can kill it, by the the time she did it would have already destroyed the Earth.
1. Kriemhild Gretchen will stop if the world no longer contains grief.
2. Dedolere, the name of our Witch, means "Grieve no more"
3. Ergo, the only option is:
[:V] Witch-out for superpowers
 
It does not matter because Sabrina can only affect a 100 meter radius around herself. Kriemhild Gretchen is a planet killer that is the size of a small mountain and it's attacks would simply be too large.
Unless its attacks are fast enough to hit Sabrina before she can break them down—speaking of which, we should really try to figure out our maximum breakdown speed—it won't matter; it'll only be a matter of time before Sabrina finds the core/tears everything apart/whatever.

Unless Kriemhild can break the world apart before we can break her apart, but that seems unlikely.
 
Unless its attacks are fast enough to hit Sabrina before she can break them down—speaking of which, we should really try to figure out our maximum breakdown speed—it won't matter; it'll only be a matter of time before Sabrina finds the core/tears everything apart/whatever.

Unless Kriemhild can break the world apart before we can break her apart, but that seems unlikely.
It's possible Kriemheld has attacks which aren't Grief-based. It's also possible she's simply out of our league: She may have sufficient power to prevent us from stealing her Grief.

Not saying we can't win, but...let's not ever find out.
 
Even if we can win, it would be a Pyrrhic victory.

Kriemhild Gretchen was the size of a mountain and able to destroy the planet within 10 days by Loop #4. By the last loop, it was bigger than the entire planet and its influence was already spreading past the moon within moments. Trying to destroy something that big with a 100 meter radius effect--about 4 million cubic meters of volume at a time--would probably take days or even weeks. By the time we killed it, there would no longer be a planet left to return to.
 
Even if we can win, it would be a Pyrrhic victory.

Kriemhild Gretchen was the size of a mountain and able to destroy the planet within 10 days by Loop #4. By the last loop, it was bigger than the entire planet and its influence was already spreading past the moon within moments. Trying to destroy something that big with a 100 meter radius effect--about 4 million cubic meters of volume at a time--would probably take days or even weeks. By the time we killed it, there would no longer be a planet left to return to.

Cascade enchant a superweapon. Problem solved.
 
I don't think this quest works like an Elder Scrolls game.

Did we not create an item that enhances enchanting from grief? It may not work like an elder scolls game but it certainly seems that we can impart permanent modifications on the world via emchating under grief enhancement. There's no evidence we couldn't make a magical nuke in such a manner.
 
Did we not create an item that enhances enchanting from grief? It may not work like an elder scolls game but it certainly seems that we can impart permanent modifications on the world via emchating under grief enhancement. There's no evidence we couldn't make a magical nuke in such a manner.
Unfortunately, we can't use it to enchant for ourselves an enchantment enhancer. On the other hand, we can use such enchantments to make better potions of enchanting.
 
Unfortunately, we can't use it to enchant for ourselves an enchantment enhancer. On the other hand, we can use such enchantments to make better potions of enchanting.

We had ought to try to create a grief device that improves our learning / memory capabilities. We have a method of creating potentially arbitrary enchantments temporarily, we just need a way to look at the process and retain the information for later use.
 
We had ought to try to create a grief device that improves our learning / memory capabilities. We have a method of creating potentially arbitrary enchantments temporarily, we just need a way to look at the process and retain the information for later use.
On the other hand, that seems like it'd leave Grief in our brain, which is probably a plan that would lead to us losing our Hat. And any plan in which we lose our Hat is a Bad Plan.
 
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