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@Ugolino

•Sasa is prickly: So we tell her that she matters, is special, that we'll meet her again sometime, and leave before she can get a word in. Startling her out of her current mindset with magic usage should also be helpful.

• Sasa is insecure about people being better than her: We can't get around the fact that we know stuff she doesn't. Better to get it out of the way and play up the "you matter to me, we will meet again" card then dance around it futilely forever.

• Sasa is selfish: So we tell her she matters and that she shouldn't make weird contracts without thinking about the consequences.

Will Sasa actually react like that? Lolidunno. But at this point you don't have any grounds for claiming your mental model of her is better than mine.

TheEyes said:
Heh, you've got 24% of the vote; that's hardly a consensus. :)
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When I said literally no consensus, I meant it. At the time I first adapted your plan, none of the plans had more than a single vote.
 
AuraTwilight said:
So, forgive me if this is stupid, but is there any reason we can't just straight up ask Yuuki what would get us on her good side, and tell her an honest-but-nonmagical reason why, like "I want to be your friend so you can enjoy life better?"
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I think she'd react t that by telling us to fuck off. At this point, anyway. Maybe if we'd opened with that?
 
AuraTwilight said:
So, forgive me if this is stupid, but is there any reason we can't just straight up ask Yuuki what would get us on her good side, and tell her an honest-but-nonmagical reason why, like "I want to be your friend so you can enjoy life better?"
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Because we're trying to make it as complicated as possible that'd lead to questions as to why Sabrina's trying so hard to be her friend in particular and why she's trying to get on her good side.
 
AuraTwilight said:
So, forgive me if this is stupid, but is there any reason we can't just straight up ask Yuuki what would get us on her good side, and tell her an honest-but-nonmagical reason why, like "I want to be your friend so you can enjoy life better?"
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She's not going to believe that.

Plus, that'd feel so pitiful for her, we'd be basically nuking our remaining chances.

I think we should leave and try to persist in another ocassion.

Be consistent so as to convince people we're what we look like. Basically what we did with Koko.
 
Redshirt Army said:
@Ugolino

•Sasa is prickly: So we tell her that she matters, is special, that we'll meet her again sometime, and leave before she can get a word in. Startling her out of her current mindset with magic usage should also be helpful.

• Sasa is insecure about people being better than her: We can't get around the fact that we know stuff she doesn't. Better to get it out of the way and play up the "you matter to me, we will meet again" card then dance around it futilely forever.

• Sasa is selfish: So we tell her she matters and that she shouldn't make weird contracts without thinking about the consequences.

Will Sasa actually react like that? Lolidunno. But at this point you don't have any grounds for claiming your mental model of her is better than mine.



When I said literally no consensus, I meant it. At the time I first adapted your plan, none of the plans had more than a single vote.
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DB got 8 votes before you posted yours, I think. I was one of them at the time...?
 
Onmur said:
She's not going to believe that.

Plus, that'd feel so pitiful for her, we'd be basically nuking our remaining chances.

I think we should leave and try to persist in another ocassion.

Be consistent so as to convince people we're what we look like. Basically what we did with Koko.
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Shit, guys, let's chat up some people from her school and see if anybody knows her? Also an excuse to meet with the other potentials.

Redshirt Army said:
Maybe. I mostly skimmed over the discussion for this vote before dropping in.
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I'll say this much: I didn't see anything I really liked until you came in.
 
Redshirt Army said:
@Ugolino

•Sasa is prickly: So we tell her that she matters, is special, that we'll meet her again sometime, and leave before she can get a word in. Startling her out of her current mindset with magic usage should also be helpful.

• Sasa is insecure about people being better than her: We can't get around the fact that we know stuff she doesn't. Better to get it out of the way and play up the "you matter to me, we will meet again" card then dance around it futilely forever.

• Sasa is selfish: So we tell her she matters and that she shouldn't make weird contracts without thinking about the consequences.

Will Sasa actually react like that? Lolidunno. But at this point you don't have any grounds for claiming your mental model of her is better than mine.



When I said literally no consensus, I meant it. At the time I first adapted your plan, none of the plans had more than a single vote.
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You know what? Let's dissect the vote in question. Because as I read it, your vote does none of that at all.

Talking down to her/arrogant tone/ordering her around is in bold.
[X] Okay, you don't want to talk; I get that.
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Translation for Sasa: "I know better than you, I don't care what you want"
But the way you've said
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it tells me that you match the profile I'm looking for,
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Translation for Sasa: "You told me about you, I know better than you what you should do."
that you're more important than you realize. Don't be so willing to give that up, especially not to... well, you'll see.
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Translation for Sasa: "Ha ha I'm holding secrets over you."
[X] I'll probably be around here again tomorrow. You can try looking me up, but I'm pretty sure I don't have a legal identity to find. If you do find something, well. Let's just say I'll be very surprised.
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Translation for Sasa: [SMUGGGGGGGGG INTENSIFIES]

-[X] If you can do it by flying away from a dead-end alley, putting on a Grief-bended Ring of Invisibility, or some other way to play up your mysterious-ness for Sasa, do that.
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Showing off literally for the sake of showing off.

Sasa is not a friendly six year old. She is not a well-adjusted, friendly person who'll be nice and have a reasonable tolerance for antics. She will not see a cool exchange student.

She will despise us for being an arrogant, smug jerk and rightfully so.

If you want to admit we know stuff she doesn't, to say she's special, and everything else you say your vote does, there's no reason not to just say it in those words rather than what seems like a long string of disaster-inducing smug emotes.

Social is not hard but it does require us to not mash the subject's trigger issues repeatedly in rapid succession like we're on jeopardy.
 
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Ugolino said:
You know what? Let's dissect it line by line. Because as I read it, your vote does none of that.

Talking down to her/arrogant tone/ordering her around is in bold.


Sasa is not a friendly six year old. She will not see a cool exchange student.

She will despise us for being an arrogant, smug jerk and rightfully so.

If you want to admit we know stuff she doesn't, to say she's special, and everything else you say your vote does, there's no reason not to just say it in those words rather than what seems like a long string of disaster-inducing smug emotes.
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That's not my current vote. Some of those lines are still in it, but some aren't.
 
Ugolino said:
...There goes Sabrina's entire characterization. You'd have just put Sabrina's entire character through the shredder to have her kneecap someone for shits and giggles.

Well done, you'd have voted to turn a character with dozens of pages of characterization written in a story worth reading and reading into a sadistic, murderous, impulsive thug. I'm sure Mami and Sayaka will love to hear about that from QB. Or Madoka, even.

But hey, Sasa a shit, amirite? What's characterization? What's consistency? Are those things you eat?
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...I suspect that was a joke, and not serious.
 
Ugolino said:
You know what? Let's dissect it line by line. Because as I read it, your vote does none of that.

Talking down to her/arrogant tone/ordering her around is in bold.

Sasa is not a friendly six year old. She will not see a cool exchange student.

She will despise us for being an arrogant, smug jerk and rightfully so.

If you want to admit we know stuff she doesn't, to say she's special, and everything else you say your vote does, there's no reason not to just say it in those words rather than what seems like a long string of disaster-inducing smug emotes.
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Okay, I think there's definitely some good points in that.

Redshirt Army said:
That's not my current vote. Some of those lines are still in it, but some aren't.
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Yeah, but he's probably right about the ones that are. This ahem is on a hella hair trigger.

Sec. Actually hell lemme off ipad so ill have a keyboard.
 
You know this:
[X] Okay, you don't want to talk; I get that.
-[X] Serious, no-nonsense tone. Drop the act. "But the way you've said it tells me that you match the profile I'm looking for, that you're more important than you realize. Don't be so willing to give that up, especially not to... well, you'll see."
[X] Grief up a pair of glasses (just the rims, no glass) directly onto your face.
[X] I'll probably be around here again sometime. You can try looking me up, but I don't have a legal identity to find. If you do find something anyway, well. Let me know.
[X] Talk to Kyoko when you're finished with Sasa.
-[X] Um, yeah, sorry about that.
-[X] Be right there.
[X] Head over to Kyoko.
-[X] If you can do it by flying away from a dead-end alley, putting on a Grief-bended Ring of Invisibility, or some other way to play up your mysterious-ness for Sasa, do that.
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Is gonna fail spectacularly if Sasa doesn't bother to look back, since she is stomping away from us? Or, more than spectacularly, it's just gonna fall flat.

She's probably pissed off enough she won't listen to anything longer than 'OK, bye'. :p
 
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Dissection Mk II
[X] Okay, you don't want to talk; I get that.
-[X] Serious, no-nonsense tone. Drop the act. "But the way you've said it tells me that you match the profile I'm looking for, that you're more important than you realize. Don't be so willing to give that up, especially not to... well, you'll see."
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Pointless mystery that will piss her off more. Vagueness is not appealing especially to Sasa, and not framed as orders.
[X] Grief up a pair of glasses (just the rims, no glass) directly onto your face.
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Showboating. This really isn't Sabrina Goofball hour and doesn't help anyone.

[X] I'll probably be around here again sometime. You can try looking me up, but I don't have a legal identity to find. If you do find something anyway, well. Let me know.
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This is bleeding smug arrogance- at least through Sasavision- and pointless LOL SO MYSTERIOUS. Also, more pointless orders.

This vote doesn't deter a contract or make her want to wish better. It's overly vague for vagueness's sake and will be received about as well as an clown at a funeral.

It would be better to literally go

[]You're special. Really.
[]If you ever make a wish (maybe go "and it's worth the risk of the Soul Gem to you" as well?) it's important to wish for what REALLY matters to you. I think you could do something amazing if it's worth the price. (or something)
[]Glasses if that's meant as proof of magic, though transforming and exiting stage left would really be a)easier, b)get the point across
[]Goodbye, hope we meet again!
[]Whoosh.

or something than the current version, at least as I see it.

because that has fewer chances to piss her off and less Meguca In Black weirdness for no apparent reason.

I mean I still don't agree with the approach, but that's my two cents.
 
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Ugolino said:
Dissection Mk II

Pointless mystery that will piss her off more. Vagueness is not appealing especially to Sasa, and not framed as orders.

Showboating. This really isn't Sabrina Goofball hour and doesn't help anyone.



This is bleeding smug arrogance and pointless LOL SO MYSTERIOUS. Also, more pointless orders.
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(Was) working on reply with suggested fixes. But...

Onmur said:
You know this:

Is gonna fail spectacularly if Sasa doesn't bother to look back, since she is stomping away from us? Or, more than spectacularly, it's just gonna fall flat.

She's probably pissed off enough she won't listen to anything longer than 'OK, bye'. :p
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@Redshirt Army, Onmur raises a really good point. I don't even know if we can stop her from moving away with only verbalization. Thaaaaat might be a big obstacle to the entire damn vote lol.
 
Can I say my vote was made literally out of a desire to try to balance disengaging for the day so we can handle other obligations and setting us up for future interactions?

I think I would of made a vote for first contact with Sasa but I was busy with real life (oh well) So I voted for one I thought would work OK... which went down like the hindenburg. Which makes me think we are either way over thinking how to treat Sasa or very much under thinking it. I think its the former rather then the latter... But I think we should not treat Sasa as special... she will likely pick up on the act and think it patronizing. We should be... earnest. If we want to be friends with Sasa because well YAY FRIENDS then so be it thats why we want to talk to her.

Whatever reason for Sasa's demeanor treating her like a timebomb or some special person, or playing up some sort of act to make us all spooky is a sort of acting she will not like. Being mysterious due to trying to keep shit actually secret is fine. Doing anything else likely comes off as delusional.
 
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