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akrasiel23 said:
Now that I think of it, shouldn't angst be somewhat beneficial to us in battle?, we would be generating grief at a better pace and have an immediate outlet for any doubt/fear/annoyance Sabrina has at the moment or has held for a while.
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We're not Dedolere, though. Grief is harmful to us.

If we need more Grief, we can just make it. We never really needed Grief we didn't have, but we likely can create large amounts in little time, be it through magic usage or by trying to will Grief into existance (SCIENCE!).
 
bird_poison said:
Are you proposing a sabrina reactor maintaining grief criticality? Because it sounds like a forbidden ultimate technique, also cool, and also dangerous.
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Might help against Feathers, specially if it turns out she's Homucifer.

Training that technique would also help us prevent ourselves of falling into a grief spiral.

Onmur said:
We're not Dedolere, though. Grief is harmful to us.

If we need more Grief, we can just make it. We never really needed Grief we didn't have, but we likely can create large amounts in little time, be it through magic usage or by trying to will Grief into existance (SCIENCE!).
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What was the phrase? No pain, no gain?
 
Onmur said:
"... When does the gain happen?"
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Ummm, if we control our own emotional turmoil to a critical point, we might be able to meet Dedolere herself without turning into her, therefore, the same process could be repeated in inverse to meet the meguca inside the witch, thus taking a step closer into dewitchification.

And of course, wielding hope (Sabrina) and despair (Dedolere) together is bound to give us a lot of power.
 
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Witching for superpowers is never a good idea.

There is exactly one scenario where it ends well and that requires the law of cycles to exist and us to be up against homulucifer.
 
akrasiel23 said:
falling into a grief spiral
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Better yet, use the grief spiral. As long as we can extract grief, a controlled grief spiral means we can increase our output at will. Mind, this is extremely dangerous, but the grief emited can be effectively infinite, and the amount per time depends on how close are we to the grief "singularity".

That's what I mean with criticality.

Edit: I'm gonna need some math and to use paint, but I thing this has to be studied.
 
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akrasiel23 said:
Ummm, if we control our own emotional turmoil to a critical point, we might be able to meet Dedolere herself without turning into her, therefore, the same process could be repeated in inverse to meet the meguca inside the witch, thus taking a step closer into dewitchification.

And of course, wielding hope (Sabrina) and despair (Dedolere) together is bound to give us a lot power.
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I'm am the Alpha and the Omega
The Hope and Despair
The Light and the Darkness
Look upon my works ye mighty and despair
My name is Sabrina, Magi of Magi!

*gets pillow thrown at her*

Homura: .... no
 
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[X] Well, first of all, you're not actually a foreigner. Kind of, it's complicated. And you're not pitying her, nor did you think that she needed concern.
-[X] Admit that you were curious and wanted to talk to her. You didn't really expect to see someone else skipping school just hanging around the mall. And you happen to like meeting and hanging out with people.
[X] Offer ice cream. You're kind of feeling like the both of you got off on the foot here. You happen to know a place and can treat her if she's okay with that.
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[X] Hey, no, that's cool, I didn't mean it that way. I'm just new in town and wanted someone to hang with. Have you had lunch? You wanna grab something to eat?
[X] And I'm not pitying you, I just don't like eating alone. What was your name again?
[X] If Sasa begins to depart again, follow.
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[X] Continue following Sasa whenever she looks to leave.
[X] "Yeah, no, I might be a sanctimonious meddler at times -- good call on that one, by the way -- but pity? Nope. I mean, clearly life has been shitting on your from on high for a long while now, helped along by people around you being jerks, but I only give pity to people who, as you said, need it. You might be dealing with shit that would break others, but it hasn't broken you. That's why I'm here."
[X] "Now, can I explain what's going on, or do I need to prove that I'm as stubborn as you are? If you want to just vent at me, that's fine. I might not be able to take it as well as you would, but if that's what you need to do, I'm game."
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[X] "Do you need a minion? I thought all delinquents had minions. I can be a really good one!"
-[X] Strike a stereotypical delinquent pose in direction with not too many bystanders.
-[X] "Hey, you. Did you upset the boss? No-one upsets the boss."
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bird_poison said:
Better yet, use the grief spiral. As long as we can extract grief, a controlled grief spiral means we can increase our output at will. Mind, this is extremely dangerous, but the grief emited can be effectively infinite, and the amount per time depends on how close are we to the grief "singularity".

That's what I mean with criticality.

Edit: I'm gonna need some math and to use paint, but I thing this has to be studied.
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I suggest using exponentials, that tends to be used for stuff like this.

DB_Explorer said:
I'm am the Alpha and the Omega
The Hope and Despair
The Light and the Darkness
Look upon my works ye mighty and despair
My name is Sabrina, Magi of Magi!

*gets pillow thrown at her*

Homura: .... no
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I was thinking something more like. "Hope and Despair, as One!" But that works too.
 
bird_poison said:
Better yet, use the grief spiral. As long as we can extract grief, a controlled grief spiral means we can increase our output at will. Mind, this is extremely dangerous, but the grief emited can be effectively infinite, and the amount per time depends on how close are we to the grief "singularity".

That's what I mean with criticality.

Edit: I'm gonna need some math and to use paint, but I thing this has to be studied.
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You don't see a problem with trying to control a Grief Spiral... while Grief Spiralling?
 
bird_poison said:
Of course I do. That's why I consider it dangerous. But because of the potential output it merits at least some consideration.
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Grief Spiral is pretty much certain death.

If we were to try to create Grief quickly, we would try to create it outside our Soul Gem, not inside.

I would like to try at some point, but it's just so not a priority... I mean, while having more Grief theoretically means Sabrina can do more things, I don't think we'd get buffs from having lots of Grief in our control, and the amounts we've been using are enough to fully occupy Sabrina's control, so it doesn't seem having more Grief would be useful.
 
Onmur said:
Grief Spiral is pretty much certain death.

If we were to try to create Grief quickly, we would try to create it outside our Soul Gem, not inside.

I would like to try at some point, but it's just so not a priority... I mean, while having more Grief theoretically means Sabrina can do more things, I don't think we'd get buffs from having lots of Grief in our control, and the amounts we've been using are enough to fully occupy Sabrina's control, so it doesn't seem having more Grief would be useful.
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We might need Kyubey for that then, he would probably agree if we convince him of giving him a quota of at least thousands of years in grief.

As I said, it's not just the capability of generating more grief that's important, but also see how much we can get to our spiritual limit without turning into a witch, it's the only scenario where we might be able to study and possibly revert the transformation into a witch.
 
akrasiel23 said:
As I said, it's not just the capability of generating more grief that's important, but also see how much we can get to our spiritual limit without turning into a witch, it's the only scenario where we might be able to study and possibly revert the transformation into a witch.
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We're not gonna do human experiments. Sabrina is a human being.

Plus, Sabrina is scared of Dedolere, so good luck staying in control and not dying.
 
Ugo is still alive AND (probably) human after all these years, thus Ugo cannot possibly be Sayaka.
 
Warning: Guy rambling here, migh not reach conclusions.

The amount of grief generated at any given time depends on the amount of grief in the soul gem.
The capacity of controlling said grief also depends on the amount of grief in the sg, but the relationship is inverse.

On the potential, on a grief spiral the amount of grief increases until the sg is filled, at that point peak grief is reached and the sg beomes a grief seed.

If the grief is extracted with the purpose of leaving the sg with a given amount, the grief output depends directly on the amount present in the sg. The closer to the breaking point, the higher the output.

On the danger side, on a grief spiral our capacity to control becomes zero at the breaking point. It may be an abrupt change, one moment we are able to extract grief, the other we are not.

So the question is, what's the highest amount of grief that can be maintained in the soul gem? So far, we know that maintaining the sg at 0% is possible, but we should test at 20%, 50% and in company, at 70%

If successful the technique would allow to create grief before battle, and we wouln't need to carry grief all the time.
 
We still need to test creating and destroying grief ex nihilo to confirm it's actually possible. Maybe we can focus on that while Mami runs Sayaka though her paces before the witch hunt?
 
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