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bird_poison said:
We have limited resources, limited awareness and limited heart space. Chosing to maintain the mental stability of a close friend over helping someone currently in a highly dangerous but low chance situation is a valid, human answer. However, I also think there is no need to make hard decisions without making sure there is a decision to make in the first place.
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Thing is, I don't think it makes an appreciable difference here to the point where I'd feel justified in doing it if this was that either/or scenario rather than one where we take a third option via timestop- other than following a bad promise we should never have made.

And yes.
 
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You know, there's another argument for not contacting Sasa right now, too:

The Incubators may or may not be watching Sasa right now, but we do know that they are watching Sabrina.

What this means is that, if we do contact Sasa, we absolutely must commit to doing so for longer than some sort of 5-minute drive-by verbal assault, because even contacting her at all will draw the eye of the Incubators on her.
 
TheEyes said:
You know, there's another argument for not contacting Sasa right now, too:

The Incubators may or may not be watching Sasa right now, but we do know that they are watching Sabrina.

What this means is that, if we do contact Sasa, we absolutely must commit to doing so for longer than some sort of 5-minute drive-by verbal assault, because even contacting her at all will draw the eye of the Incubators on her.
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That doesn't hold water.

She's a Potential who's contracted in other timelines- they'd be likely tap her anyway. Talking to her ideally- and yes, for more than five minutes in total- mitigates that.

As an argument against doing what we're supposed to, it's a bit like arguing to avoid Nagisa because QB might want her to contract.
 
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@Firnagzen Why is Sasa's hair blue? It's canonically brown.

I remain part of Camp "Fix Sasa With Friendship" but also "We made Mami a goddamn promise." What's being written off as "Mamihugs" is more akin to "Tetris prevention."

I weighed the Ugo and Redshirt votes, and decided that going back to Mami, then going right back over (It LITERALLY wouldn't even take 30 goddamn minutes to go do that and come back to Sasa. It wouldn't even take five) was the right thing to do.

I would also like to check on the girl who becomes Albertine before going back to Sasa, since this is ABOUT THE TIME ALBERTINE IS BORN.

I want to stress that I immediately want to come back to Sasa after like, goddamn 3 minutes with Mami so she doesn't have a relapse, then making sure Albertine doesn't say "Hello World", and THEN we can get Sasa.

Because Sasa is important, but she's not more important than Mami, and she's not more important than stopping a Witch. Sorry, that's just facts.

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Ugolino said:
That doesn't hold water.

She's a Potential who's contracted in other timelines- they'd be likely tap her anyway. Talking to her ideally- and yes, for more than five minutes in total- mitigates that.

As an argument against doing what we're supposed to, it's a bit like arguing to avoid Nagisa because QB might want her to contract.
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It absolutely holds water. Sasa doesn't contract in every possible timeline, like Oriko and Kirika, and Sabrina is a huge butterfly effect that is going to distort Kyubey's behavior just like Madoka's Golden Goose potential.
 
AuraTwilight said:
@Firnagzen Why is Sasa's hair blue? It's canonically brown.

I remain part of Camp "Fix Sasa With Friendship" but also "We made Mami a goddamn promise." What's being written off as "Mamihugs" is more akin to "Tetris prevention."

I weighed the Ugo and Redshirt votes, and decided that going back to Mami, then going right back over (It LITERALLY wouldn't even take 30 goddamn minutes to go do that and come back to Sasa. It wouldn't even take five) was the right thing to do.

I would also like to check on the girl who becomes Albertine before going back to Sasa, since this is ABOUT THE TIME ALBERTINE IS BORN.

I want to stress that I immediately want to come back to Sasa after like, goddamn 3 minutes with Mami so she doesn't have a relapse, then making sure Albertine doesn't say "Hello World", and THEN we can get Sasa.

Because Sasa is important, but she's not more important than Mami, and she's not more important than stopping a Witch. Sorry, that's just facts.

[x] Redshirt Army



It absolutely holds water. Sasa doesn't contract in every possible timeline, like Oriko and Kirika, and Sabrina is a huge butterfly effect that is going to distort Kyubey's behavior just like Madoka's Golden Goose potential.
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...Ah, crap. Albertine.

Bleh. Well both votes allegedly have the same approach, this just makes finding Albertinegirl after dealing with Sasa briefly all the more of a good idea.

Sasa personalitywise seems likely enough to contract that talking to her to mitigate that outweighs the QB flashlight in my eyes.
 
While we're on the topic of Kuroki Matsuko...

Albertine. The scribbling witch, with an ignorant nature. She loves Hide and Seek. However, because none of her minions are very intelligent, none of them seek her out.

So. Her minions ignore her - abandonment issues? She might be super lonely. An "ignorant nature" makes me feel like she died due to ignorance, and retreated back into ignorance in response - witchbombed, maybe?

Her familiars punish liars - was she lied to a lot, in life?
 
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Consensus is likely a wish for affection -hence the dog.

Yes, she pretty much wished for pats.

EDIT: Wait, no, that's a different witch. Albertine...might have wished to...not know something? Something to do with innocence? She dislikes lies, maybe, or was lied to, going by her familiar.

Well, Homura might know more.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
While we're on the topic of Kuroki Matsuko...

Albertine. The scribbling witch, with an ignorant nature. She loves Hide and Seek. However, because none of her minions are very intelligent, none of them seek her out.

So. Her minions ignore her - abandonment issues? She might be super lonely. An "ignorant nature" makes me feel like she died due to ignorance, and retreated back into ignorance in response - witchbombed, maybe?

Her familiars punish liars - was she lied to a lot, in life?
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Abandonment plus lying sounds to me like a parent was cheating and left to be with the other person.
 
Onmur said:
Hey, if it works...



Isn't this the face of a girl that's fully happy around the clock?
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Yes, but see. Homura consistently failed at her stated goal of preventing Madoka from contracting, culminating in Madoka contracting retroactively from the beginning of time. I think we can safely conclude that it doesn't work.
The3rdCorinthian said:
Lets look at all the times it succeeds in PMMM now shall we.
































Oh whats that? It's the sound of never at all.
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How many times was it even tried? Only one I can think of is Kyouko trying to talk down Octavia, and I think the lesson there is "Don't try to yuri friendship the witch."
Higure said:
Bird Idea?

That's great! We use our Wings and Caw Caw her to Asunaro. No longer our problem!

Her pants will be a sad loss...but necessary.:p
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Ah, but consider that like 60% of all meguca who enter Asunaro are clones or twins or doppelgangers or some bullshit like that. Do you want to be responsible for an increase in the number of Sasa?
 
rikalous said:
Yes, but see. Homura consistently failed at her stated goal of preventing Madoka from contracting, culminating in Madoka contracting retroactively from the beginning of time. I think we can safely conclude that it doesn't work.

How many times was it even tried? Only one I can think of is Kyouko trying to talk down Octavia, and I think the lesson there is "Don't try to yuri friendship the witch."
Ah, but consider that like 60% of all meguca who enter Asunaro are clones or twins or doppelgangers or some bullshit like that. Do you want to be responsible for an increase in the number of Sasa?
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Considering her personality...they'd probably mutually annihikate.
 
rikalous said:
How many times was it even tried? Only one I can think of is Kyouko trying to talk down Octavia, and I think the lesson there is "Don't try to yuri friendship the witch."
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Mami's attempted recruitment of Madoka and Sayaka and her subsequent decapitation due to their presence could also be a point against the power of friendship, from a certain point of view.
 
rikalous said:
How many times was it even tried? Only one I can think of is Kyouko trying to talk down Octavia, and I think the lesson there is "Don't try to yuri friendship the witch."
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Homura constantly trying to loop over and over again to prevent Madoka contracting (It was friendship at the time ok).

What broke the endless series of loops in the end? Madoka Contracting.
 
rikalous said:
Yes, but see. Homura consistently failed at her stated goal of preventing Madoka from contracting, culminating in Madoka contracting retroactively from the beginning of time. I think we can safely conclude that it doesn't work.

How many times was it even tried? Only one I can think of is Kyouko trying to talk down Octavia, and I think the lesson there is "Don't try to yuri friendship the witch."
Ah, but consider that like 60% of all meguca who enter Asunaro are clones or twins or doppelgangers or some bullshit like that. Do you want to be responsible for an increase in the number of Sasa?
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Wait, do you mean the only thing we needed to get Sabrina clones, was to merely step inside Asunaro...

All this time???

[Q] Screw it.
-[Q] Be urgent Sabrina! Grab Homura and get in the van MOF! Tell her to point you to Asunaro quickly, there's no time to explain!
 
Torgamous said:
Sure, and my family would stop paying for my grandfather's medication if he died, but I wouldn't consider him dying to have solved the problem.
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That's not what this is about.

I'm not saying Madoka was unsaveable, or even that I disagree with what Homura Did.

But in the Madokaverse, friendship ON ITS OWN doesn't get very far. It needs to be backed up by something else.

Like, say, being able to remove Grief from someones soul in such a way as to potentially allow you to break the system without a Madokami Interrupt.

That'd do it.
 
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