How is it throwing Sasa under the bus? You've not adequately explained that.
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I'm with Blueberry on this one. Gotta try to save everyone. People do bad things, but that doesn't make them stop being people. (The memetic "best girl", for instance, is a murderer that uses human souls as the equivalent of cattle fodder.)
Giving up on someone, for crimes they might commit - when we already have argued for Oriko and Kirika's sake against Homura - is nothing more then hypocrisy, and an easy way out.
Even if it's hard, and makes things difficult - I don't think trying to help everyone we can could ever be wrong.
Hell, even just giving her friendship and support might help. Even if not...at least give her a warning, about exactly how horrifying being a meguca.
Giving up on someone, for crimes they might commit - when we already have argued for Oriko and Kirika's sake against Homura - is nothing more then hypocrisy, and an easy way out.
Even if it's hard, and makes things difficult - I don't think trying to help everyone we can could ever be wrong.
Hell, even just giving her friendship and support might help. Even if not...at least give her a warning, about exactly how horrifying being a meguca.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Actually, you bring a good point.
We can talk with Sasa in timestop, show off our magic, and everything... because she won't feel inferior to us once she knows our Soul's been mutilated.
The Lichbomb should be good enough.
I'm wary about the Witchbomb, though. It's dangerous knowledge to let spread around.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
We're not saying to not come back! It's at most a few minutes.
Onmur
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Sure. No reason to do it right this very instant. We'll finish what we were doing and be back with Sasa in fifteen minutes. Half an hour, at most.
Hell, even if Sasa up and vanished, we can track her down with Grief senses again. We've got time while Mami is at school.
And putting things off worked so well for Sayaka's issues? This is literally saying Mami's lunch having us there instead of telepathy and an apology matters more than Sasa's contract and her potentially being a major, time-consuming mess.
No we can't because she might wish anyway and it's a show of power which given her issues is very bad. Keep her away from magic.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
There's a big fucking difference between fifteen minutes and "Oh, I'll talk to her tomorrow", as well as a big fucking difference between being rescued from a witch and... absolutely no fucking reason to suspect Sasa is about to contract.
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Don't forget we have an appointment with Kyouko and Yuma sometime this afternoon.
"Sasa doesn't matter. Let's leave her despite her being miserable and us being right there and go have lunch with Mami instead of just letting her know that someone needs help and we'll have to telepathy her instead of being there for hugs."
How do you know that? You have no evidence she isn't about to contract.
So we won't have time later to deal with her, and we should still put her off now?
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
By your asinine measure, there's also no evidence that Madoka isn't about to contract. Please stop your argument from ignorance and debate in good faith for a change?
Mami is expecting Sabrina to be there. Telepathy is a piss-poor substitute.
If only we knew Madoka's situation by virtue of actually talking with her regularly and having her surrounded by friends and demotivated to contract.
Except that we do.
The same can't be said for Sasa and what we do know of her does not look good.
Which is why we explain in no unclear detail just why we need to do that. I don't feel risking Sasa's life and plot complications is worth it for "Mami gets hugs right now instead of telepathy" given that this problem isn't from Mami, it's entirely self inflicted. From US saying something very silly and uncalled for.
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Higure is talking about using the Lichbomb/Witchbomb as ways to prevent Sasa from contracting in the first place, telling her before she Contracts. This is something that we have to do, because telling her after she Contracts will cause her to shatter her own Soul Gem.
Yeah, that's literally what we're saying. The certainty of, once again, breaking trust with Mami is more important than the extremely minor risk of Sasa contracting in the next 15-30 minutes
Actually we do: the Incubators actually can't talk someone into a Contract in Timestop, and there isn't one nearby. It actually takes time to talk someone into a Contract.
It's Sasa. The Lichbomb might not deter her and the Witchbomb is quest suicide to spread around.
Well, that's wrong.
Which would be fine if we weren't ditching timestop indefinitely and Sasa didn't have the impulse control of the average goldfish.
If PMAS went up to a dragon's lair to rescue a princess, this vote approach would be the equivalent of going back to the tavern for a nice ale and wondering why the princess got eaten alive when we did remember to actually kill the dragon a month later. Calling it PC/murderhobo logic is unfair to both of those because those aren't just...apathy.
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Onmur
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This is why we need to make a Sabrina doll. An adequate replacement so Mami doesn't have to rely on KB coms to talk with Sabrina, who always has more importants things to do.
Torgamous
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We rescheduled our meeting with Ono a few times, and that was someone we knew needed help and had actually set a time with. Sasa, unlike Ono, is completely oblivious to our existence and might not have ever spoken to Kyuubey, so the idea that this is something we must do right this very second is no more accurate than it is for any other given Potential in the universe.
And that didn't bite us? To the point where she wants nothing to do with us?
This is like if we saw Ono crying with her gem filling up and just decided to ignore her.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
This is utterly wrong when we're talking about Mami's inconvenience against a life-risking threat for Ono. We screwed up badly and to do it again shows we've learned nothing from our mistakes.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Guys, stop engaging with Ugolino. He's not paying attention to what any individual is saying, he's lumping everyone who opposes his vote into a single argument that he's then attacking.
@Ugolino
Your argument seems to be with Onmur, so actually address your responses to him, rather than ascribing his arguments to others.
@Ugolino
Your argument seems to be with Onmur, so actually address your responses to him, rather than ascribing his arguments to others.
Onmur's the one whose argument I'm actively aghast at-ie: Sasa doesn't matter- and desperately don't want to see in the story at all other than as a stray thought because of just how wrong it is.
I think the Redshirt approach, on the other hand, is simply just leaving too much to chance when we're literally right in front of Sasa and can easily do something about it.
We just need to care.
We're not playing Murderhobo McEdgeton. We're playing Sabrina. What would Sabrina do if there was a magical girl or person who needed help?
I think the Redshirt approach, on the other hand, is simply just leaving too much to chance when we're literally right in front of Sasa and can easily do something about it.
We just need to care.
We're not playing Murderhobo McEdgeton. We're playing Sabrina. What would Sabrina do if there was a magical girl or person who needed help?
Torgamous
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If we were seeing Sasa crying with her gem filling up I would agree, but since she very clearly does not have a gem to fill up this is unlike that.
If we screw up, she definitely will do. The analogy holds.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Then please stop acting like everyone who is arguing not to leave timestop here is also arguing to not give a fuck about Sasa. Just because people disagree with you, does not mean they all agree with each other. Seriously, man, stop and think.
Not even a little. There's no Soul Gem here, no Contract. We don't even see an Incubator in this picture. Or are you suggesting that an Incubator shows up every time a little girl frowns?