Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
... Triumvirate?
OTT = One True Triumvirate.
I mean, why ever not?
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OTT = One True Triumvirate.
I mean, why ever not?
akrasiel23
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I would rather use Triad; Triumvirate means three people that govern together with equal power.
Ah, I see, so Sayaka is going to work her way out of her perceived debt to Sabrina by continuously imposing on Sabrina for cleanses for the foreseeable future. I'm sure nothing can go wrong there.
FelOnyx
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I'd like it if an update ended with Oriko saying "Socialguca, as you might call her, is inbound to the city" and we all celebrate, and next update she immediately corrects herself and says she meant to say Sociology guca."
Second Triumvirate best Triumvirate.
It's not exactly a bother for us. She just has to occasionally enter our general vicinity, and we do it for literally everyone else we meet as well.
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[x] Yeah... yeah, I'll try. Mami's already starting to warm up to you two, and Homura... she got hurt, badly, by other versions of you. But I'll work on it.
[x] Let's... talk to Oriko a bit. There was actually something I wanted to discuss with her, but obviously this took priority. Hmm... and having some say in her own future might do her some good.
[x] I... was planning on letting Sayaka Miki know about you two at some point. It's only a matter of time until the information gets out, since the white rat knows it. Obviously, you two get quite a bit of say into how that will happen. I'm not sure Oriko's in a great state to discuss that right now, though...
[x] Follow best-buddy's lead on this. Try and raise the issue with Oriko, while giving her agency in determining the outcome.
No. of Votes: 3
Redshirt Army
DB_Explorer
Skelm
[x] Yeah... yeah, I'll try. Mami's already starting to warm up to you two, but Homura... well, when you went after Sayaka, you could have just as easily gone after Madoka, and Madoka is her Oriko, so it's going to be really, really hard to get her to come around. But I'll work on it.
[x] Let's... talk to Oriko a bit. There was actually something I wanted to discuss with her, but obviously this took priority. Hmm... and having some say in her own future might do her some good.
[x] I... was planning on letting Sayaka Miki know about you two at some point. It's only a matter of time until the information gets out, since the white rat knows it. Obviously, you two get quite a bit of say into how that will happen. I'm not sure Oriko's in a great state to discuss that right now, though...
[x] Follow best-buddy's lead on this. Try and raise the issue with Oriko, while giving her agency in determining the outcome.
No. of Votes: 1
TheEyes
Total No. of Voters: 4
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[x] Yeah... yeah, I'll try. Mami's already starting to warm up to you two, and Homura... she got hurt, badly, by other versions of you. But I'll work on it.
[x] Let's... talk to Oriko a bit. There was actually something I wanted to discuss with her, but obviously this took priority. Hmm... and having some say in her own future might do her some good.
[x] I... was planning on letting Sayaka Miki know about you two at some point. It's only a matter of time until the information gets out, since the white rat knows it. Obviously, you two get quite a bit of say into how that will happen. I'm not sure Oriko's in a great state to discuss that right now, though...
[x] Follow best-buddy's lead on this. Try and raise the issue with Oriko, while giving her agency in determining the outcome.
No. of Votes: 3
Redshirt Army
DB_Explorer
Skelm
[x] Yeah... yeah, I'll try. Mami's already starting to warm up to you two, but Homura... well, when you went after Sayaka, you could have just as easily gone after Madoka, and Madoka is her Oriko, so it's going to be really, really hard to get her to come around. But I'll work on it.
[x] Let's... talk to Oriko a bit. There was actually something I wanted to discuss with her, but obviously this took priority. Hmm... and having some say in her own future might do her some good.
[x] I... was planning on letting Sayaka Miki know about you two at some point. It's only a matter of time until the information gets out, since the white rat knows it. Obviously, you two get quite a bit of say into how that will happen. I'm not sure Oriko's in a great state to discuss that right now, though...
[x] Follow best-buddy's lead on this. Try and raise the issue with Oriko, while giving her agency in determining the outcome.
No. of Votes: 1
TheEyes
Total No. of Voters: 4
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I know!
Makes as much sense as anything else, I'd say.
She can help, if she can safely copy Grief Control.
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While Sayaka's power copying is fantastically useful, it doesn't lend itself particularly well to getting away from feelings of inadequacy and imposition if she can only contribute by becoming a weaker imitation of an existing guca.
That's why it's absolutely critical for Sayaka to develop the skills she has other than just practicing with copied powers. She's got the makings of a strong melee build, and both her wish's intension (wanting to contribute, not wanting to be a burden, being able to do the things Mami, Sabrina, and Homura can do) and it's expression (duplication of nearby abilities) make me think she's probably got an off-the-charts wish boost to learning through duplication. If we sit her down in front of Kyoko I expect her to become an absolute beast in melee faster than you can blink.
Then, she should focus on interactions her power alone can provide. There probably isn't much she can do with ribbons that Mami hasn't already done much better, but what if she grips both Mami and Sabrina's hands? Or, later on, Homura and Oriko's? I'm getting Kirby 64 flashbacks, and if Mami can turn ribbons into muskets, Sayaka can definitely eventually figure out multi-copying.
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Vinyl
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What, no, it's totally fine to let Madoka near the pair, so long as we're not nearby too.
Just remind Oriko that we're just as much of a threat to everything that Madoka is, and we're entirely willing to witch out of spite if she dies.
No point in saving the world from one threat if you doom it to another.
No, that is a terrible idea and an empty threat.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
No we're fucking not and if people keep suggesting this bullshit I'm going to start doing shit worthy of infractions.
FelOnyx
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Dude. Dude. This is a comment, on an internet quest, for a fictional series, that will never be acted on because the rest of us aren't idiots. It's not worth getting at all worked up over.
Vinyl
The pinnacle of mental health and good ideas
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OK true, but it is likely to happen by sheer accident in our horrible necromancy time travel experiments.
Probably shouldn't say that though.
Well sure, it's not really a problem for us, but it's not exactly helping her feelings of inadequacy if she's getting herself further and further into perceived debt by "imposing" on us; in fact if we cleanse her too often and she starts to object, she may pull an Oriko and have her own magic turn against her.
@Redshirt Army, @DB_Explorer, @Skelm is it really a good idea to reveal the whole time looping thing to Kirika? Not only is it not our secret to tell, but it's not like Kirika really has any perspective on why that means she should be sympathetic to Homura.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
Yea, well, it keeps happening and it's not fucking funny or amusing or edgy or anything. It's fucking disgusting.
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...Didn't we discuss the "other Oriko" right in front of her? Just last update? Also, Oriko almost certainly knows, and she hasn't kept Kirika out of the loop on much of anything.
I guess I just lump Kirika into the same catagory as Oriko and Homura when it comes to revealing metaknowlege.
FelOnyx
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Again, "fucking disgusting" seems a bit strong for idiotic internet comments. And not even idiotic internet comments about actual real-life issues.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
But does she know...
I now remember... Were we to tell Homura's story to Kirika, she should totally become an Homura fangirl.
So, you know, we "shouldn't" do that.
Poor Homu.
Maybe, but even if that's true I don't see it garnering much sympathy/empathy, whereas the argument that Homura loves Madoka as much as Kirika loves Oriko, and the two of them, in the Homumind, were a coin-flip away from burning down Madoka's house with her inside, just to provoke a reaction, well that should give Kirika a bit of perspective on how close to being horribly destroyed the two of them came, and how hard it is going to be to talk Homura around.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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Witching a girl is an allegory for something pretty awful, Fel. I'm just going to leave it at that and go calm down.
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Here's a list of Sayaka experiments I want to try:
Hypothesis: Sayaka can combine powers to obtain unique abilities.
Experiment 1: Sayaka acquires a power, then tries to acquire a second power while the first is still active.
Experiment 2: Sayaka attempts to acquire powers from two meguca simultaneously.
Predicted Result: Even if Sayaka is unable to acquire multiple powers at her current level of skill, I anticipate her feeling the possibility of future progress in that area.
Hypothesis: Sayaka's wish covers acquisition of mundane skills that make her "useful" as well.
Experiment: Sabrina tries to teach Sayaka a mundane skill that she is highly competent in and will doubtless prove helpful in the future. I suggest an English lesson, so Sayaka can act as an additional translator when a shitload of foreignguca inevitably show up.
Predicted Result: Sayaka's progress in acquiring the skill is greatly accelerated compared to normal. Sayaka in despair at us bringing English lessons into her magical girl career.
Hypothesis: Sayaka can acquire even inactive powers that are inaccessible to their owners.
Experiment: Sayaka attempts to acquire Kyoko's power.
Predicted Result: Sayaka able to use Kyoko's power. Yuma heals Sayaka's stab wounds.
Hypothesis: Sayaka gains insight into the powers and wish of girls she copies.
Experiment: Sayaka copies Mami's ability, then attempts to figure out Mami's wish.
Predicted Result: Sayaka, even if she cannot determine the wish outright, is able to determine the approximate meaning of the wish. Mumi hugs. "Oh, Sabrina."
Hypothesis: Sayaka can combine powers to obtain unique abilities.
Experiment 1: Sayaka acquires a power, then tries to acquire a second power while the first is still active.
Experiment 2: Sayaka attempts to acquire powers from two meguca simultaneously.
Predicted Result: Even if Sayaka is unable to acquire multiple powers at her current level of skill, I anticipate her feeling the possibility of future progress in that area.
Hypothesis: Sayaka's wish covers acquisition of mundane skills that make her "useful" as well.
Experiment: Sabrina tries to teach Sayaka a mundane skill that she is highly competent in and will doubtless prove helpful in the future. I suggest an English lesson, so Sayaka can act as an additional translator when a shitload of foreignguca inevitably show up.
Predicted Result: Sayaka's progress in acquiring the skill is greatly accelerated compared to normal. Sayaka in despair at us bringing English lessons into her magical girl career.
Hypothesis: Sayaka can acquire even inactive powers that are inaccessible to their owners.
Experiment: Sayaka attempts to acquire Kyoko's power.
Predicted Result: Sayaka able to use Kyoko's power. Yuma heals Sayaka's stab wounds.
Hypothesis: Sayaka gains insight into the powers and wish of girls she copies.
Experiment: Sayaka copies Mami's ability, then attempts to figure out Mami's wish.
Predicted Result: Sayaka, even if she cannot determine the wish outright, is able to determine the approximate meaning of the wish. Mumi hugs. "Oh, Sabrina."
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We should also test limitations on the copy.
Power, versatility, efficiency (on cost to the soul gem) - are they exactly the same as the original, or do they vary by the wielder. If Blueberry gets our ability, does she get a 100m range from her own gem? Is it smaller? Are the powers exact copies, or is mutation a factor? (Ex: Something like [slowing down time] or [stopping the time of certain objects] from Homura's [Time stop]?)
Does she have a time limitation?
Does she need to be a certain radius of the original meguca?
What about transforming...?
Can she copy powers when she's not transformed? (Surprise attack!)
If she copies a power, de-transforms, and retransforms, does she lose that power?
Does the condition of the donor-meguca matter? (Ex: Can she copy Oriko, with "damaged" magic? What if the meguca dies? If she witches out? These are unethical to test... perhaps exposure to anti-magic could replicate death? Theoretically, it should break the [Connection] if such a thing exists.)
DB_Explorer
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[x] My vote! currently in the air after some thought
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Experiment: Introduce Sayaka and Koko.
Predicted Result: OTP OTP OTP.
Hypothesis: ...
Sadly, it seems that, while Sayaka Wished Good, her successful meguca career will come after a long, long time of training, as she can't specialize in her Wish magic, so she'll have to well and throughly master the basics so that she can adapt herself to any power/situation.
It was like 5% corruption for half an hour using Mami's power. And noticeably building up corruption.
That's not good.
Mami's power is one of the less magic intensive powers ever, since she basically wasted her potential.
One of the biggest problems with Sayaka possibly copying Sabrina's power is that it might be well beyond her potential, and threaten to witch her out very quickly. She might not be able to use it, or at least not able to keep it, because she might need to be constantly cleansing in order to use Grief Control.
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0/10 would not ship
Efficiency might come with practice - IIRC, Homu's healing cost less magic and did more then Mumi's when we got our leg blown off.
It's also possible that she has an "Upkeep" cost - an imaginary "link" that allows her to tap into the magic and bootleg the magic of the donor. (In which case, it is likely that the donor's loss of ability would impact Blueberry's copy).
Hmm...
Well, we'll be ready to keep a constant cleanse going as she copies us.
Actually, we should try and get a rough estimate of our potential. Find something relatively simple we can do - have Homu teach us to shoot LAZARZ!? - and then try to get it down to numbers. Grief bending doesn't seem to be super costly, but is Sabrina just cleansing often without really keeping track, or is it a sort of "passive" that simply adds to the general "being a meguca" upkeep? That is to say, we wished to control all grief - does manipulating one marble cost as much as two? Five? Does more grief = more cost?
...so much science, so little time.
FelOnyx
Love and Peace!
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If I recall correctly,* we have shot a Homu-style laser at one point. Discarded them for kinda sucking, but we could use it for this purpose.
*if there was a me drinking game, someone would be taking a shot right here.