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Can we ask Kirika why exactly she thinks it is a mistake to stop talking now? (Or otherwise get her to elaborate.) It could be more than just a feeling, considering her Wish.
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Can we ask Kirika why exactly she thinks it is a mistake to stop talking now? (Or otherwise get her to elaborate.) It could be more than just a feeling, considering her Wish.
I'm pretty sure it's her opinion as well- don't see asking as giving useful information and it'd just be awkward.
Basically, it doesn't matter why she thinks that way, we should trust her judgement.
Onmur
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Actually throw Oriko out the city.
It's not a good place for her, to be honest. It'd do her good to live somewhere she can go out for a walk without needing to use magic in order to not trip over somebody eager to talk shit at her.
Not like anybody really cares about Kirika's parents opinion anyway.
It's not a good place for her, to be honest. It'd do her good to live somewhere she can go out for a walk without needing to use magic in order to not trip over somebody eager to talk shit at her.
Not like anybody really cares about Kirika's parents opinion anyway.
...Actually, that's a really important thing that we should have been bringing up for a while now, except that we've been too busy.
At least I've forgotten to mention it for a while now.
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Oriko won't allow it. She said it wasn't an option for her.
I don't mean to question her judgment, as I do agree with her, but it's a big deal that she's standing up to Oriko like this. If there's a specific reason we really want to know, so I think it'd be worth slight awkwardness to make sure we're not missing something important.
We would have to be careful not to imply that Kirika is hiding something from Oriko, or that we're trying to turn Kirika against Oriko, but that should be navigable.
Onmur
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I'm not asking Oriko's opinion.
If there's really something stopping this, she'll have to actually explain, because we can Gem them and literally throw them somewhere else; hell, we could probably help Mami and get her to make an enchantment akin to Homura's shield, so we can stuff Oriko and Kirika in an extended, nearly time-stopped space, give them to somebody else and ask them to release them in another continent.
Just to make sure it's clear, I'm saying kicking Oriko out by force.
...Uh, yeah, I'm kind of seriously against that because no matter how good our intentions...
That doesn't seem like the right thing to do. Or something that'll end happily.
Thing is...I don't see asking that as changing anything, and it could make things worse. It doesn't matter exactly why Kirika feels that way, only that she's probably right about it.
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It does if she has information we don't.
I agree with you on the "force Oriko out" thing though. On the plus side, Oriko might get her powers back. On the minus side, it'd be because she'd sooner go rogue than leave, as I understand it.
Thing is...that almost certainly isn't the case- it's fairly likely to be just how she feels about the matter, ie: her good judgement.
We should back her up, not poke at her.
Onmur
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The more time passes without an answer to Oriko's problem, the better it'll sound to kick her out. At the very least it could be useful if she actually explained why she "can't" choose to walk out the city by herself.
Kirika didn't even talk to them when we told her to; it was Oriko who called.
As said, nobody really cares, they've been summarily punted out of the picture since the quest started....Actually, that's a really important thing that we should have been bringing up for a while now, except that we've been too busy.
At least I've forgotten to mention it for a while now.
Kirika didn't even talk to them when we told her to; it was Oriko who called.
No...I really don't see it that way. Strongly, strongly disagree with this plan. She can't survive, she'll be too far away to help, and it won't make life better for anyone except Homuhomu.
Yeahhhh and if we didn't have bigger problems right now I'd be a lot more insistent that we ask Kirika about them since that'll likely be a problem and her parents deserve better.
We could just leave it there to give her a chance to respond or say something. Talk with her instead of at her.
If you guys insist though, I suppose we can thank her for all that she's done and for putting up with everything. With all that she said she wasn't good enough: Masami and Hiroko, Ono, Sendai, Ishinomaki. All those people are alive because of her. Because she helped. When she could have simply just bailed a long time ago. Or we could make a little sub-vote where if she's still ticked off at us, to leave Oriko and Kirika be for a while.
As for the leads, go for it when there's a opening, I guess? At least it would be something other than just trying to convince her to keep going.
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Onmur
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Gonna need a quote on this one.
Where she can't survive right now, is in Mitakihara. The longer we go without solving Oriko's soul issue and her being killed by Feathers or any of the other candidates, the closer Oriko is to death.
What.
On the plus side, Oriko will live.
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It's not something I want to really force on her though. I suppose we can bring it up to her as a last resort to see what she thinks of it, but I'm not sure.
Onmur
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I can see her figuring we might try that in the future as it is, since we've made it clear we're putting her life above her powers and what help she can bring us, already.
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As matters stand now, I don't think she'll survive no matter where she is. If she's away from a practical cause, she simply expires. Perhaps her soul twists into itself to the point where the gem simply shatters on its own.
Also, I came across another important Oriko quote during my search. If you think Oriko won't go rogue if she deems it necessary, here's what she had to say when she said that sometimes it's Sabrina that kills her:
This means no ending the house arrest quickly. To protect our relationship with Homura, Oriko has explicitly told us that's she'll go to such extreme lengths that we'll be forced to kill her, and I don't see a way to end the house arrest now without going against Homura's explicit wishes. Even if we came up with the absolute perfect plan, Homura would call in the massive favor we promised her after she didn't kill Oriko and Kirika the first time.
Onmur
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You yourself quoted this:
I've acknowledged there might be an actual good reason behind Oriko's Yet Again Not Explaining What She Means, but in the case there actually isn't, and Oriko's Yet Again Doing The Stupid, then O&K not being in Mitakihara basically solves all their problems.
Her Soul will stop twisting if she comes to accept her Wish, and she's rejecting it because she's getting ever closer to a certain death and doesn't have any power to do anything.
Her not being in Mitakihara gets her away from certain death and gives her freedom.
If Blonde/Green Eyes meguca somehow knows of her and holds a grudge big enough to track her down and kill her no matter where she is, then that would be a problem; one of the ways Oriko would most likely die even away from Mitakihara.
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I remember this. Of course we're not ending the house arrest against Homura's wishes, or behind her back. That would be hilarious, in a really bad way.
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Homura prioritizes Madoka's well-being, and would more likely consider Oriko and Kirika as threats.
In short, I think she would lean more towards the latter.
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Julian Bradshaw
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Sorry, the house arrest thing was just a general note, not a response to you. People keep bringing up the possibility so I thought I'd include that quote in my post.
As for leaving Mitakihara, she said that "some choices simply aren't". That's very similar to what she's said about avoiding her death - I think it's more than just a preference. Also, I stand by my guess that Oriko will sooner go rogue than allow herself to be removed from events in Mitakihara. The fate of the world is at stake in that city, and she needs to make sure things stay on track. If we even suggest forcing them out, Oriko will be furious.
Could we overpower her and Kirika if she goes rogue again? Probably. But once we do, Homura will kill them.
It'd be enough that she might listen to us argue for it again. It wouldn't change her decision, though.
Onmur
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Taking bets on how long it takes for Homu to suggest killing Oriko once we tell her and Mami how's things going at the Mikuni house.
Also taking bets for how long it'll take her to imply killing Oriko (lowest estimate: 8 microseconds).
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"If you need me to help, I can."
If she leads with any of these, then I'm 90% certain that Sabrina will reflexively manifest a grief rolled-up newspaper as soon as it's clear she's talking about killing her.