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Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
She knows.
What we should tell her is that we want to tell Sayaka The Truth™.
Today, preferably.
Might take a couple of updates. It does look like we're making progress, but it's slow going.
Loktarogar
The Apex of Cuddling
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- Brazil
[x] Always Happening
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Always Happening
We could have prevented this.
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- On a train with no brakes
>people voting for a proto-vote I haven't actually voted for yet
Changed 'knew' to 'learned' re: SD|Oriko using visions, since that part could read a little too needlessly antagonistic
ED: Tentatively slotted in my vote
ED2: unslotting my vote because I hadn't realized banjo was rewording it; awaiting vote processing
Changed 'knew' to 'learned' re: SD|Oriko using visions, since that part could read a little too needlessly antagonistic
ED2: unslotting my vote because I hadn't realized banjo was rewording it; awaiting vote processing
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banjo2E
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[x] shrug
-[x] "Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I honestly don't know, my weird alternate timeline knowledge doesn't tell me how that story ended. But that's not the point."
-[x] "The point is that version of you had better odds against Walpurgisnacht than you do now, because she had her head in the game, wasn't crippled by her own magic, and could shoot friggin' laser beams. That Oriko learned how to use her visions, rather than being used by them."
-[x]"And above all that she was happy, because she'd found something more important to her than the whole world. If you died- and I don't know whether you did or not- you died together, and you died with no regrets. "
-[x] "Fate is never writ in stone, because Magical Girls make the impossible possible. That's the whole point of us existing. What did you think the odds were, after you burned down Sayaka's house, that we'd just drop out of thin air to beat the shit out of you? Just because you don't see a way to survive doesn't mean we can't make one."
-[x] "You of all people should know how many people should have died by now, but didn't, because we saved them. You saved them, because you saw a terrible fate in store for them, and you fought it. We proved your visions wrong, and we've been able to stack the deck against Walpurgisnacht- and whatever comes after it- more than it's ever been. I've seen it be destroyed, and nobody has to die for that to happen."
-[x] "I just want you to think. Not about what you would die for, but what you would fight and kick and scream to live for, no matter what the odds were, even if everything told you it was impossible.
Minor rewording of @Always Happening's draft.
-[x] "Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I honestly don't know, my weird alternate timeline knowledge doesn't tell me how that story ended. But that's not the point."
-[x] "The point is that version of you had better odds against Walpurgisnacht than you do now, because she had her head in the game, wasn't crippled by her own magic, and could shoot friggin' laser beams. That Oriko learned how to use her visions, rather than being used by them."
-[x]"And above all that she was happy, because she'd found something more important to her than the whole world. If you died- and I don't know whether you did or not- you died together, and you died with no regrets. "
-[x] "Fate is never writ in stone, because Magical Girls make the impossible possible. That's the whole point of us existing. What did you think the odds were, after you burned down Sayaka's house, that we'd just drop out of thin air to beat the shit out of you? Just because you don't see a way to survive doesn't mean we can't make one."
-[x] "You of all people should know how many people should have died by now, but didn't, because we saved them. You saved them, because you saw a terrible fate in store for them, and you fought it. We proved your visions wrong, and we've been able to stack the deck against Walpurgisnacht- and whatever comes after it- more than it's ever been. I've seen it be destroyed, and nobody has to die for that to happen."
-[x] "I just want you to think. Not about what you would die for, but what you would fight and kick and scream to live for, no matter what the odds were, even if everything told you it was impossible.
Minor rewording of @Always Happening's draft.
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AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
[x] Banjo2E
FelOnyx
Love and Peace!
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Fiddling with the vote a bit. Reworded some stuff, changed the order of a few things. Also changed "goddamn laser beams" to "friggin' laser beams" because we've gotta do this right.
Changed up the order of points here.
[] shrug
-[] "They may have. Honestly I don't know, my weird alternate timeline knowledge didn't tell me how it ended. But that's not the point."
-[] "The point is that version of you had better odds than you do now, because she had her head in the game, wasn't crippled by her own magic, and could shoot friggin' laser beams. That Oriko learned how to use her visions, rather than being used by them."
-[] "And above all that she was happy, because she'd found something more important to her than the whole world. If you died- and I don't know that you did- you died together, with no regrets.
Think these bits make more sense in this order.
-[] "Fate is never written in stone, because Magical Girls make the impossible possible. That's the whole point of us existing. What did you think the odds were, after you burned down Sayaka's house, that we'd just drop out of thin air to beat the shit out of you? Just because you don't see a way to survive doesn't mean we can't make one."
-[] "You of all people should know how many people should have died by now, but didn't, because we saved them. You saved them, because you saw a terrible fate in store for them, and you fought it. We proved your visions wrong, and we've been able to stack the deck against Walpurgisnacht- and whatever comes after it- more than it's ever been. I've seen it be destroyed, and nobody has to die for that to happen."
-[] "I want you to think. Not about what you would die for, but what you would fight and kick and scream to live for, no matter what the odds were, even if you knew it was impossible."
Not the biggest fan of this bit. "I'll force you to live" doesn't seem to go that well with "you should screw destiny and make a path to living."
"I'll give you a couple days, and if you can't think of anything, let me know so that I can stick you in my pocket until this all blows over; you will live, even if I have to force you to live."
Changed up the order of points here.
[] shrug
-[] "They may have. Honestly I don't know, my weird alternate timeline knowledge didn't tell me how it ended. But that's not the point."
-[] "The point is that version of you had better odds than you do now, because she had her head in the game, wasn't crippled by her own magic, and could shoot friggin' laser beams. That Oriko learned how to use her visions, rather than being used by them."
-[] "And above all that she was happy, because she'd found something more important to her than the whole world. If you died- and I don't know that you did- you died together, with no regrets.
Think these bits make more sense in this order.
-[] "Fate is never written in stone, because Magical Girls make the impossible possible. That's the whole point of us existing. What did you think the odds were, after you burned down Sayaka's house, that we'd just drop out of thin air to beat the shit out of you? Just because you don't see a way to survive doesn't mean we can't make one."
-[] "You of all people should know how many people should have died by now, but didn't, because we saved them. You saved them, because you saw a terrible fate in store for them, and you fought it. We proved your visions wrong, and we've been able to stack the deck against Walpurgisnacht- and whatever comes after it- more than it's ever been. I've seen it be destroyed, and nobody has to die for that to happen."
-[] "I want you to think. Not about what you would die for, but what you would fight and kick and scream to live for, no matter what the odds were, even if you knew it was impossible."
Not the biggest fan of this bit. "I'll force you to live" doesn't seem to go that well with "you should screw destiny and make a path to living."
"I'll give you a couple days, and if you can't think of anything, let me know so that I can stick you in my pocket until this all blows over; you will live, even if I have to force you to live."
banjo2E
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Fair points. I've modified my version a bit to take them into account.
EtchedSteel
*mumble mumble*
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- Lima. Peru
[x] Always Happening
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- East of the Sun and West of the Moon
Indeed. When is she going to finish growing that arm back, geez.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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- He/Him
Okay, I agree with this. The real point to the story--the real meaning behind it, for Oriko--is how Oriko resolved to keep going and succeed in spite of the odds, and was happy for it.
The exact revelation isn't especially important--this Oriko could have a similar revelation about her own feelings about saving the world, or something. The key goal we need to achieve is to get Oriko to stop giving up and to stop feeling resigned to a fate she doesn't want for herself.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Geez... so much of the lyrics would fit so well... we should make a modified version for Kirika to sing to Oriko...
[Q] Show Kirika the Rickroll.
-[Q] Have her Rickroll Oriko every time she even hints to giving up to her fate.
--[Q] ... She might actually end up repeating herself less than we've had.
---[Q] We're such a broken record.
EDIT: Now that I remember, we did get Kirika to get a spray bottle to punish Oriko for using precog... pity that didn't take off, for reasons.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Let's see... some rewordings... and some additional ideas, maybe.
[X] Shrug.
-[X] I wouldn't know. That Oriko found her answer and her happiness and that's the end of that story. What happened afterwards is not the point.
[X] Smile.
-[X] That Oriko was admirable. She knew what she wanted, knew what she had, and was happy with it. So she wasn't crippled by her own magic, she was in control, could direct her visions fully... and she could shoot freaking laser beams... And you can do just as well, if not better.
[X] Cough.
-[X] Our Fate isn't set in stone. We make the impossible possible. How many times have your visions failed? You're not omniscient Oriko, as you've told me.
-[X] I've got your word that anything you see can be changed, and I believe you... You've told me Homura and I can 'change destiny', right? But I think you're forgetting something important there: It's you who can make that ability worth it.
-[X] I can break things, change what's going to happen, but that's not good enough on its own. It's thanks to you that I've managed to change things for good. You've guided us to the right places, gave us the right answers, so we could save lives. We saved lives. You, Oriko, have saved so many people as it is... and you're not done. You can do more, better even, once this... imprisonment is over. And it will end, I promise.
[X] Sympathy.
-[X] ... I've seen it all go wrong, you know? Just a moment of despair after the end... a bad end with all broken into pieces...
-[X] It only increased my resolve to not let that happen. I'll stop it, and I, we, will keep on living. We might have to put our lives on the line, but we will make it through, so tell me, not what would you die for, but what would you live for, Oriko?
-[X] What you would fight and kick and scream to live for, no matter what the odds were, even if everything told you it was impossible?
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
This looks to me like we're saying "as opposed to this Oriko, who is really not admirable."
I'm not sure she's in the mood right this moment.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
-[] That Oriko was admirable. She knew what she wanted, knew what she had, and was happy with it. So she wasn't crippled by her own magic, she was in control, could direct her visions fully... and she could shoot freaking laser beams... And you can do just as well, if not better.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Voting can take days at times, with refinements, changes, and bandwagons actually getting overturned at times.
Or did you mean something else?
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Hmmm.... I don't know. I think it was the tone of the vote. It's like we're winning some major thing here. The last few updates had been a bit depressing.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Look at all this winning.
Look at it.
Thankfully, Koko is still here. I can't properly express how hilarious I find this.
Windlass
A Windy Lass
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- Wherever the wind is blowing
[X] Shrug.
-[X] I wouldn't know. That Oriko found her answer and her happiness and that's the end of that story. What happened afterwards is not the point.
[X] Smile.
-[X] That Oriko was admirable. She knew what she wanted, knew what she had, and was happy with it. So she wasn't crippled by her own magic, she was in control, could direct her visions fully... and she could shoot freaking laser beams... And you can do just as well, if not better.
[X] Cough.
-[X] Our Fate isn't set in stone. We make the impossible possible. How many times have your visions failed? You're not omniscient Oriko, as you've told me.
-[X] I've got your word that anything you see can be changed, and I believe you... You've told me Homura and I can 'change destiny', right? But I think you're forgetting something important there: It's you who can make that ability worth it.
-[X] I can break things, change what's going to happen, but that's not good enough on its own. It's thanks to you that I've managed to change things for good. You've guided us to the right places, gave us the right answers, so we could save lives. We saved lives. You, Oriko, have saved so many people as it is... and you're not done. You can do more, better even, once this... imprisonment is over. And it will end, I promise.
[X] Sympathy.
-[X] ... I've seen it all go wrong, you know? Just a moment of despair after the end... a bad end with all broken into pieces...
-[X] It only increased my resolve to not let that happen. I'll stop it, and I, we, will keep on living. We might have to put our lives on the line, but we will make it through, so tell me, not what would you die for, but what would you live for, Oriko?
-[X] What you would fight and kick and scream to live for, no matter what the odds were, even if everything told you it was impossible?
OMNUR...! I said I would vote with you, so yeah, this is me doin' that.
I like this, we've gotta kick Oriko's chronic fatalism in the balls until it fucks off. There's this kinda weird central paradoxy thing where she acknowledges her fallibility then takes her visions as absolute evidence of stuff, 'cause VISIONS. She's emotional and hypocritical behind that mask. We gotta chip at it by telling her about this better version of herself.
-[X] I wouldn't know. That Oriko found her answer and her happiness and that's the end of that story. What happened afterwards is not the point.
[X] Smile.
-[X] That Oriko was admirable. She knew what she wanted, knew what she had, and was happy with it. So she wasn't crippled by her own magic, she was in control, could direct her visions fully... and she could shoot freaking laser beams... And you can do just as well, if not better.
[X] Cough.
-[X] Our Fate isn't set in stone. We make the impossible possible. How many times have your visions failed? You're not omniscient Oriko, as you've told me.
-[X] I've got your word that anything you see can be changed, and I believe you... You've told me Homura and I can 'change destiny', right? But I think you're forgetting something important there: It's you who can make that ability worth it.
-[X] I can break things, change what's going to happen, but that's not good enough on its own. It's thanks to you that I've managed to change things for good. You've guided us to the right places, gave us the right answers, so we could save lives. We saved lives. You, Oriko, have saved so many people as it is... and you're not done. You can do more, better even, once this... imprisonment is over. And it will end, I promise.
[X] Sympathy.
-[X] ... I've seen it all go wrong, you know? Just a moment of despair after the end... a bad end with all broken into pieces...
-[X] It only increased my resolve to not let that happen. I'll stop it, and I, we, will keep on living. We might have to put our lives on the line, but we will make it through, so tell me, not what would you die for, but what would you live for, Oriko?
-[X] What you would fight and kick and scream to live for, no matter what the odds were, even if everything told you it was impossible?
OMNUR...! I said I would vote with you, so yeah, this is me doin' that.
I like this, we've gotta kick Oriko's chronic fatalism in the balls until it fucks off. There's this kinda weird central paradoxy thing where she acknowledges her fallibility then takes her visions as absolute evidence of stuff, 'cause VISIONS. She's emotional and hypocritical behind that mask. We gotta chip at it by telling her about this better version of herself.