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Firnagzen said:
The repercussions of this event will reverberate around the world, leaving it and its ilk with plenty to do in the coming months and years.

I had more than a few meta and in story reasons to have done this... Some of them still apply, even.
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Hmm this is curious. I wonder if this means that the story would have continued after nuking ourselves. Or if perhaps there just would have been an explanation given.

Though honestly seeing how the world would react to a 40 megaton bomb going off in the middle of Japan would be interesting. No two bit terrorist is making one that powerful, as it's at the upper end of things governments have built, and would be rather large if it were a typical thermonuclear device.

It also occurs to me that Mami may see this as an opportunity to get out of the constant life or death fighting of magical girls. With the ability to cleanse grief without risking your life for seeds on a regular basis you can have a much more normal life.
 
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inverted_helix said:
It also occurs to me that Mami may see this as an opportunity to get out of the constant life or death fighting of magical girls. With the ability to cleanse grief without risking your life for seeds on a regular basis you can have a much more normal life.
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Unlikely she'll stop hunting Witches when she's already willing to hunt familiars for no gain. Limitless use of magic is going to make it safer, though.

Also - if this power eventually permits a more general system-break? Forget Earth, a significant subset the futures in which we're alive might involve a premature end to the universe.
Pro: Madoka is no longer at the top of Oriko's shit list.
Con: because we are.
... Hoping this is just shadowruns.
 
It's probably true, though not for that reason...and Mami's definitely not going to stop fighting witches unless someone else clearly takes care of the "lol they eat humans" problem in Mitakihara or she has a mental breakdown.

If the GM was feeling cruel, this might even make Madoka more likely to contract. After all, we took away one of the big drawbacks, didn't we?
 
FlatlineAskari said:
Also - if this power eventually permits a more general system-break? Forget Earth, a significant subset the futures in which we're alive might involve a premature end to the universe.
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Not quite sure what you mean here? I mean even if it is messing with the incubators ability to push off entropy it wouldn't really cause a premature end, more like a less delayed end. Though we don't know how it interacts with entropy at all yet.

Ugolino said:
It's probably true, though not for that reason...and Mami's definitely not going to stop fighting witches unless someone else clearly takes care of the "lol they eat humans" problem in Mitakihara or she has a mental breakdown.

If the GM was feeling cruel, this might even make Madoka more likely to contract. After all, we took away one of the big drawbacks, didn't we?
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These points are both rather true.
 
Torgamous said:
Why not? If they can serve as somewhere to send grief when we're done with it that's a win for everyone.
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You're assuming a whole lot - that our method is more effective for their purposes, for one. If it isn't, they have every reason to want to fuck us over in order to stop us from cleansing soul gems our way.

Hell, the grief we pull out might not even be in a harvestable form. Isn't that what the grief seeds are all about, keeping the grief in a safe, stable form that's easy to use?

Besides, the Incubators are just plain bad news and I don't think we should trust them or work with them even an iota. You'd think that after 495734957th quests of people going "Let's talk/do shit with Kyubey, THERE IS NO WAY IT CAN BEAT US THIS TIME" and the Coobie always finding a way to screw us over anyway, people would learn.
 
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Choo Choo said:
Why would we want to help the Incubators with anything?
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Because being on their good side will make things a lot easier than if they are deliberately obstructing us? A better understanding of magic, which we can give them (for instance by giving them a diagram of the grief flows in magical girls), could well be more valuable to them long term than Madoka contracting.

Edit: Choo, why do you assume that the Incubators are both initially and inevitably hostile?
 
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Talking to Kyubey is likely a bad idea for many reasons.

Throwing Kyubey a ball of compressed grief and asking if can eat it is both a good experiment and good entertainment if the answer turns out to be no.
 
Aranfan said:
Because being on their good side will make things a lot easier than if they are deliberately obstructing us? A better understanding of magic, which we can give them (for instance by giving them a diagram of the grief flows in magical girls), could well be more valuable to them long term than Madoka contracting.
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Read the post above yours. It sums up exactly why I think interacting with Kyubey is a bad idea.

Again, how many times does SV have to go "Oh, let's talk to Kyubey!" before realizing that TALKING TO KYUBEY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA THAT WILL BLOW UP IN OUR FACES? Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
 
Aranfan said:
Because being on their good side will make things a lot easier than if they are deliberately obstructing us? A better understanding of magic, which we can give them (for instance by giving them a diagram of the grief flows in magical girls), could well be more valuable to them long term than Madoka contracting.
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If they were particularly interested in long-term sustainability, they wouldn't want a Madoka contract anyway.
Our power has the potential to deprive them of the Witch payoff; they are our enemy by default.
Any information we give them is information they might be able to turn against us.
 
Choo Choo said:
You're assuming a whole lot - that our method is more effective for their purposes, for one. If it isn't, they have every reason to want to fuck us over in order to stop us from cleansing soul gems our way.

Hell, the grief we pull out might not even be in a harvestable form. Isn't that what the grief seeds are all about, keeping the grief in a safe, stable form that's easy to use?
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Any process that can extract energy from magical girls without destroying them will eventually yield more energy than one that does destroy them.

Fuck if I know what grief seeds are for, but you know what could help get grief into a harvestable form? The Incubators. The post-Madokami grief cubes are not made from the souls of little girls, so it's canonically possible to do that.
Choo Choo said:
Besides, the Incubators are just plain bad news and I don't think we should trust them or work with them even an iota. You'd think that after 495734957th quests of people going "Let's talk/do shit with Kyubey, THERE IS NO WAY IT CAN BEAT US THIS TIME" and the Coobie always finding a way to screw us over anyway, people would learn.
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The other 495734956 quests were people trying to work against Kyuubey. The only quest in my memory where we cooperated with it was Witch Quest, and that was pretty much the only thing in that quest that turned out well.
 
Really, there's no way a single person, however powerful, could cleanse an entire world's worth of megucas on a daily basis. There will always be witches, no matter what Sabrina does. And even if she does manage to clean an entire city daily or something, the incubators could just go, "Welp, time to pick up contracting in America" or something.
 
Choo Choo said:
Read the post above yours. It sums up exactly why I think interacting with Kyubey is a bad idea.

Again, how many times does SV have to go "Oh, let's talk to Kyubey!" before realizing that TALKING TO KYUBEY IS A TERRIBLE IDEA THAT WILL BLOW UP IN OUR FACES? Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
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At least once each quest, because each quest is a different interpretation and a different iteration of kyuubey. Also, working with Kyuubey was fine in witch quest, and that was a Chibi Quest.

FlatlineAskari said:
If they were particularly interested in long-term sustainability, they wouldn't want a Madoka contract anyway.
Our power has the potential to deprive them of the Witch payoff; they are our enemy by default.
Any information we give them is information they might be able to turn against us.
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Unless we have the potential to deprive them of the witch payoff world wide, or in a larger area than Mitikahara, we are a local problem who can make back the investment in other ways like helping to learn about magic.
 
There's interrogating it for facts away from everyone else so that it doesn't pull "but you didn't ask" at a bad time, and then there's trying to get on the good side of an emotionless harvester that's actively planning to murder everyone at some point in their futures.

WitchQuest was WitchQuest, and pretty crack-y. Trying to win over an Incubator in a fairly close to canon rules (so far) quest is like playing Russian Roulette after making absolutely sure the gun's loaded.

Yeah, let's not do that.
 
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Torgamous said:
Any process that can extract energy from magical girls without destroying them will eventually yield more energy than one that does destroy them.

Fuck if I know what grief seeds are for, but you know what could help get grief into a harvestable form? The Incubators. The post-Madokami grief cubes are not made from the souls of little girls, so it's canonically possible to do that.
The other 495734956 quests were people trying to work against Kyuubey. The only quest in my memory where we cooperated with it was Witch Quest, and that was pretty much the only thing in that quest that turned out well.
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You're still assuming that Kyubey can use our grief method at all.

Also, please don't take stuff from Madokami's universe into this. That reality's Incubators had since pre-historic times to figure out how to cleanse soul gems with those little cubes, and that's still assuming that it's of their doing anyway - the wraiths might just have dropped the cubes on their own.

Again, working with Kyubey implies trusting it to some degree, and fucking hell no am I willing to vote for that.
 
Doing anything that gives the incubators even more means to screw magical girls over is fucking stupid. Rebellion prooved opening any doors for Kyubey is going to be exploited ruthlessly, damn the consequences.
 
Ugolino said:
There's interrogating it for facts away from everyone else so that it doesn't pull "but you didn't ask" at a bad time, and then there's trying to get on the good side of an emotionless harvester that's actively planning to murder everyone at some point in their futures.

WitchQuest was WitchQuest, and pretty crack-y. Trying to win over an Incubator in a fairly close to canon rules (so far) quest is like playing Russian Roulette after making absolutely sure the gun's loaded.

Yeah, let's not do that.
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Look. Kyuubey is a being of logic. Tit for Tat is, empirically, an excellent strategy. Be unrelentingly hostile, and it will reciprocate. Be helpful and co-operative, and it will reciprocate.
 
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