[X] Be confident and reassuring. Look Homura in the eye and give comforting smile.
[X] "And that's all right. This whole situation is unprecedented and kind of screwed up. Something or somebody could be messing with us. It might be whatever the threat is, it might not. It's fine to be a little scared and uncertain in the face of all this. This isn't exactly something that anyone can deal with alone it's too much. So I guess it's a good thing that none of us are alone. Whatever this is, we'll beat it and get through this, together. Just like we've gotten through everything else so far. No matter what happens we'll protect the people we care about, from this, Walpurgisnacht, or whatever. Right?"
[X] Put a hand on Homura's shoulder. Pull her into a group hug if she looks receptive to it.
-[X] If things go right, exit out of timestop and ask Mami through telepathy if it would be alright if Homura could come with us to dinner. Ask Homura if she says yes.

aka plan whiskers
 
Whiskers' plan does look pretty good ...

Incidentally, for those doubting our abilities:

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/puella-magi-adfligo-systema.2538/page-658#post-2284270

Here is an example of us manipulating the bodies of meguca, using their own grief against them and completely immoblising them. In a group. With only a tiny amount of grief, while we were much less experienced and were doing far less fancy things. Our main disadvantage here was reaction time(which has been a problem fro a while and we later griefed up a combat improver that really helped with that) Is there a specific other ability that I need to cite in particular?
 
We probably want a private 1:1 talk with Homura later where we reassure her that this is still going to be the last loop, that we're not going to fail/cause the loop to implode like she's afraid of somehow happening, and that whatever's going on, our mission statement hasn't changed and won't change?
 
All of the stuff you added ties us up with constant busywork and keeps us from doing important things.
I want to keep our friends safe. Because "Feathers" just arranged for one of our friends to be attacked. The steps I want to take to do this are:
-[X] We can organize regular checkups with our friends so that we would notice a Witch Kiss if it happens again in the future.
-[X] We can be more active about scanning for witches so that we kill them before they have a chance to be a danger.
-[X] We can network with other magical girls around so that everybody is prepared when Walpurgisnacht and "Feathers" act.
These are not unreasonable, and we're already doing most of it. The regular checkups part is the only part that is really new, and it's a direct response to the way that Sayaka was attacked. "Feathers" can cause our friends to be Kissed. "Feathers" can mess with Oriko's predictions, so we cannot rely on her warnings in the future to protect from this threat. What other ways would you suggest to protect our friends from this avenue of attack?

Also, after the barrier incident, do you really want to say "let me try my powers on the mysterious feather, it'll be fine."? Because Mami and Homu would have every reason to say no.
You assume too much. Our Barrier might possibly be connected to "Feathers". So we agreed not to create one any more because it might be risky. Fine, I can understand that reasoning. But our other grief abilities have never had any ties to "Feathers", so what possible reason would we have to abandon them now? The tests I'm proposing basically boil down to "look really hard at the Feather with all of the enhanced senses at our disposal". Because the Feather might tell us something about "Feathers". Is it risky? Anything we do could potentially be risky, so theoretically, yes. But there aren't any known dangers. As Oriko said, Sayaka is theoretically at risk of being hit by a bus tomorrow. But I fail to see how looking at the Feather with our grief tools could be any more risky than touching the Feather with our grief or with our bare hands, which we already did to no ill effect.

But maybe you're worried about messing with the Feather because it might be connected to "Feathers". That's a legitimate concern, I suppose. But if we want to learn anything about "Feathers", then we will have to do so by interacting with things that are connected in some way to "Feathers". That connection is the very thing that makes the Feather potentially useful as a source of information about "Feathers" in the first place.
 
Yeah, probably a good idea to ask Mami first. I'm pretty sure we've generally got permission to invite friends over
"Looking forward to it," you smile, pushing yourself to your feet. You dismiss both of your hammers, and wander off into the cool shade of the warehouse. "Oh, uh. I said I'd check with you, would you be OK if I invited Homura over tonight to hang out? Or maybe a little earlier, we can all go out?"

"Ah, of course. You don't need to ask, Sabrina," Mami says, sounding surprised. Surprised, and pleased. "I'll be sure to cook something good!"
, but this is an special occasion.

Also good with toning down the hugginess.

[X] Agent Whiskers

[X] "And that's all right. This whole situation is unprecedented and kind of screwed up. Something or somebody could be messing with us. It might be whatever the threat is, it might not. It's fine to be a little scared and uncertain in the face of all this. This isn't exactly something that anyone can deal with alone it's too much. So I guess it's a good thing that none of us are alone. Whatever this is, we'll beat it and get through this, together. Just like we've gotten through everything else so far. No matter what happens we'll protect the people we care about, from this, Walpurgisnacht, or whatever. Right?"
Could we make this a little less wordy?

Maybe:

"And that's all right. This whole thing is so screwed up... I'm scared. It's fine to be scared."
"Somebody out there is messing with us, maybe this nebulous Feathers threat, maybe something else. I don't think I nor anyboly else could deal with this alone, it's too much. So it's good we're not alone. We are in this together, we'll take on this like we'll take on Walpurgisnacht itself, and whatever else thinks to threaten our friends. We'll protect them, no matter what, right?"

... Less wordy, preferably. I'm trying to cram less words with more meaning but it's kind of difficult.
 
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Yeah, probably a good idea to ask Mami first. I'm pretty sure we've generally got permission to invite friends over, but this is an special occasion.

Also good with toning down the hugginess.

[X] Agent Whiskers


Could we make this a little less wordy?

Maybe:

"And that's all right. This whole thing is so screwed up... I'm scared. It's fine to be scared."
"Somebody out there is messing with us, maybe this nebulous Feathers threat, maybe something else. I don't think I nor anyboly else could deal with this alone, it's too much. So it's good we're not alone. We are in this together, we'll take on this like we'll take on Walpurgisnacht itself, and whatever else thinks to threaten our friends. We'll protect them, no matter what, right?"

... Less wordy, preferably. I'm trying to cram less words with more meaning but it's kind of difficult.


...This is why I hate doing direct quotes.:V

[X] Be confident and reassuring. Look Homura in the eye and give comforting smile.
[X] "And that's all right. This whole situation is very strange, and something unknown out there could be messing with us. It's fine to be a little scared and uncertain. This isn't exactly something that anyone can deal with alone, it's too much. So I guess it's a good thing we aren't alone. We'll beat whatever this is, together, just like we'll beat Walpurgis and anything else that comes our way. Just like we have beaten everything else so far. And no matter what happens we'll protect the people we care about. Right?"
[X] Put a hand on Homura's shoulder. Pull her into a group hug if she looks receptive to it.
-[X] If things go right, exit out of timestop and ask Mami through telepathy if it would be alright if Homura could come with us to dinner. Ask Homura if she says yes.
 
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Mami shakes her head. "Not really," she demurs. For a wonder, her Soul Gem's fairly clean, so you let that pass.
I think Mami's starting to feel reassured that Sabrina's definitely taking her tendency to try things that are a (seemingly) reckless danger to herself seriously. Sabrina quickly deciding to give up on even trying anything with Barriers (without anyone even having to suggest it, even) seems to be the key piece of evidence for her, there.

She...might also be taking it (consciously or otherwise) as a sign that Sabrina is starting to actually heed Mami's fears about Sabrina recklessly experimenting with her powers and putting herself in danger needlessly (seemingly). She, herself, might not even realize it.

Homura watches you for a long moment, violet eyes remote, before her shoulders slump. Her gaze drops from yours, and she raises her right hand towards you to present the amethyst Soul Gem afixed there to you.

You cleanse her Soul Gem with a thought and a small gesture, drawing away the frothing cloud of darkness. "Homura?" you ask. "I... what do you think?"

She raises eyes to meet yours again, but not for long - her gaze slides off yours to rest somewhere on your nose. She looks uncertain, her jaw clenching and unclenching silently as she lowers her hand.

She exhales slowly.

"I..." she starts, before trailing off into silence, her eyes sliding away from your face. She looks around herself, one hand rising, and hesitating over the ribbon at her waist. "I don't know." Her eyes widen as the words pass her lips, almost surprised, and she flinches backwards.
Ah, now that is interesting. It seems that Homura is startled that she is so uncertain about such a key element of the situation, which means that she's been so used to being sure about how she feels/thinks about a given factor in the situation (even if it's simply a "wait and see" approach, which is very different from a total "I don't know."), that, well....
Homura's been operating with a lot of known variables for a long time. And even in the rare cases where she encounters a new factor, she still has a fairly quick/easy time of deciding how she feels and thinks about it. Whether it's simply "investigate more" or "wait and see", she makes up her mind quickly and acts accordingly. It's a core part of how she's approached her ordeal for a very long time, and suddenly, she's faced with a new factor or twist that she has no idea how to deal with at all.

That's startling for her, because it cracks the shell of clarity and certainty that she's carefully constructed (and relied upon) for so long. And it's causing her to rethink everything else about this loop that's been so drastically different from everything she's used to.

Homura's present-character analysis incoming:
Her gaze being drawn to Mami's ribbon around her waist, her hand coming up to idly feel it--the ribbon tied to her in timestop is representative of Mami being someone she can actually trust, is closely working with, is not breaking down or going insane after being lichbombed/Kyubeybombed, is extremely wary of Kyubey and very friendly towards Homura, and someone she is comfortable with mutually tying her powers to in order to work together more effectively. She's long since lost faith in Mami's reliability and her ability to trust in Mami as a friend and mentor--until this loop, where Mami is once again trustworthy in the face of everything, once again friendly and supportive to her, and once again someone she enjoys working with. And this time, uniquely, they're doing all of that as equals.

Oriko and Kirika, so long classified as either a threat to be ruthlessly eliminated or a nonfactor, are defeated once-enemies and now nominal allies that she doesn't trust and is wary of, but cannot eliminate (and not for lack of ability). It's been easy for Homura to forever treat all Witches and Kyubey as a threat to Madoka and simply eliminate them where convenient or necessary (or treat as an enemy, in Kyubey's case, since she literally can't permanently kill him); O&K were made simple by virtue of treating them just like Witches if they even started to become a threat (by contracting), or leaving them alone otherwise. Now, though, she's stuck in this completely new situation where she's forced to work with two girls she doesn't trust and feels to be a threat to Madoka, but at the same time, she acknowledges that O&K might have been eliminated as a threat without killing them, but she has no way to make sure or clearly draw the line.

And what about Sabrina herself? Someone entirely new after all these loops, probably a result of Madoka's ambiguous wish at the end of the previous loop--someone with unbelievable powers, no background, and no memories before the day they met, but almost encyclopedic information about various things regarding the MG system, immediate threats like WPN, and relevant people to Homura's situation. Someone who seems tailor-made--from Madoka's perspective--to help Homura achieve what she couldn't do after countless attempts and struggles. Someone who acts a lot like Madoka, but with a strong pragmatic streak that Homura can relate to, and without a strong self-sacrificing tendency for Homura to worry about. Someone whose powers let her effectively replicate everything a Witch can do, but with conscious control, and allow her to apply them in ways no Witch ever would--perhaps making her the perfect counter to the two enemies Homura could never properly defeat herself (WPN and the danger of her friends grief-spiraling themselves). And yet, someone who seems to be tied to a new, ominous, unknown, and almost unknowable threat she can't quantify nor defend against? Is Sabrina a liability, or even a potential one? Even if she is as a result of this new threat she's tied to, can Homura treat her any differently given Sabrina's resolve to fight this threat and her own acknowledgement that she could be somehow responsible for it? How does Homura treat someone who is clearly determined to fight her own potential liability to Homura (and desperately does not want to be a liability in any way)? And on top of all of that, Sabrina is actually someone who has known everything Homura has done and been through all along, and has not only forgiven her for everything from the start, but expressed her approval and appreciation for it all? Sabrina knows and understands, and always has, and despite knowing (just like she's known all about Madoka, Sayaka, Mami, Kyouko, Oriko, Kirika, and more), Sabrina believes that Madoka would forgive, understand, and appreciate everything Homura has done if she knew.

Sabrina is going around, changing everything, even things she doesn't need to change, and all of this change is scary and unknown to Homura, but she can't deny the distinct possibility that perhaps things are changing for the better. Homura has been learning the entire scenario and its factors loop by loop, trying to refine her strategy as much as possible to maximum efficiency and effectiveness, believing (or hoping) that she'll succeed once she refines it enough--but this loop, Sabrina has thrown that strategy and dynamic off the rails entirely, and everything is so different. So far, there's been no harm in following along just to see if this loop actually succeeds for whatever reason, but now, perhaps there actually is some real risk of permanent harm--either to herself or to the loops as a whole (aren't they one and the same, really?)--and this muddles the one choice (and clearest choice, until now) she's really had to make thus far, this loop.
 
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Sort of off topic a bit, but until there is a shift in circumstances, I vote for no more solo "SCIENCE!" sessions.

All of our high priority projects we have hit a major roadblock on, and are unlilely to make any headway by ourselves. (One notable exception, finding out if there is anything strange about that freaking feather)

All our mid-priority projects are either too dangerous to do alone (like telepathy or familiar experiments), too dangerous due to Feathers (barriers), or are not worth the opportunity costs of other things (like continuing to build relationships with Meguca, helping Kyouko and Mami make amends, finding Mami professional help, etc.) Our low priority projects have the same opportunity cost issue, only more so, especially as we really have all the powers we need to deal with most everything for the time being (crazy strong attacks and high mobility). In fact, quite likely enough (precluding any more direct Feathers interference) to serve us up to Walmart-Night.

However, this does not preclude things like combat training or practicing already known to be safe uses of our powers; this does have clear benefits with how we can deal with the types of challenges presented so far.

It also does not preclude "group SCIENCE!" as at that point we can have some help with what we are stuck with, a spotter and general support for if things go wrong or get dangerous, and serve as an opportunity to build or strengthen relationships.

Sorry Warehouse-kun, but no more "solo dates" for now. :(

EDIT: I also would like to note that I am starting to fear our grief powers, and starting to want to have as little as possible to do with them. Irrational, partially yes, but it is starting to "color" my "gut feelings" about how to react and plan.
 
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Opposed.


We still have girls to dewitch and alternative methods of cleansing to develop. While I don't have much opposition to someone being our spotter, depending on who, I feel we've constrained ourselves enough. We don't need to develop anymore arbitrary reasons to constrain our efforts to break the system.
 
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We still have girls to dewitch and alternative methods of cleansing to develop.

Those I would put into the bucket of "high priority but we are blocked on and unlikely to make further progress on our own".

If you think we can make progress solo, well, OK then, I guess picking them back up on our own time could be worth it.
But I just feel that we won't make any breakthroughs on those by ourselves; we need the help and advice of someone who knows more about the "practical" side of "meguca-ness".
 
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Those I would put into the bucket of "high priority but we are blocked on and unlikely to make further progress on our own".

If you think we can make progress solo, well, OK then, I guess picking them back up on our own time could be worth it.
But I just feel that we won't make any useful progress by ourselves.

Basically, we need to continue to push for developing our enchantment magic. The sooner we get that going, the sooner we can make another dewitching attempt. Alternatively we can use our grief manipulations to help facilitate our development of enchantment or use grief to help contain magic in the clear seed directly.

We're definitely not out of idea's here.
 
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