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Puella Magi Adfligo Systema

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Ugolino said:
Considering it's the stuff of Witch Barriers/bodies and our only training so far, I suspect the answer to "what can we do with it" is more or less "anything we want". We need to field test diffusing a grief marble into a very diffuse cloud covering the area and condensing blades or shapes from the cloud for surprise ganking/attacks from unexpected angles/area denial to go with our usual attacks.
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What we are doing right now is essentially the equivalent of making a warhammer out of uranium. Sure, it's a pretty heavy warhammer, but we aren't exactly making the best or even the most optimal use of the material, it's just the easiest way to make use of it. With some practice, we can probably replicate all the powers of a Witch, like creating familiars or forming barriers. We just need to know how to push it to make it do that.
 
Then as an alrernative I vote we use Meta-knowledge to make Madoka Abridged jokes. "Can I call you Homura Dawg?" "Damn, Oriko, why you gotta be such a B-word?"
 
It's not very good, even for an abridged series. The abridged format only really works well for long running shows with scripts of variable quality, not a 12 episode series with a tight pace. Go read Meguca instead. It's better.
 
Huh. Anyways, since we're kinda sorta discussing grief, we should really try converting it to another form of energy when we get the chance. Because I can think of several SCIENCE things to do with that, like Grief Grenades, Grief Flashlight, Grief Lightningbolt, ect.
 
jacobplm said:
Huh. Anyways, since we're kinda sorta discussing grief, we should really try converting it to another form of energy when we get the chance. Because I can think of several SCIENCE things to do with that, like Grief Grenades, Grief Flashlight, Grief Lightningbolt, ect.
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Bah. No SCIENCE For you! Otherwise you would have realized the true potential:

Grief Lasers, Shaped Grief Explosives and Grief Accelerated Projectiles.

Sabrina's grief control might be limited to ~100m but a Grief powered railgun would vastly improve her range.

But really, Grief Lasers. You just can't go wrong with Grief Lasers.
 
Wait, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a grief seed inside the 'core' of every witch? Or does the grief seed form only after the witch is 'killed'?

If it's the former, then perhaps we could practice finding the grief seed from a distance, and then, once found, manipulating the grief inside of it to explode (or burst outwards, etc). Instant kill.

Alternatively, we should experiment with removing as much grief from a grief seed as we can, at some point. A lot of the questions involved--whether that would make it possible to revive the original MG, or if it simply means that the grief seed could be used more for cleansing than it otherwise could, or perhaps it would cause the grief seed to revert to a soul gem form?--are worth finding answers to. And getting more insight into soul gems and grief seeds (and the relations thereof) is going to be very important for us at least down the line.
 
Cannongerbil said:
[x] Try it together

Forget guns. With our grief manipulation, guns are actually a less efficient use of our grief than if we just form swarms of grief blades and filled the air with them. There isn't even a range advantage, since there is still the 100m range limit beyond which grief dissipates into mist, and since the bullet will necessarily be made of grief, it's probably subject to the same limitations.

The more interesting thing to me is that we altered the material properties of grief from solid, clay like material to a thin flexible string. With some practice, we might be able to do what Mami did with her ribbons in Rebellion, only it explodes into a swarm of blades when damaged.
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Think of it this way:
1) A Grief-powered railgun can use a simple, non-grief projectile to attain a very high velocity and very high range. Even if it must use a grief-based projectile, a super-powerful projectile with a range of 100m is still a lot better than simply throwing a grief blade across 100m.
2) The whole point is to use a railgun construct to accelerate a projectile far faster than we could do by just 'throwing' it. Even if that projectile is made out of grief as well, we'd still get far better bang for our buck. If we didn't, then there would not be any reason why we couldn't simply use all of our grief constructs as moving around as if fired from a railgun, all the time.
 
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Direct Intervention pt. 44
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    • "Alright, then," you say. "We'll try this together?"

    Homura shrugs indifferently, but silently reaches out with a hand glowing with magic, as do you.

    Your magic sinks in, past blood-matted hair and skin and bone. You brush against what you know to be Homura's magic, cool and old and somehow cyclic. You briefly wonder what your magic feels like, to her.

    In your other sight, Oriko's body is empty. It lacks the sullen, crackling storm of magic you've learned to associate with puella magi bodies - there is no animation. Even her Soul Gem seems quiescent, somehow curled in on itself in a way that makes your eyes water to look at too closely.

    There is a shape, though, a shadow of how things should be.

    You metaphorically stare at it, feeling, at the same time, Homura probe around it.

    And then you see it - a tiny, nearly imperceptible flicker of magic. Just as quickly as you see it, it's gone again.

    "Huh," you say out loud. Homura glances at you, brow crinkled in a frown. "Thought I saw something," you answer her unspoken question, gesturing at Oriko's body.

    The time traveller shrugs, and returns her attention to the task. You focus on where you'd seen the spark.

    Nothing, for a minute, and you begin to think that that had been wishful thinking.

    ... and then, there it is again, a pitifully weak crackle of magic. It fades away again, even as you jerk upright in surprise.

    "There's something there," you tell Homura. "A... I'm not sure how to describe it. A little bit of magic, pulsing on and off."

    "A heartbeat?" Homura suggests.

    "Maybe? It's very slow," you say.

    Homura shrugs. "Speaking of heartbeats, hers is almost stopping again."

    You lay a finger against Oriko's deathly cold neck, feeling for her pulse. It's slow, and weakening again - at a guess, magic powered or not, hearts aren't supposed to work with what you'd guess is about half the body's blood outside the system, and nor is Oriko actually breathing, since her brain isn't even working.

    None of these are actually necessary to keeping a puella magi alive, you figure, what with the Soul Gem and all, but you suspect it would contribute to how

    Another gleam of magic, guttering away into oblivion, and you frown. It's getting weaker, fading faster.

    You think you could simply brute force that faint flicker back to full power.

    [] Brute-force it
    - [] Write in beginning of interrogation
    [] Do a proper repair
    - [] Write in beginning of interrogation
    [] Write-in

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    I'll note you still have your impromptu musical instruments around, if you want to provide musical accompaniment.
     
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    • [X] Brute force it. It doesn't have to be pretty, it just has to work.
    -[X] "Eeeey, Oriko, whazzup? Listen, I just wanna ask you why YOU ARE COMPLETELY INSANE! Also, unrelated, 'grief railgun'. Your opinion?"
    --[X] Basically, keep er confused as hell, off balance, she's more likely to spill the beans that way.
     
    [x] Ugolino


    Someone can come up with the questions but brute forcing this? Yeah it'll almost certainly wipe whatever's left in her brain, I have a feeling.

    No we take the time to do it right, lest we have murderhappy kirika when we get back to real time and she figures out what happened to Oriko.

    Edit: added some actual questions, someone else can expound on them.
     
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    Dirtnap said:
    [x] Do a proper repair
    - [x] Write in beginning of interrogation

    Someone can come up with the questions but brute forcing this? Yeah it'll almost certainly wipe whatever's left in her brain, I have a feeling.

    No we take the time to do it right, lest we have murderhappy kirika when we get back to real time and she figures out what happened to Oriko.
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    Aw, but thing of the DRAMA a amnesiac Oriko will produce! Besides, better Kirika than whatever other antagonist Firn throws against us. 'Better the devil you know....'

    PS, I'm kidding
     
    [X] Brute-force it

    This could be valuable knowledge for healing our friends at some point in the future. Worst case scenario Oriko get's mind wiped and we have to deal with the fallout.
     
    Firnagzen said:
    Clarification; by 'do a proper repair', I mean try to patch up the holes a bit and put a bit more blood in Oriko's body so that it isn't running on empty.
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    That's fine. The way I've always thought about it is that the magic needs a proper amount of body to work through. Without blood the magic cant propagate correctly or summat.

    I'm still positing that brute forcing kirika's magic back will mindwipe her, perhaps worse than what we've done already.

    UberJJK said:
    [X] Brute-force it

    This could be valuable knowledge for healing our friends at some point in the future. Worst case scenario Oriko get's mind wiped and we have to deal with the fallout.
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    Nononono. Murderhappy Kirika, not just for us but for all our friends. Sayaka, Madoka, Kwibjo, Hitomi, their families. No. Just no.
     
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    Edit to all voting for brute force- This will likely wipe her mind. The entire point of this is to interrogate her. We cannot do that if she is a drooling vegetable. Brute forcing it defeats the entire point of this, as well as making Kirika into a murderhappy person who will do her best to kill everyone we care about, starting with those who can't protect themselves.
    It. Is. A. Terrible. Idea.
     
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    [x] Do a proper repair
    - [x] Welcome back to the land of the living. You tell us what we want to know, you might even get to stay here. Now then, just why was all this necessary? As from our point of view, everything you've done just seems like the actions of a lunatic, someone who would lose no sleep after you nearly killed Sayaka's family and everyone in the entire building. So please, tell us what makes your actions different, what makes them justified.

    Guys, what are we gonna say to her?
    Edit: Nevermind. Dirtnap(?) got it covered.

    Edit: Vote Changed.
     
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    Nononono. Murderhappy Kirika, not just for us but for all our friends. Sayaka, Madoka, Kwibjo, Hitomi, their families. No. Just no.
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    Uh. You do remember we're in a timestop right? And that we know where Kirika is?

    We screw up it's simply a matter of walking over there and getting a gun from Homura, our mistake our duty to clean it up, putting it right next to her soul gem and firing. Second timestop drops, far away to avoid it getting disabled again, and Kirika.
     
    [x] Restrain her using Grief manacles

    [x] Do a proper repair
    - [x] Ugolino

    SaltyWaffles said:
    Think of it this way:
    1) A Grief-powered railgun can use a simple, non-grief projectile to attain a very high velocity and very high range. Even if it must use a grief-based projectile, a super-powerful projectile with a range of 100m is still a lot better than simply throwing a grief blade across 100m.
    2) The whole point is to use a railgun construct to accelerate a projectile far faster than we could do by just 'throwing' it. Even if that projectile is made out of grief as well, we'd still get far better bang for our buck. If we didn't, then there would not be any reason why we couldn't simply use all of our grief constructs as moving around as if fired from a railgun, all the time.
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    Creating a Railgun would be useful, but it faces 3 significant problems:
    1) Find a way to make grief electrically conductive.
    2) Turn grief into an electromagnet.
    3) Generate sufficent electricity to power a railgun.

    Even if we could make a generator out of grief, form electronically conductive wires out of grief, and successfully generate enough electricity to power a railgun, the whole array will be so complex and full of moving parts that it would be much easier to just do what we do normally. It might be possible, but the amount of effort that goes into making a Railgun out of grief is just too much considering what a Railgun can do isn't particularly more powerful that what we already can do. Speed kills, yes, but it isn't THAT much more powerful than just slicing a witch with a thousand buzzsaws.
     
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    [x] Do a proper repair
    - [x] Welcome back to the land of the living. You tell us what we want to know, you might even get to stay here. Now then, just why was all this necessary? As from our point of view, everything you've done just seems like the actions of a lunatic, someone who would lose no sleep after you nearly killed Sayaka's family and everyone in the entire building. So please, tell us what makes your actions different, what makes them justified.
     
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