According to my calculations, a 90m sphere should contain enough air to last for almost 18 days if we were running at a full sprint the whole time: I'm going to go ahead and add the grief interdiction sphere to my vote.
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I don't think we should be too pushy with Kyoko.
We gave her a Grif sed and asked her to call us if it got filled up. We should put some trust in that.
We're dropping by to just hang out with her, and the previous update had us leave on good terms. I don't see the harm as long as we check in first and have a clause for if she tells us to get lost.
While we're not bringing up the grief seed cleansing thing, it's another reason for us to go.
While we're not bringing up the grief seed cleansing thing, it's another reason for us to go.
There's something I'd like to add to this part of the plan.
If the size change fails, attempt to create a grief construct of a hammer that's designed to be able to shift size at will. A fitting choice would be Graf Eisen, a size shifting magitek hammer that has a German speaking AI built in. The presence of an AI may also make some progress towards the creation of familiars.
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I'm totally up for naming our hammer after Graf Eisen. Vita s my favourite Nanoha character.
I meant trying to create a grief construct of Graf Eisen if changing the size of our own hammer fails, because we seem to have a much higher success rate at bullshit hax creativity when using grief constructs than when using regular magic. There's no way (at our current skill level) that we could have pulled off MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGANN without using grief constructs.
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Torgamous
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Unlike Masami, Kyoko seems okay with us. Kyoko also didn't specify that she would let us know when she wants to meet, again unlike Masami. So, unlike Masami, meeting with Kyoko doesn't have to seem pushy.
Much as I love Nanoha, we've got enough offensive grief constructs that I don't think Graf Eisen is going to be good for anything but amusement. You're right that we could try familiar creation from the AI angle, but it sounds like you think that's a side benefit of having a big hammer.
If I remember correctly, we did try conjuring bigger hammers once but ran into the problem of them being unusable due to their weight being what they should be for their size unless it was our regular hammer. We weren't using grief constructs that time though, so its more a test of if a weapon made as a grief construct can defy that aspect of physics.
This. We know each other, helped them out of a bad situation, and share territory to an extent. Asking if they want to meet up and stressing that it's just a friendly visit has no reason to be a problem at all.
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I realise that, but our normal hammer doesn't have a name yet, and that reminded me that naming it (are hammers traditionally male or female? From my understanding, blades are male and firearms are female, I think, but I'm not sure about hammers) Graf Eisen would be cool. (Or we could give it a unique, appropriate name, like System Crash).
AuraTwilight
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I'd also like to prioritize Barrier Creation, if we can. We might be able to loophole some extra range with our abilities via Thinking With Portals, and even if that doesn't work, I'm pretty sure our range will be 1:1 with the barrier's size, effectively giving us way more space to work with if we're doing stuff inside our Barriers.
...And then we start pulling hostiles into our Barrier for combat and we have to run the poll again.
...And then we start pulling hostiles into our Barrier for combat and we have to run the poll again.
If we do that, then we should totally name a familiar Reinforce.
Torgamous
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We interacted with her day before yesterday.
Forget friends, we're never going to be more than tolerated if we can't follow simple instructions like "don't call us, we'll call you". Relationships aren't just grinding time spent together.
Likewise. If current barrier creation ideas don't work or we don't try any out today, I'd like to check a free familiar to see if its barrier is easier to replicate.
AuraTwilight
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But...but Bonds of People Are The True Power. I have all this Chariot EXP...
Except that she never even approached saying "go away, don't bother me" and it seems like a misreading to suggest that. No, but interacting with people is a necessity for getting to know them. Showing concern is also going to be useful.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I don't remember that. But if we make hammers too big for our hands, we can make giant, floating grief hands to hold them. The hammers seem to hit magically harder than raw grief, so it could work.
Sabrina: *Pushing random meguca out the barrier* "No, no, I assure... I'm not a Witch, I just have witchy powers due to my wish. Yes, really, now thanks for coming by, here's your complimentary Gem & Seeds cleansing, please come back again soon! Off with you." *Throws meguca out*
Sabrina: *Sigh. Dusts off hands* "NOW time for some SCIENCE!"
Dark spirit Legend_Never_Dies has invaded you!
Sabrina: "..."
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It was a really really long time ago. The only reason I even remember is that I only started following the quest a few months ago. I'm pretty sure it was before the endless timestop hunt for Oriko, although it may have been shortly after that.
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Yeah, but if we get the link reversed then we have to waste a whole afternoon praying or whatever to fix it, and that's if we can even figure out where to go to do it.
(Bad brain, stop trying to fit everyone we know into the arcana just because I'm making a social links joke. Stop it, I say.)
Size shifting would be cool, but I'm a little more hesitant about the idea of creating a sentient AI (for familiars or for anything else). That's a dangerous box to open (and a difficult one to close), so we should be sure that all of our bases covered before we try it. The potential benefits of creating a friendly AI are extremely tempting, but the potential downsides are... well, just look at Kyuubey for an example.
Hammers are traditionally considered to be male (even more so than swords). Phallic symbolism and all that.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Can't find it...
I did find this, though:
Which makes this look weird, though it's likely that Mami just didn't give it much thought the first time:Firnagzen said:
Torgamous
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A grief AI is probably the least likely thing to turn into a seed AI, IC because we have total control over its hardware and OOC because Firnagzen can't properly model one and even if he could having a Singularity three weeks before the climax would override whatever story he had been planning on telling. Further OOC, anime AI tends to be more C-3PO than a Culture Mind, and Graf Eisen in particular seems to be more like a parrot or German-speaking dog with superpowers than a proper AGI.
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Vast majority of AIs in fiction operate at or less than human+laptop capabilities.
Even some claimed to be faster in sci-fi ones, such as PDCL, work out more like "Mary Sue with pocket calculator" than truly superhuman.
I believe this limit is due human inability to imagine such AI properly.
That said, this need not mean that all AIs in fiction are safe.
I think the hammer would be safe, interesting and useful, judging by description, though I am not familiar with Nanoha.
We already give our music intelligence anyway.
Though morally, there is the similar issue to grief bodies.
Even some claimed to be faster in sci-fi ones, such as PDCL, work out more like "Mary Sue with pocket calculator" than truly superhuman.
I believe this limit is due human inability to imagine such AI properly.
That said, this need not mean that all AIs in fiction are safe.
I think the hammer would be safe, interesting and useful, judging by description, though I am not familiar with Nanoha.
We already give our music intelligence anyway.
Though morally, there is the similar issue to grief bodies.
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noahgab1133
Fluffy?
we confirmed that Sabrina does not need to breathe when we first tried the barrier thing to block everything out.