Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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That doesn't mean there's any point in being polite to it. It legitimately doesn't care.
It got them killed by saying things that would get those two emotionally fragile girls to jump headfirst into sweet merciful death. That doesn't mean it's Jack Slash. There's plenty it can do to act against us, but talking us into dying is not one of those things.Just like he wanted Sayaka alive. Or Kyouko.
That isn't how he works, but forgetting that our messy death is part of everything Kyubey does is a fasttrack to needless suffering and BAD END.
...Madoka is the main obstacle to Sayaka and Kyouko being alive? What.
Playing nice or being useful does not make Kyubey less inclined to witch us out or kill us for a payday. That's just the nature of the creature.
It also is alarmingly perceptive and manipulative to the point where interacting with it at all gives it ammunition and it being actually surprised is something that only happened twice in all of the canonical media. Treat it as the single biggest threat in the quest, because right now? It is.
Playing nice or being useful does not make Kyubey less inclined to witch us out or kill us for a payday. That's just the nature of the creature.
It also is alarmingly perceptive and manipulative to the point where interacting with it at all gives it ammunition and it being actually surprised is something that only happened twice in all of the canonical media. Treat it as the single biggest threat in the quest, because right now? It is.
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Would asking Oriko for precognition support (with Homura's approval) be sufficient to allay your concerns about the potential risk of the grief seed conversion box (if it is possible to create it in the first place)?
You do realize that we use telepathy pretty often which already feeds him tons of information. And he is probably capable of observing us remotely, so he knows most of what we're up to. The only thing he definitely does not know is what our thoughts are and what we get up to in timestop or behind a grief interdiction field.
Gadjo
Doka
You're right, Lement: Kyubey doesn't want us dead right now. However, it should be noted that he must always be considered a hostile; his eventual goal is for us and every magical girl we've ever met to witch out. No ifs ands or buts about it. He is our enemy. That doesn't mean he can't be useful, but it does mean he can go die in a fire, and should never, ever, be trusted.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
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Robo-truancy-cop: "Dead or alive, you're going to school."
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Okay, Kyuubey is a psychopath. He is emotionless and doesn't care that his goals involve torture and death. However, he doesn't just kill for the thrill of it. His horrific actions are the means, not the end.
Yes, we know that he wants us and pretty much everyone we love to turn into a witch, but he's not in a hurry to make that happen (with the exception of Madoka).
We are powerless to stop him if he puts real effort into anything and we actually have uses for him.
That said, he is incapable of being insulted.
As such, feel free to call him names as this won't change anything, but don't let him think that we're a threat.
Yes, we know that he wants us and pretty much everyone we love to turn into a witch, but he's not in a hurry to make that happen (with the exception of Madoka).
We are powerless to stop him if he puts real effort into anything and we actually have uses for him.
That said, he is incapable of being insulted.
As such, feel free to call him names as this won't change anything, but don't let him think that we're a threat.
Mr Kyubey is not our friend and we do not want to let him see any more of our cards than we have to. That goes for anything that suggests we know more about him than we should, other than what we've already done. Do not talk to the bunnycat do not tell the bunnychat anything, keep conversation with the bunnycat to the bare minimum needed to get our goals in a conversation done.
We are not going to win it over by being "useful". It'll keep trying to kill us.
We are not going to win it over by being "useful". It'll keep trying to kill us.
Gadjo
Doka
I get that, but what I mean is that we can't talk to him without being very, very careful. His weapon is information, and the more he has, the more dangerous he is to us and everything important to us.
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Yes. And I want to change that.
Because of her potential.
Would you support this vote : ?
[ ] Maintain a 90 m radius "absolute interdiction" field around your position at all times
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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And yet for some reason the only thing you won't do with it is speak directly. It's not like we're actually keeping information from it that way. It's listening to us and analyzing what we say anyway, we don't have to be any more careful talking to it than we do talking to anyone else outside of timestop. Treat Kyuubey like the NSA.
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I do consider NSA somewhat less hostile & all-knowing, though.
Gadjo
Doka
To what? How? Why? Are you trying to make an ally of Kyubey? Because he's a backstabbing psychopath and I can't even begin to articulate how bad an idea that is.
The thing I don't want to do is unnecessary interaction where we'll need to try and outsocial something that has "is capable of gleaning a lot from very little information" and "exceptional manipulator" as its main traits. I'd honestly rather have us go to Asunaro than have a heart to heart with Kyubey because the former at least is trying to be productive and isn't interacting with something guaranteed to be trying to kill us.
Keep conversation with furry Satan to a bare minimum.
Keep conversation with furry Satan to a bare minimum.
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- East of the Sun and West of the Moon
We've got no particular reason to think J Random Truancy Officer is trustworthy or hangup-free. I don't have high hopes for the usefulness of picking some utter stranger and making them our confidant out of the blue.
One thing that would be nice is if we could start charging him (favors, information, etc) for the grief that we give him. Right now, he gets it for free because we have no way to store it long term.
Unfortunately, Kyuubey already has access to way more information than we do and (in practice) we aren't being very careful with what we do try to hide from him.
It might be good to put up such a field more often than we currently do. While we're doing our experimentation, for instance.
For us, it's just talking to someone about our problems.
For the poor truancy officer, it's Lovecraftian revelations about the universe and the horrors hidden from daily view.
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Let me put it this way:
Kyubey hails from alien civilization conglomerate following Clarke's third law.
We want to save all magical girls everywhere in the galaxy.
For the time being, it seems that allying with him is somewhat safer and more productive than maintaining the state of affairs where our rewards are still inferior to Madoka's contract.
noahgab1133
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[x] General: Set the Lunch Alarm. Use grief-sense constantly for each action item, so we can observe reactions of magical nature and how our magic interacts with the seed; stop if Hildegarde is in danger. Cleanse ourselves immediately as we accumulate corruption.
[x] Pull out our soul gem and observe Dedolere in grief-sense. Compare and contrast to Hildegarde.
[x] Attempt to heal Hildegarde. If possible, spend half an hour healing.
-[x] Multitasking: While healing, attempt the following grief-constructs. Just form each one to check if it's possible, testing comes later.
--[x] List: A clear glass box that converts grief seeds into soul gems. A scanner which looks at a seed/gem and projects a 3d image of the body associated with it. A healing pod which uses raw organic material to heal the target. A crystal ball for viewing remote locations. A compass that points as we specify it (nearest witch, named MG, specified item, etc). A funnel that automagically draws grief out of soul gems or grief seeds and stores it as marbles. A helm that blocks mental influence. A set of telepathic earrings. A grief-to-electricity generator.
--[x] Attempt to summon a hammer at different distances.
--[x] Throw a summoned hammer out of range and check how long it persists.
--[x] Imbue a grief hammer with a magical source to maintain it and toss it out of range and see how long it persists.
[x] If the creation of the clear glass box was successful, use it to convert Hildegarde into a soul gem.
[x] Create a grief-body. If the scanner worked, use that as the basis, otherwise just make a generic body.
-[x] Touch Hildegarde to the body. If nothing happens, try using brute force to connect them.
[x] Test various healing methods (Healing Pod, Healing Rod, Magic Enhancing Gauntlets, Normal Healing) with a damaged plant to compare how long they take and how long they endure outside of our range:
[x] Test any of the grief-constructs that were created successfully.
[x] Based on observations of the barrier on Monday evening, attempt to create a barrier. Manipulate the inside space until it is safe to enter. Send an item inside and out again, by carrying with grief. If that was safe, then enter and exit while flying and confirm safety.
-[x] From the outside, try the following: moving the entrance, expanding and shrinking the barrier, creating grief-objects within, expanding the space within the barrier to larger than our normal range limits, making multiple entrances to the same barrier.
[x] If time remains, ask Mami for advice about space expansion and practice enchantment.
[x] Pull out our soul gem and observe Dedolere in grief-sense. Compare and contrast to Hildegarde.
[x] Attempt to heal Hildegarde. If possible, spend half an hour healing.
-[x] Multitasking: While healing, attempt the following grief-constructs. Just form each one to check if it's possible, testing comes later.
--[x] List: A clear glass box that converts grief seeds into soul gems. A scanner which looks at a seed/gem and projects a 3d image of the body associated with it. A healing pod which uses raw organic material to heal the target. A crystal ball for viewing remote locations. A compass that points as we specify it (nearest witch, named MG, specified item, etc). A funnel that automagically draws grief out of soul gems or grief seeds and stores it as marbles. A helm that blocks mental influence. A set of telepathic earrings. A grief-to-electricity generator.
--[x] Attempt to summon a hammer at different distances.
--[x] Throw a summoned hammer out of range and check how long it persists.
--[x] Imbue a grief hammer with a magical source to maintain it and toss it out of range and see how long it persists.
[x] If the creation of the clear glass box was successful, use it to convert Hildegarde into a soul gem.
[x] Create a grief-body. If the scanner worked, use that as the basis, otherwise just make a generic body.
-[x] Touch Hildegarde to the body. If nothing happens, try using brute force to connect them.
[x] Test various healing methods (Healing Pod, Healing Rod, Magic Enhancing Gauntlets, Normal Healing) with a damaged plant to compare how long they take and how long they endure outside of our range:
[x] Test any of the grief-constructs that were created successfully.
[x] Based on observations of the barrier on Monday evening, attempt to create a barrier. Manipulate the inside space until it is safe to enter. Send an item inside and out again, by carrying with grief. If that was safe, then enter and exit while flying and confirm safety.
-[x] From the outside, try the following: moving the entrance, expanding and shrinking the barrier, creating grief-objects within, expanding the space within the barrier to larger than our normal range limits, making multiple entrances to the same barrier.
[x] If time remains, ask Mami for advice about space expansion and practice enchantment.
Gadjo
Doka
Actually that would be a really bad idea. Remember: the interdiction field doesn't have air holes. Also we'd have to sweep the area first to make sure Kyubey wasn't already there.
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Gadjo
Doka
How is that safer? Trusting him is a grave mistake. Short term? He wants us to witch. Long term? He'll find a more efficient energy source and decide he wants something else horrible for us. Pumping him for information is understandable at some point. Allying with him would be foolishness of the highest order.
Also, let's focus on earth for now, eh? Start small.
...Kyubey is also an utterly untrustworthy creature for whom little things like "a stable system" and "allies" go out the window the moment a payoff seems at all possible. It fundamentally cannot be trusted to do anything or say anything reliably other than "act to increase grief payoff".
Do you really think we can outbid the payoff for a MadokaWitch or a SabrinaWitch given that potentials of "Yes" were involved? I really, really don't. Treating Kyubey as something we can bargain with is going to at best end with everything in flames. At worst? We end up as a power source or dead.
FlatlineAskari
*feline scrutiny*
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There's a lot of air in a 90m sphere, and we're too differently-alive to worry much about asphyxiating anyway.
Also, whether
Gadjo
Doka
It's not even a witch payoff thing. Long-term, he will eventually find some kind of energy source we'd rather he not use. And when we ask him not to, he'll tell us he's using it anyway, and fuck us over. He is the definition of untrustworthy, because his emotionlessness means he has no concept of loyalty.