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Firnagzen said:
[Q] Dunk your Soul Gem in cheap whiskey
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I'm not sure if this is any good, but this omake sprung from reading that.
The liquid in the glass began to bubble, foam, and then visibly darken around the Soul Gem, leading Sabrina to quickly yank the red gem out of it only to find it completely crystal-clear . . . only for it to darken again somewhat, and then practically belch the blackness out of itself in a syrupy ichor that the white-haired girl was loathe to manipulate any further than the nearest trashcan.

Let Kyubey sort through it if he must, she wasn't touching it any more than she already had.

Kyouko, on the other hand, had on her face something between a lopsided grin and a disapproving frown.

"D-dammit . . . a waste ovva-- of a drink. Or issit? Or . . . or . . . " The redhead's expression took a turn for the inquisitive as she began to ponder whether it'd been wasted or not given the buzz she was feeling, swaying as Yuma took advantage of her distraction to pour the vile mixture into the same bin. Finally, she settled on quiet dismay as she realized just what she'd done, looking at the green-haired girl.

Before she could stammer out a 'What have I done?', however, Yuma quickly latched onto her side in a hug. "B-but--"

"You're not mad, are you?" Yuma asked, the whole tableau beginning to make Sabrina feel extremely guilty about suggesting this in the first place.

"N-no! Not inna mil-- milli--" Kyouko's tongue refused to work for a moment before she returned the hug in force with a "never, Yuma!"

"Then it's okay, big sis." The younger girl patted the older on the back. "It's okay."

The sobbing continued for a moment, before both turned their attention to the horrid puddle of goop surrounding the red Soul Gem on the table.

"Issat . . . "

Sabrina just apologized profusely for getting them involved in this and started levitating the slop over to the same wastebin as before, focusing her attempts on making sure it didn't touch anything else.

" . . . Sabrina you . . . yousonovabitch."

A wince, and a pause as though waiting for the inevitable spear to the skull, before howling laughter broke the pants-wearing girl's guard.

Sabrina looked up to see Kyouko, Yuma under one arm, swinging around a floor-to-ceiling spear in full Magical Girl garb before an illusory Kyouko grabbed her in a headlock and started giving her a debate-halting noogie.

"You broke my Gem in THE BESHT WAY you sonovabitch!"

Sure enough, with each iota of magic spent, the Grief from it spurted out of the Gem in a horrible little fountain, almost faster than Sabrina could shovel into the bin.

"Yuma isn't sure this is a good ideaaaaa . . . "

Neither was Sabrina, but at least it would gobsmack some of the internal bickering into silence for a while.

They'd all pay for it later, but tonight would go down in history as Drunk SCIENCE! Night.
 
You know, building the self-cleansing or infinitely cleansing grief seed is an idea we can work towards that doesn't require us to drop witch-bombs on people and can easily justify some of our experiments, as well as being a possible way to break the system by itself.

I honestly do not know why that idea was completely and totally ignored when I posted it a while back...it wasn't even acknowledged.
 
Gadjo said:
Gonna have to point to where, then. I don't remember anything important happening because two soul gems touched.
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Hm, not quite touched (at least not on panel) but close enough to count as a clinking of soul gems, I think:






Also the Kyubey interrupt seems... suspicious.
 
I've suggested the same in the past; something to soak up grief, and can -with a specific activation sequence- expend stored grief to replicate itself. Girls spread them around, Kyubey noms the full ones when more aren't needed. Doing something that complicated is probably quite a ways off in the future though.
 
NitroFumetsu said:
You know, building the self-cleansing or infinitely cleansing grief seed is an idea we can work towards that doesn't require us to drop witch-bombs on people and can easily justify some of our experiments, as well as being a possible way to break the system by itself.
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I'm tempted to say that, if anything, that idea could backfire if the Witchbomb comes out, as that's effectively us using (what remains of) a young girl as a perpetual sink for the Grief of ourselves and others; I don't really see that idea going over well in-story at all if it becomes apparent that that's what a Grief Seed is.

Atop that, if de-witching anyone remains a goal on the table, unless we apply that eternal Grief Seed idea to researching how to make a Soul Gem self-cleansing I don't really see it working out very well towards that agenda considering it's a separate concern from reverting a Seed (as it seems to want the Seed to remain a Seed for the purpose of cleansing with it, and all that). It might be nice to be able to give something like those to Magical Girls, but I think we might want to do research into alternative Grief-containers first so that we have something to do that sort of research with that won't come across quite so badly as a Grief Seed might. :confused:
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Hm, not quite touched (at least not on panel) but close enough to count as a clinking of soul gems, I think:






Also the Kyubey interrupt seems... suspicious.
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Hm. I suppose we should check that out at some point then. Raises the question of how it never happened with all the Mami handholding (I suppose we usually hold hands side by side, meaning they wouldn't come in contact), but it shouldn't be a problem to do. God knows we don't need an excuse for handholding with the Mumi.
 
Gadjo said:
Hm. I suppose we should check that out at some point then. Raises the question of how it never happened with all the Mami handholding (I suppose we usually hold hands side by side, meaning they wouldn't come in contact), but it shouldn't be a problem to do. God knows we don't need an excuse for handholding with the Mumi.
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Arm wrestling challenge! :V

First meguca to lose gets to make the lower half of our next Grief/Ribbon-mech while the upper half goes to the victor!

And the rest of our friends will wonder forever what the hell they missed on that one Witch hunt.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Hm, not quite touched (at least not on panel) but close enough to count as a clinking of soul gems, I think:




Also the Kyubey interrupt seems... suspicious.
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The interpretation I always drew from that is that the Soul Gems were reacting to the nearby Witch. There's a number of points in canon (namely, every other scene in the first half of Rebellion) where Soul Gems come that close and don't react.

And before you say, "Well, that was just Homura's crazy fever dream," why would Homura's dream contain LESS yuri than real life?
 
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Mister Bad Guy said:
The interpretation I always drew from that is that the Soul Gems were reacting to the nearby Witch. There's a number of points in canon (namely, every other scene in the first half of Rebellion) where Soul Gems come that close and don't react.
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I suppose that's a possible interpretation, but it doesn't really make narrative sense... the way the scene's structured builds to something happening because of the promise. I don't think it has to do with proximity of gems, really, but more what the two people were feeling at the time. Hence... circumstances.
 
Right, time to defend my idea. Just going to say this outright, I do not think learning how to dewitch a witch will break the system.

Why?

Because even if we learn how to do it with our powers, only we can do it, as it is our wish that grants us the fine control over grief necessary for such a procedure.

Therefore, if we were to die, from old age or otherwise, then there will be no way to dewitch witches anymore, and the system will return.

We will have accomplished nothing lasting.

Therefore, in order to have a lasting impact we must invent a device that any magical girl can use that breaks the system in some manner that can be perpetuated after our passing.

There are three possible devices we could create that would break the system in half if we invented them:
1 - A device that converts magical girls back into bog standard normals without our intervention.
2 - A device that converts witches back into magical girls (although if you use this on a witch that was once a familiar, I don't know what the fuck would happen) without our intervention.
3 - A device that renders grief seeds a non-issue without our intervention.

Take a guess at which one seems the most viable to me.
 
The system-breaking depending on Sabrina as a weakness is known, yes. Devices seem less viable than other contracts for grief control.
 
Baroque said:
I'm tempted to say that, if anything, that idea could backfire if the Witchbomb comes out, as that's effectively us using (what remains of) a young girl as a perpetual sink for the Grief of ourselves and others; I don't really see that idea going over well in-story at all if it becomes apparent that that's what a Grief Seed is.

Atop that, if de-witching anyone remains a goal on the table, unless we apply that eternal Grief Seed idea to researching how to make a Soul Gem self-cleansing I don't really see it working out very well towards that agenda considering it's a separate concern from reverting a Seed (as it seems to want the Seed to remain a Seed for the purpose of cleansing with it, and all that). It might be nice to be able to give something like those to Magical Girls, but I think we might want to do research into alternative Grief-containers first so that we have something to do that sort of research with that won't come across quite so badly as a Grief Seed might. :confused:
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What about grief seeds from familiars?
 
Torgamous said:
What about grief seeds from familiars?
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Still a little iffy, as that in itself requires the Familiars to have consumed enough people to become a Witch themselves (assuming we don't manage to make one chug Grief and evolve it that way, then manage to get a Seed . . . which is another set of experiments entirely).
 
Ugolino said:
The system-breaking depending on Sabrina as a weakness is known, yes. Devices seem less viable than other contracts for grief control.
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Other contracts period may be less viable for grief control.

We made the wish based off a collective consciousness based off a storied forum that was produced from an internal conflict within a far older forum that may or may not have been brought into existence by deities from beyond the pale of space and time. The person, not the forum.

We have serious cosmic weight that allowed that wish.

I'm not holding my breath for new contracts to just so happen to be able to do what we can do at the level required to undo the witch transformation.
 
NitroFumetsu said:
Right, time to defend my idea. Just going to say this outright, I do not think learning how to dewitch a witch will break the system.

Why?

Because even if we learn how to do it with our powers, only we can do it, as it is our wish that grants us the fine control over grief necessary for such a procedure.

Therefore, if we were to die, from old age or otherwise, then there will be no way to dewitch witches anymore, and the system will return.

We will have accomplished nothing lasting.

Therefore, in order to have a lasting impact we must invent a device that any magical girl can use that breaks the system in some manner that can be perpetuated after our passing.

There are three possible devices we could create that would break the system in half if we invented them:
1 - A device that converts magical girls back into bog standard normals without our intervention.
2 - A device that converts witches back into magical girls (although if you use this on a witch that was once a familiar, I don't know what the fuck would happen) without our intervention.
3 - A device that renders grief seeds a non-issue without our intervention.

Take a guess at which one seems the most viable to me.
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If we're going to figure out how to de-witch people without our intervention, we'll need to figure out how to do it with our intervention first. Immediate goal still stands. Besides, just making grief seeds unnecessary doesn't save all the girls who witched. De-witching doesn't break the system on its own, but it does give us the tool we need to break it. It should still be our first priority, science-wise.
 
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