Onmur
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And...? Are you perhaps implying that there's something wrong with having brain damage?
Choose your next words carefully.
By the way, did we get permission from KB to let Kyousuke know about magic with no mind wipes?
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Choose your next words carefully.
By the way, did we get permission from KB to let Kyousuke know about magic with no mind wipes?
Krecart
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Oh. Oh crap.
That's it. We heal him and just have Coobs mindwipe him. Done. No awkward crushes. No need to ever talk to him again unless Sayaka or Hitomi ends up bringing him around for a social gathering.
I suspect Hitomi or Sayaka'll need to find out about that themselves.
...That just makes it worse. Kyubey isn't going to wipe him unless we spell out it's okay, and it wouldn't help even if he did.
We don't need Kyubey's permission for anything too.
Krecart
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Honestly, I just want to not be dealing with the issue that is violin boy any more than is necessary.
I'm willing to ask Kyubey for help if it keeps Kwijibo from becoming a recurring character of any note.
CompassJimbo
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At this rate we'll have a script for a new sitcom: Everybody hates Kyousuke.
FlatlineAskari
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Okay; breaking it down -
- Is healing violin-boy a good idea in the first place?
- If so, is letting him know that he was healed magically (rather than undergoing a miraculous recovery) a good idea?
- If so, is letting him know who was responsible, rather than concealing our identities, a good idea?
- Is letting Sayaka, or Hitomi, or both, know what we're doing a good idea? If so, how do we frame it?
Point one - why not, it sounds like a laugh. Besides, we like music.
Three - him developing a crush on us or our friends would be tiresome, and there's no obvious benefit in him feeling obligated to us. Doing this openly doesn't seem to have much to recommend it.
As for the rest - they hinge on how this is going to affect the Sayaka situation. The assumption that it'll make things better by default if Sayaka's in the loop is flying around a lot, and I'm honestly not seeing any backing for it at all.
- Is healing violin-boy a good idea in the first place?
- If so, is letting him know that he was healed magically (rather than undergoing a miraculous recovery) a good idea?
- If so, is letting him know who was responsible, rather than concealing our identities, a good idea?
- Is letting Sayaka, or Hitomi, or both, know what we're doing a good idea? If so, how do we frame it?
Point one - why not, it sounds like a laugh. Besides, we like music.
Three - him developing a crush on us or our friends would be tiresome, and there's no obvious benefit in him feeling obligated to us. Doing this openly doesn't seem to have much to recommend it.
As for the rest - they hinge on how this is going to affect the Sayaka situation. The assumption that it'll make things better by default if Sayaka's in the loop is flying around a lot, and I'm honestly not seeing any backing for it at all.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Firnagzen said:
Homura: "I will be doing some stocking up tomorrow. For Walpurgisnacht."
Sabrina: "..."
Homura: "..." *Telepathic questioning feeling*
Sabrina: "Can I go with you, please, please, let me go with you pretty please?"
Homura: "I'll think-"
Sabrina: "Come on, don't be like that, I wanna go with you, let me, come on, I'll be good, OK? I can help, I won't get in the way, mom, please, let me go with you, pleeeeeease?" *Telepathic shoulder shaking*
Homura: "O-OK! Fine! Just... How are you doing that?"
Sabrina: "Doing what?"
Homura: "My shoulder..."
Kyubey: "I'd like to know, too."
Homura: "Nevermind. What did you call me?"
Sabrina: "..."
Homura: "Sabrina..."
Sabrina: "...Heeeeeeeeeey!" *Crack!* "We're here! Hello Madoka! Hello Sayaka! Hello Homura! Nice day for a visit to the hospital, eh? Let's go in! We've people to visit!" *Drags Madoka and Sayaka inside*
Homura: "... One day."
Sabrina: "..."
Homura: "..." *Telepathic questioning feeling*
Sabrina: "Can I go with you, please, please, let me go with you pretty please?"
Homura: "I'll think-"
Sabrina: "Come on, don't be like that, I wanna go with you, let me, come on, I'll be good, OK? I can help, I won't get in the way, mom, please, let me go with you, pleeeeeease?" *Telepathic shoulder shaking*
Homura: "O-OK! Fine! Just... How are you doing that?"
Sabrina: "Doing what?"
Homura: "My shoulder..."
Kyubey: "I'd like to know, too."
Homura: "Nevermind. What did you call me?"
Sabrina: "..."
Homura: "Sabrina..."
Sabrina: "...Heeeeeeeeeey!" *Crack!* "We're here! Hello Madoka! Hello Sayaka! Hello Homura! Nice day for a visit to the hospital, eh? Let's go in! We've people to visit!" *Drags Madoka and Sayaka inside*
Homura: "... One day."
So, do we get Sayaka to contract, or does Sabrina take Sayaka's place and make an OT3 between Mami, Kyouko, and Sabrina? Or does anyone have a different suggestion?
Krecart
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IIRC Koko sees Mami as a sister. I'd have to go read TDS again, but I distinctly remember a scene where Mami asks if they're friends and Kyouko doesn't reply because she thinks of Mami as a sister... or something like that.
We can't really keep it a secret from Sayaka whether we tell her or not. We already told her about the possibility of magically healing Kyosuke
If he miraculously recovers, she should be able to put the pieces together even if we don't tell her what we are doing first (idealistic and stubborn != a moron). And if we didn't tell her, I am pretty sure she will not be happy about that.
If he miraculously recovers, she should be able to put the pieces together even if we don't tell her what we are doing first (idealistic and stubborn != a moron). And if we didn't tell her, I am pretty sure she will not be happy about that.
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Having Kyousuke obligated to us isn't a problem as long as he doesn't interpret that obligation romantically. However, if he responds to that obligation by giving us a load of money then I (for one) definitely wouldn't object.Okay; breaking it down -
- Is healing violin-boy a good idea in the first place?
- If so, is letting him know that he was healed magically (rather than undergoing a miraculous recovery) a good idea?
- If so, is letting him know who was responsible, rather than concealing our identities, a good idea?
- Is letting Sayaka, or Hitomi, or both, know what we're doing a good idea? If so, how do we frame it?
Point one - why not, it sounds like a laugh. Besides, we like music.
Three - him developing a crush on us or our friends would be tiresome, and there's no obvious benefit in him feeling obligated to us. Doing this openly doesn't seem to have much to recommend it.
As for the rest - they hinge on how this is going to affect the Sayaka situation. The assumption that it'll make things better by default if Sayaka's in the loop is flying around a lot, and I'm honestly not seeing any backing for it at all.
The reasons for involving Sayaka are the following.
1. She knows Kyousuke the best, so she probably has some things that she could add to the conversation (how much money it would be appropriate to charge him, for instance).
2. Sayaka is currently under the misapprehension that making a wish to heal Kyousuke could make him reciprocate her romantic feelings. She probably doesn't think of it in exactly those terms, nevertheless the ideas of contracting and romantic attraction are connected in her mind. If we don't deal with this problem, then she might just switch to focusing on a different wish that would make him (or Hitomi) happy.
It's that getting it in the open lets us solve the Sayaka/Hitomi issue without tiptoeing around it and a group heal with us spelling things out lets us avoid the crush.Okay; breaking it down -
- Is healing violin-boy a good idea in the first place?
- If so, is letting him know that he was healed magically (rather than undergoing a miraculous recovery) a good idea?
- If so, is letting him know who was responsible, rather than concealing our identities, a good idea?
- Is letting Sayaka, or Hitomi, or both, know what we're doing a good idea? If so, how do we frame it?
Point one - why not, it sounds like a laugh. Besides, we like music.
Three - him developing a crush on us or our friends would be tiresome, and there's no obvious benefit in him feeling obligated to us. Doing this openly doesn't seem to have much to recommend it.
As for the rest - they hinge on how this is going to affect the Sayaka situation. The assumption that it'll make things better by default if Sayaka's in the loop is flying around a lot, and I'm honestly not seeing any backing for it at all.
Hiding stuff is just complicating it unnecessarily. At the very least we bring Hitomi in so we don't worry about this situation where she doesn't know what's going on and inadvertently making things worse due to said ignorance.
If healing him results on him crushing on the healer, wouldn't that reinforce the idea that making a wish for him would have worked?
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I have no problem with Kyousuke.
As for this being our problem, people around us being sad is our problem.
Also, I agree that Sayaka should be involved or she might be upset.
I'm fine with Kyousuke finding out about magic. I'd even be okay with him developing a crush on us if it wasn't for the fact that we're both the targets of other individuals' affections and that such a thing would therefore likely cause problems.
Really, we just want to avoid those complications.
EDIT:^ Hence we make the "healer" a grief construct he'd never be able to pursue relationship with. We could even make it our magical pet squirrel.
As for this being our problem, people around us being sad is our problem.
Also, I agree that Sayaka should be involved or she might be upset.
I'm fine with Kyousuke finding out about magic. I'd even be okay with him developing a crush on us if it wasn't for the fact that we're both the targets of other individuals' affections and that such a thing would therefore likely cause problems.
Really, we just want to avoid those complications.
EDIT:^ Hence we make the "healer" a grief construct he'd never be able to pursue relationship with. We could even make it our magical pet squirrel.
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Yeah, it's not really a matter of who knows. It's a matter of pulling this off without complications. I'll entertain whatever approaches have the least or least likely.
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Kinda distasteful. Can't we just rob a bank or some shit like that?
In which case, letting her see magic make someone immensely happy without apparent cost isn't actually going to help us a great deal?
I'm not seeing how doing this openly necessarily helps us solve that issue, though. I think it stands a reasonable chance of making things worse, what with Sayaka's whole oh-woe-is-me-I-can't-repay-my-debts thing.
But that's okay! Our primary concern here isn't whether Sayaka and/or Hitomi gets the K or not, and thank Cthulhu for that.
We're doing this so that Sayaka doesn't make a contract to do it.
She doesn't need to know we're doing it to in order for us to achieve that objective. He doesn't need to know we're doing it to in order for us to achieve that objective. If we're lucky, once he's all fixed up and practicing his fingering on violin-chan twenty-six hours a day, his shortcomings will become clear to all involved. If we're really lucky, this will happen before either Hitomi or Sayaka makes a move. This is probably overly optimistic. It is also a secondary concern.
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We really should have told Hitomi about Meguca already, it's annoying to talk around her at lunch and there's really no downside to it I can see. We should do that next time we see her.
Well, yes....and honestly what do you think the odds of Sayaka not knowing we're doing that are?
The most important part of getting Sayaka and Hitomi in a room and talking is so that this current situation where she's miserable and can't bring Hitomi into the loop doesn't just continue indefinitely and leave her miserable enough to possibly contract anyway.
It's got nothing to do with healing beyond it being killing two birds with one stone.
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This. We're just letting things stay in an awkward status quo for no real benefit and possible detriment.
The most important part of getting Sayaka and Hitomi in a room and talking is so that this current situation where she's miserable and can't bring Hitomi into the loop doesn't just continue indefinitely and leave her miserable enough to possibly contract anyway.
It's got nothing to do with healing beyond it being killing two birds with one stone.
@Jackercracks
This. We're just letting things stay in an awkward status quo for no real benefit and possible detriment.
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Sayaka should probably be involved in some way, we are doing this for her sake after all.
Doing this behind her back or without involving her in some way, will likely lead to her being sad again.
I would prefer doing this without Kyouskes explicit knowledge however.
He can't really help us with anything and having him crush on us or even Mami or Homura will only add to our social troubles. I personally don't really care about him and his violin obsession and only want to heal him to give Sayaka one less reason to contract.
I also agree that we should tell Hitomi about magical girls sometime. She is a very stable girl and could help the more fragile members of the group to keep it together.
And now for something completely different:
How high is the chance of finding something like this , when we go weapon hunting with Homura?
Doing this behind her back or without involving her in some way, will likely lead to her being sad again.
I would prefer doing this without Kyouskes explicit knowledge however.
He can't really help us with anything and having him crush on us or even Mami or Homura will only add to our social troubles. I personally don't really care about him and his violin obsession and only want to heal him to give Sayaka one less reason to contract.
I also agree that we should tell Hitomi about magical girls sometime. She is a very stable girl and could help the more fragile members of the group to keep it together.
And now for something completely different:
How high is the chance of finding something like this , when we go weapon hunting with Homura?
Krecart
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Wouldn't something like that be vehicle mounted?
...she can steal whole vehicles, right?
Fuck stealing from the Yakuza, let's go help her hit the JSDF or a US military base.
Not exactly. In canon, Sayaka wanted Kyousuke to be healed for his own sake and she also wanted him to reciprocate her romantic feelings. But she also disliked the idea of making a selfish wish and she didn't want his reciprocation to be based on the fact that she had healed him. So denied the fact that she had selfish desires and wished for him to be healed in secret; implicitly hoping that he would reciprocate her feelings once he stopped being depressed, but not actually making it a condition of the wish. The wish itself happened exactly as she had asked, but the rest of her circumstances (lichification and Hitomi) didn't turn out the way she wanted them to, so she was upset. The problem was that she had two motivations about the situation (one selfish and one unselfish), but she was confused about her motivation and tried to stick with the unselfish motivation while lying to herself about the selfish motivation.
The situation here is further complicated by Sayaka's feelings of obligation towards Hitomi, but from Sayaka's perspective, that basically works out as a third motivation. What Sayaka needs is to separate and acknowledge all of her own motivations and realize that a wish is not a valid solution to any of them.
The situation is set up such that in any honest conversation, Sayaka is going to capitulate to Hitomi completely. She'll end up more miserable than she started.
And what I said is by healing Kyouske with any method that results in a crush, we are doing the exact opposite and showing to Sayaka that a wish would have solved her selfish motivation.