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Ugolino said:
"Reassure Mami as best you can." isn't going to work if she thinks we're just going to do the same stupidity all over again the moment she isn't looking. That'd be perfectly in keeping with what she knows about us, and we need to say SOMETHING along the lines of "we're not doing this again" to make sure she doesn't worry later. We're going to have to poke the Witch cores,yes , but there's no reason to let Mami think we're idiotic enough to rush in and repeat this little fiasco.
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Going to have to agree with Mura here. You're kinda panicking worse than Sabrina is right now. Chill.
CornyBones said:
[x] Explain the science of what just happened
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[ ] Use the seed Homura gave us. Thank her for it.
[ ] "I'm fine. It's just some feedback."
[ ] Reassure Mami as best you can. Cleanse everyone's gems too.
[ ] Proceed with the witch hunt. Let Mami take center stage, but feel free to bring out what you've learnt to do with grief. Flaming swords and rays of disintegration from your fingers, that sort of thing.
[ ] Snag a familiar to experiment on later.

[jk] "See Mami? We're improving! This time we only did stupid dangerous stuff while you were there and thought it was a good idea. Progress!"

Now, was that reaction an inherent fact of all familiars or was it only because the witch was still alive and you were in its barrier? If we kill the witch and keep a familiar, will the control be possible because it is no longer being commanded by an active witch? If the strength of the feedback is equal to [Witch+all active Familiars] then the feedback from one familiar should be < 1/20th as much. I for one want to find out . . . later. When Homura is there and Mami isn't.


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So the mental effect of the Witch is essentially the same as what it has on a Witch-kissed. And it seems familiars require souls to become more. Seems to all fit together very neatly. The next step would be seeing if we can imitate that grief proto-core. It's possible it contains a fragment or copied fragment of the original witch's soul, though, which we've seen we can't control.
 
I'm more worried that we're just going to ignore that we probably gave Mami even more reasons to be worried about us/limpet to us in favor of...doing absolutely nothing about it. The whole point of COOPERATION is to reduce trauma, and we achieved completely the opposite result.
 
Ugolino said:
I don't want to know how full our Gem was before Sabrina clued in.
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Why not? That seems like useful information.
Ugolino said:
This was a mistake, and now we're going to have to reassure Mami because of it. The plan fails to properly deal with that, and how she's going to worry.
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It's a little late for Mumi worry.
Ugolino said:
We interfere with her visions.
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We just used her to do Grief item experiments.

Huh, so that sucked. Maybe we should try to examine familiars more carefully in the future before just trying to take one.

We can actually do the SCIENCE vote next time since it was all observation and dissection before trying to make our own as opposed to trying to steal one.
 
As an aside, I'm not sure Mami will need a huge amount of reassurance here. I mean, we're in a Witches Barrier, dangerous stuff happens here. She will have come to terms with that years ago while working with Kyouko, or at least in the long time after. Well, that's what I was going to say anyway. Then I re-read the post and it looks like we ever got Homura worried, so it must have been pretty dramatic. On the upside Homura is worried about us, that means she cares at least a bit, good times. Still, bad things happen in a barrier. Mami should be used to this.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
I have to say I don't really like the show off idea as phrased (again). Better to repeat what we already said about trying things, or even seeing if there are things they can teach us through demonstration.
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Seems reasonable, stick it into a phrase and I'll vote for it.
 
Krecart said:
Why not? That seems like useful information.

It's a little late for Mumi worry.

We just used her to do Grief item experiments.

Huh, so that sucked. Maybe we should try to examine familiars more carefully in the future before just trying to take one.

We can actually do the SCIENCE vote next time since it was all observation and dissection before trying to make our own as opposed to trying to steal one.
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Because the answer is "too close to full" no matter what the specifics are.

So we should focus on DEALING with said worry rather than do practically nothing and hope for the best.

Jackercracks said:
As an aside, I'm not sure Mami will need a huge amount of reassurance here.
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This is PMAS Mami, and we were screaming in pain. Yeah, she's going to need reassurance after this screw-up.
 
Krecart said:
We can actually do the SCIENCE vote next time since it was all observation and dissection before trying to make our own as opposed to trying to steal one.
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It wasn't just taking control of it that triggered the despair feedback. If we had prodded the grief core at all it would've triggered it. The science vote would've triggered the feedback loop around

--[] Try to find whatever gives it intelligence. Whether that's a core, or something else.
----[] See if you can figure out how it's behavior is dictated...if you can make sense of it, try modifying its programming so that it will obey and/or help us, rather than the Witch.

This line, assuming the dissection doesn't trigger it. And frankly, after this close call, I don't think we should be pursuing any kind of familiar experimentation in the presence of Mami for, well, the rest of the quest, really.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
I have to say I don't really like the show off idea as phrased (again). Better to repeat what we already said about trying things, or even seeing if there are things they can teach us through demonstration.
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Why do people keep having problems with us just cutting lose and having fun?

More seriously, those two ideas aren't exclusive. We can encourage them to experiment with things they've wanted to do and show off our new weapons at the same time. They aren't conflicting things.
 
Is there a particular reason we shouldn't try to remove all the grief AROUND the protoseed? Like, I can see why people don't want to try it, but...

...I mean it's right there. Rending it apart and leaving just the protoseed isn't really that different from straight up blasting the bugger.
 
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