Thank you!Hey @Firnagzen. Just wanted to say how freaking brilliant how you handled Sabrina's personality with the "gimmick" of this quest. Taking the "usual" approach and attitude of SV (inherited from SB) and turning them into legit character strengths and flaws
- Our LOLzy Internet humor, and Sabrina has a endearing, adorable air-headedness and snark
- Our tendency to jump into the plot, and Sabrina has a strong desire to help, sometimes bordering on or crossing a hero complex (character strength and flaw)
- With our usual voting style (long votes, usually low on conditionals), Sabrina tends to be a bit too forceful, preachy, "I know best" attitude (a legit character flaw)
- Forums rightfully calling us out on this, Sabrina calls herself out on this and realizes what she is doing is something she needs to work on (which puts her ahead of, well, MOST of the PMMM chars). (Self introspection, a character strength)
I just gotta say, this is pretty cool how you've handled this, and I am glad to now be a part of this now.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Say, this isn't really part of the current discussion(s)- but have we thought about cleaning our gem, cleaning Hildegarde's seed, and touching them?
I mean, as far as I remember, physical contact does mean SOMETHING to a Soul Gem, since that is how you wake up someone whose Gem was taken out of range, like after our little skirmish against Akiko and co.
Since we are a grief controller, I don't think there's much risk involved.
But I can't remember if we tried this already or not.
I mean, as far as I remember, physical contact does mean SOMETHING to a Soul Gem, since that is how you wake up someone whose Gem was taken out of range, like after our little skirmish against Akiko and co.
Since we are a grief controller, I don't think there's much risk involved.
But I can't remember if we tried this already or not.
In that scenario...we wouldn't have any grief in either gem other than the souls themselves, right?
While it's one thing we can try, that sounds like a good way to get our soul eaten if things go horribly wrong, so we'd want to try it very carefully if at all.
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@TheSlayers: We have not, but I think nothing would happen, since souls being inside is immaterial for regular cleansing + Hildegirl is quiescent anyway.
I wonder if a corrupted soul gem can take grief from nigh-empty grief seed though, even if there's no particular use for that experiment that I can figure out. +Oriko already cleansed with Hildegirl.
I wonder if a corrupted soul gem can take grief from nigh-empty grief seed though, even if there's no particular use for that experiment that I can figure out. +Oriko already cleansed with Hildegirl.
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If the clean Hildegard didn't eat Oriko's soul, and we explicitly can't control the named item (speculated to be the soul) in the middle of a grief seed, which is the same thing as in the middle of a soul gem, it seems pretty safe to me. But the result "nothing happens" seems likely, too. I don't really see a way to do it carefully, either. Even with a spotter, if things go badly its not like they can do anything.
I mean, we have literally handled these grief seeds with our hands. If the soul was going to try to seize control of a body from physical contact it would have done so already.
Yes, no grief in either. And constant removal of any generated grief from both.
Of course we'd have to be careful, but... I somehow doubt very much that a tiny little lost soul like Hildy is gonna be able to do much damage to us. Maybe we could try it while Homura is around or something, for safety.
Gadjo
Doka
I'm just saying that befriending Kyosuke ranks below even Asunaro on the list of shit to do. We have no personal connection to the guy, and he'll be fine without us once healed.
That's some pretty hardcore shadowrunning, Ugo. If there's no grief present, more than likely nothing will happen at all. Couldn't hurt to test. Also, again, I think we should poke our empty Hilde seed with telepathy again; it's one of our strongest leads, and we've only tried it when it still had grief in it right?
Yes, it certainly couldn't hit us with a despairjolt or anything. Little Hildy's harmless.
Joking aside, yeah, worth a careful try but I suspect we'll get "nothing happens".
No, we tried it while it was still a witch, but after we had ripped down all of its active parts. The result that time scared us off of attempting any kind of contact with any grief seed. Also, to add to the paranoia, telepathy is Kyubey-routed so we could easily reveal this experiment by accident.
Eh, the grief WOULD BE the "despair jolt". So... I think "She" is pretty much in a state of apathy right now. Or unconsciousness, choose your poison.Yes, it certainly couldn't hit us with a despairjolt or anything. Little Hildy's harmless.
Joking aside, yeah, worth a careful try but I suspect we'll get "nothing happens".
That reminds me, we DID try telepathy already, right? We certainly should try during this test if we do it.
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Oh dang I forgot that. My bad.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Grief make telepathy disruptor (prevent telepathy with things outside a certain area)? Followed by grief make telepathy communicator (private telepathy)?
Gadjo
Doka
I think he'll figure out what we're doing eventually, and the experiment is important enough that I'd risk revealing it to Kyubey. Poking it with telepathy while it's empty should have a very different result and I think it's worth testing. The first time, it was made of and surrounded by grief; of course some crazy shit went down when we tried to telepathy it. Now, at worst, we should get no response at all since it shouldn't be able to grief jolt us any more.
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@Gadjo: We wouldn't benefit, yeah. Our involvement in not-Meguca has been constrained almost entirely to "talking to potential contractees". However, if preventing Madoka/Sayaka-contract/giving Mami non-Meguca contacts is a thing, then it seems like it'd at least help with those, even if not by much *shrug*.
Besides, even considering the hypothetical where we would be able to hide revival up to until we do it (And I doubt it, given that he knows about time loops), I don't really see any benefit to it in particular.
Kinda meh objection when we already did it.
Besides, even considering the hypothetical where we would be able to hide revival up to until we do it (And I doubt it, given that he knows about time loops), I don't really see any benefit to it in particular.
We've telepathed (knowing about) witches, like with Masami or HIldegirl.
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@TheSlayers
We're actually not completely sure, leaning towards "maybe".
We're actually not completely sure, leaning towards "maybe".
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What do you think of the time Oriko telepathied us about Masami becoming a witch, then?
Thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten we'd used telepathy and talked about witches' origins already. Makes me a little sad he knows, though.
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When did he find out about the loops!? Did he find out this early in canon?
Hence maybe. Depending on how relay mechanics work for Kyubey.
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No idea about loops, Oriko said he knows.
I think he checks the information; besides being a clarketech interested in puella, see the Lichbomb with
There is a bit of reason for paranoia for Kyubey appearing when mentioned.
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I'm not saying we shouldn't try it. I just think it should be one of the last things we do. Last time Kyubey literally came to visit us immediately after we prodded Hildegard. It's reasonable to assume that our attempt attracted him.
Actually, re-reading, was this even telepathy at all? Telepathy was in the vote, but I'm not even sure we got to that part:
Actually, re-reading, was this even telepathy at all? Telepathy was in the vote, but I'm not even sure we got to that part:
AnonymousRabbit
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We sing Mumi the Cake song as a Lullaby as she goes to sleep after a hard day at school.
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It's reasonable to assume we're monitored at all times, expect perhaps in timestop and even then I am not sure.
However, hypothesis: Poking witches generates Kyubeys.
Sabrina: 'Oh yeah, one last thing.'
You take out Hildegarde's seed and give it a telepathetic poke.
Apathy. Nothing matters, this is all merely a story.
Then you look, and hear 'What are you doing Sabrina?'.
'Huh, another one of me? I've always wanted to see one.'
And then Kyubeys walked off into sunset.
NEUTRAL END
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Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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Short version, no. I'm having trouble finding the exact quote, but what Hildgarde did back then was basically the grief senses equivalent of shining a floodlight into our eyes. We didn't actually telepathy with the witch.
Gadjo
Doka
Good to know. Still, that means we should mess around even more with telepathy and grief senses with an empty seed. That research tree ain't goin' anywhere while we ignore it.