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You're missing the point; why would Homura expect things to work that way if that WASN'T the case? She's been doing this shit for ALMOST TWENTY YEARS.

Nevermind that removing the brain as a vulnerable weakspot is like...literally the whole point of Soul Gems in the first place. Kyubey claims Megucas can recover from absolutely anything as long as they're safe.
 
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@Kinematics: Thankfully, this is something we can test.

And even if it isn't restoring, at least Madoka gets close enough to be functionally same, so 'close enough' is possible.

As for soul gem restoring: No, but the same contracting results in ~same soul gem for girls.

However, that is an edge case and puella are not what I am discussing with this line.
AuraTwilight said:
You're missing the point; why would Homura expect things to work that way if that WASN'T the case? She's been doing this shit for ALMOST TWENTY YEARS.
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I've seen quite many different quotations of that figure, ranging from "8 loops, at the moment" to "98 years old".

Though I don't disagree with your point.
 
Cannongerbil said:
The point is that because she was in her own reality marble, events would occur as she expects them to, not as they would actually happen in the outside world. She continues operating even after taking a bullet to her brain because she expects that she would, not necessarily because it would actually happen outside her barrier.
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What we mean is that the fact that she was cool with shooting herself in the brain as a fake-out indicates that she already knew she wouldn't be negatively affected by it.
 
'Lement said:
Hm. Yuma is not that much younger than Sayaka or Madoka. Let's not risk it and antagonize the Kyouko.

It better not be. That would kinda kill our Hildegirl ideas :mad:

@Ugolino: So Mami doesn't accept that, but they still get along.

Besides, you're positing that Kyousuke would remain aloof and non-commitial, when we have word of Homura that he won't.

Geez, these things aren't instant, and Mami, at least pre-Sabrina, won't shatter when he wants to hold a concert. The girl kicked Kyouko out, give her some credit.

There aren't exactly many good ships in PMMM, but it is hardly the worst one.
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I'm not even sure what you're trying to say with half of these lines, but...
1. Him crushing for a while on anyone who'd heal his hand does not make him a good match for Mami in the slightest. And he did give up, so...
2. Pre-Sabrina is kind of the issue here. Mami is not pre-Sabrina...and even then it's a bad, bad ship for reasons everyone's been trying to get through to you.
3. Personality-wise, he is an extremely poor match for Mami, and unlikely to be properly supportive...and right now is simply NOT the time for shipping Mami. She's not in a good place for that.
4.How the hell is kicking Kyouko out meant to be an argument relevant or supporting shipping her with someone? That she's not dependent? That practically BROKE her, and that was with canon Mami...and Kyouko pretty much LEFT on her own initiative.

It's a bad ship in general, it's an AWFUL ship here even if you don't support Mami/Sabrina, and regardless shipping Mami with anyone right now is just pouring gasoline on the fire.
 
Those are all from Quests with different linelines, 'Lement. Canoncially Homura is supposed to be like...in her late 20's or something, mentally.

Also the only good ship with Kyousuke is him and his broke-ass hand. Let's not ship anyone with him.
 
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AuraTwilight said:
Those are all from Quests with different linelines, 'Lement. Canoncially Homura is supposed to be like...in her late 20's or something, mentally.

Also the only good ship with Kyousuke is him and his broke-ass hand. Let's not ship anyone with him.
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Hey, he loves his violin very, very much.

Let him, Hitomi, and Sayaka sort out their own mess without magic being thrown into the mix other than for his hand.
 
AuraTwilight said:
You're missing the point; why would Homura expect things to work that way if that WASN'T the case? She's been doing this shit for ALMOST TWENTY YEARS.
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Because she was extrapolating?

Look, I'm not saying that it's impossible, I just hate it when people start treating what happens in Rebellion as though everything that happens within Homura barrier can be mapped one to one to what would happen outside of it, and use that as precedent for..huh.

I, uh, might have lost track of the original argument. Sorry.:oops:
 
Let's borrow Rin for like ten minutes (via Sakura teleportation), knock Kiwibjo out, heal him while he's down, and in the morning be all "MIRACLES!"

Let it be an act of God. He can waifu the Almighty if he wants, being a monk will keep Sayaka and Hitomi out of his hair, and he can practice his violin for services.
 
@Cannongerbil

About the warning Mami and Homura line. That was made because we're too close to the school. We only have 10 minutes and our new compression method pings loudly on witchdar. It would quite possibly alert Mami and Homura to a false alarm. We're just giving them a heads up about it.
 
AuraTwilight said:
Those are all from Quests with different linelines, 'Lement. Canoncially Homura is supposed to be like...in her late 20's or something, mentally.

Also the only good ship with Kyousuke is him and his broke-ass hand. Let's not ship anyone with him.
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Aren't they about 14, with her loops equaling ~8 years meaning she's more in her early twenties, mentally? Or did this quest establish a longer looping period early on and I just forgot?
 
Gadjo said:
Aren't they about 14, with her loops equaling ~8 years meaning she's more in her early twenties, mentally? Or did this quest establish a longer looping period early on and I just forgot?
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She's not in her early 20's mentally, though. She still has the mental processes of a teenager. Furthermore, she's been living the same month over and over again. She's no more mentally an adult than a kid who's been raised by wolves is developmentally a normal child.
 
Kinematics said:
...any more than you could glue the broken pieces of a soul gem back together to bring a magical girl back to life.
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Have we tried?

I mean, it's certainly not something we should intentionally experiment, but if we do happen to find ourself in a situation where there is a nearby shattered soul gem, surely it's better than just doing nothing. I mean, worst case, it doesn't work.
 
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@Ugolino:
1. Refutes the claim of him ignoring.
2. "Pre-Sabrina" Mami wasn't quite healthy either, but healthier than now. If Mami can get over her crush of Sabrina, she is in a better place mentally - something we won't ever be able to confirm with Mami/Sabrina ship, even ignoring it's other effects and implications. If Mami can't get over her crush of Sabrina, it won't happen.
3. On first half, see 1. And on second half....See friendship+1. Geez, if he was entirely faulty he wouldn't be familiar or even friends with half our circle.
4. Yes, that she won't bend over backwards. Kyoko was hardly the only one to leave, either - and in the scenario you're transplanting from situations with friends with cruses on him, not vice-versa, he didn't go out his way to abandon people either.

Shipping with Mami won't happen until Mami is in better headspace due her attachment to Sabrina - the only one that can happen is the Mami/Sabrina ship, right now.

And I suppose group healing can work, too - but this is a guarantee to get a non-meguca contact/friend, and as long as the issues persist Hitomi/Sayaka understand just fine that it is not happening.
Ugolino said:
Let him, Hitomi, and Sayaka sort out their own mess without magic being thrown into the mix other than for his hand.
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Not possible without a contract.

Random832 said:
Have we tried?

I mean, it's certainly not something we should intentionally experiment, but if we do happen to find ourself in a situation where there is a nearby shattered soul gem, surely it's better than just doing nothing. I mean, worst case, it doesn't work.
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We're going to need a better glue.

Though, if you remove the dirt some materials can stick together flat surface to flat surface on their own.
 
thagguy said:
Because Homura is just the best at reading people amirite
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... What, exactly, are you going on about? Possible influence of brain injury on continued mental function has no bearing on how good Homura is at reading people. Like, at all. Her experience - that is to say, the fact that she's seen a lot of megucas injured - probably is relevant. :wtf:
 
thagguy said:
Because Homura is just the best at reading people amirite
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That...has nothing to do with anything. Reading people is a completely irrelevent factor re:if I shoot myself in the fucking head will I die or not.

Gadjo said:
Aren't they about 14, with her loops equaling ~8 years meaning she's more in her early twenties, mentally? Or did this quest establish a longer looping period early on and I just forgot?
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I remember official statements ranging things to around ~100 loops, which would work out to 12 or so years.

She's not in her early 20's mentally, though. She still has the mental processes of a teenager. Furthermore, she's been living the same month over and over again. She's no more mentally an adult than a kid who's been raised by wolves is developmentally a normal child.
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When people say that, they mean how many memories of experience she has in her personal timeline, not emotional maturity. Don't be pedantic.

Not possible without a contract.
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The PSP game disagrees.

However the alternative is Sayaka and Hitomi having a fight in the school yard and Hitomi becoming Homura's limpet. So yea let's do it.
 
thagguy said:
She's not in her early 20's mentally, though. She still has the mental processes of a teenager. Furthermore, she's been living the same month over and over again. She's no more mentally an adult than a kid who's been raised by wolves is developmentally a normal child.
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Point. I just meant so far as subjective time experienced. I agree, she is quite emotionally stunted, and that's part of why she never wins (she's almost completely unable to deal with people that are even slightly disagreeable).
 
'Lement said:
I've seen quite many different quotations of that figure, ranging from "8 loops, at the moment" to "98 years old".
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98 years old is definitely a quest (Ersatz, I think). We are shown 5 timelines in the anime, plus the manga side stories give a couple more, so that's 7 or 8 at absolute minimum. The personality shift, however, requires far more than that.

I don't know that an actual canon number was ever given, but I've always assumed somewhere around 100 loops for simplicity, which is 11-12 years. However the story is flexible enough that you can move that number quite a bit without trouble.
 
@thagguy No problem, yo. :U Although that would be funny.

"Homura, what the hell?!"
"OWWWW. Mami, why didn't you try to stop me, the fuck?!"
"You seemed like you knew what you were doing."
"..."
 
Kinematics said:
98 years old is definitely a quest (Ersatz, I think). We are shown 5 timelines in the anime, plus the manga side stories give a couple more, so that's 7 or 8 at absolute minimum. The personality shift, however, requires far more than that.

I don't know that an actual canon number was ever given, but I've always assumed somewhere around 100 loops for simplicity, which is 11-12 years. However the story is flexible enough that you can move that number quite a bit without trouble.
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At two points in the anime, Madoka and Homura are being held up by strings representing timelines in a visual metaphor. There were ( I think) 14 strings in those shots, so assuming none of them are duplicates, I place the minimum number of loops at 14.

Upper bound is anyone's ball game, but that's the floor, I think.
 
I don't think those strings can be interpreted as an accurate numerical value of any kind, however, considering they were there for allegorically crucifying the girls because symbolism.
 
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