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Creepy thought: Does a soul gem contain a soul, or is it a soul. If it shatters, have you released a soul or destroyed one?... Not that we have much idea of how souls work outside puella magi and witches although ive heard it suggested they are likely far from indestructible)
 
Agent Whiskers said:
How exactly would we heal her anyway? She's missing an arm, right? That would take forever for a non-healing type magical girl to fix.
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Not the arm, her minor leftover injuries.

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I suspect release given Kyoko and Mami could talk to Madoka pre new timeline and post ascension. That means their souls were presumably still around in some form after their deaths.

Krecart said:
We could ask Coobs, maybe? It'd give us a chance to see how FOOF reacts to incubators at least.
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Information control with Kyubey though- and we don't want to tip our hand if we don't have to.
 
Xexilf said:
Creepy thought: Does a soul gem contain a soul, or is it a soul. If it shatters, have you released a soul or destroyed one?... Not that we have much idea of how souls work outside puella magi and witches although ive heard it suggested they are likely far from indestructible)
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Kyubey says the soul is annihilated after death, but his word isn't necessarily absolute on this category.
 
Kyubey has stated that a soul 'vanishes' when the Soul Gem is destroyed. Whether it vanishes for the afterlife or is destroyed is unknown, but it canonically does not float away in the material world in a way that Kyubey can observe.
 
QB bullshitting said:
It's an amazing construction, but once your bodies stop functioning, your soul disappears.
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Muramasa said:
I'm thinking since we can make grief pretend to be whatever. I'm thinking we could make a grief object with 'magical properties'. And bullshit some 'ring of regeneration' or something.
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...We could probably make an arm.

We haven't tried seeing what happens to our grief-mimics when we're out of range yet, have we?
 
Ugolino said:
We already managed to impersonate non-Grief objects with strings last update...So that seems extremely likely.

Illusions that aren't just grief masquerading as said object though...

I think we want to examine a live familiar before we try and replicate one, if only for a better idea of just how it works.

The Witch thing runs into a problem- we don't know yet just how that familiar-grown Grief Seeds forms. A good starting point there is seeing if familiars that eat grief marbles form Witches with Seeds or not.

Hammer infusion doesn't work, and I'm not sure where we'd even start for teleportation.
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Start with the space-manipulation experiments I mentioned. I really want to try and recreate a tesserect. If that works, we'll have (literally) a whole new dimension to our power we'd want to explore.

On the hiding grief thing, we can change it's properties, so can we change how it feels to us? Start with that.

Agreed with you on the familiar and witch front. Most of what I mentioned was rampant speculation. Also, I want to check what happens if try seemingly impossible stuff, like visual illusions often represented in paintings and bring them to life. They should very much be possible.

As far as I can see we have roughly a varied version of Dark Matter, the Level 5 Esper ability from To Aru.
 
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Muramasa said:
I'm thinking since we can make grief pretend to be whatever. I'm thinking we could make a grief object with 'magical properties'. And bullshit some 'ring of regeneration' or something.
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Uhh...How about we don't experiment with things that we don't understand on people we like?

Quest said:
Start with the space-manipulation experiments I mentioned. I really want to try and recreate a tesserect. If that works, we'll have (literally) a whole new dimension to our power we'd want to explore.
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This one falls under barrier science, and can we not try and replicate obviously fantastical stuff? I can't even count the number of ways trying to create an infinite enrrgy cube out of grief can go wrong, and the benefits of doing so are miniscule anyway.

Also, new finishing move idea: Giant 100 meter long flaming blade. It'd be impressive as shit and we can call it Laevatainn and everything!
 
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IIRC several of the familliar/witch cards have statements about them taking souls or lifeforce etc. so its a safe bet witches can interfere with souls (and thus can we, in theory).
 
AuraTwilight said:
Kyubey has stated that a soul 'vanishes' when the Soul Gem is destroyed. Whether it vanishes for the afterlife or is destroyed is unknown, but it canonically does not float away in the material world in a way that Kyubey can observe.
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In the manga it implies that both witches and magical girls go to some sort of afterlife after death, even before Madokami (Sayaka and Kyoko have a little reunion after Kyoko kills them both) but that is of questionable canonicity due to some contradictions between the manga and anime.
 
Xexilf said:
IIRC several of the familliar/witch cards have statements about them taking souls or lifeforce etc. so its a safe bet witches can interfere with souls (and thus can we, in theory).
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Examining a witch's kiss would be a good start. That can at least affect the mind and works on pure grief.
 
Re: Nature of soul gems and grief seeds-- Higure did a detailed analysis on that a while back in this thread that was breathtaking in its complexity and the sense it made (yes I'm a fan) and which is now my headcanon. I don't have the link(s) handy though...
 
Just a random thought here: What if the grief seed 'container', for lack of a better word, is the soul gem of a magical girl that's been transformed somehow? That might explain how we aren't capable of making one, as it's not made from grief.
 
Gadjo said:
In the manga it implies that both witches and magical girls go to some sort of afterlife after death, even before Madokami (Sayaka and Kyoko have a little reunion after Kyoko kills them both) but that is of questionable canonicity due to some contradictions between the manga and anime.
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Oriko and Kirika also had a conversation when one was a Witch and the other was very, very dead but runs into the same issues with "generic afterlife".

Zako said:
Just a random thought here: What if the grief seed 'container', for lack of a better word, is the soul gem of a magical girl that's been transformed somehow? That might explain how we aren't capable of making one, as it's not made from grief.
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The fact that when we tried removing a soul from the seed back at Oriko's, it was described as "trying to remove the concept of a donut from a donut" does support that, yeah.
 
Duskwitch said:
Re: Nature of soul gems and grief seeds-- Higure did a detailed analysis on that a while back in this thread that was breathtaking in its complexity and the sense it made (yes I'm a fan) and which is now my headcanon. I don't have the link(s) handy though...
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That one also makes ALL the assumptions, however. It's complex, sure, but it's also so far out there it's basically borderline unusable in any quest that follows the canon PMMM universe.
 
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