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linkhyrule5 said:
If she's threatening an attack, the act of our going to rescue them plays into her plans.

If she's actually attacking, it's more likely that rescuing them sabotages her plans. (Though who knows; precog lets you "threaten" people by actually attacking them, knowing that you'll fail and be driven off, but unharmed.)
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Right, I'm sure Oriko was caught completely off guard by us showing up to pull Sayaka out of a burning building.
 
Torgamous said:
I think we can agree there. I'm not sure I prefer reacting to attacks rather than threats of attacks, though.
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Also, despite her recent attack, I don't actually see what she has to gain by actually killing Madoka/Sayaka. Except maybe by preventing their contract in a permanent way - though she might be able to predict that killing Madoka is an instant lose situation for her, since Homura will reset time.

Everything she has to gain comes from our reactions to it. Therefore I seek to react in distinctly unhelpful ways (for her.)
 
linkhyrule5 said:
Everything she has to gain comes from our reactions to it. Therefore I seek to react in distinctly unhelpful ways (for her.)
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So we should resolve to roll over and go to sleep the next time we get a call for help in the middle of the night?

I don't want to play chicken with a precog. We will lose. There are plenty of things she can do that we can't ignore.
 
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NephyrisX said:
Oh hey guys, wha-

*see people arguing over reading a fucking note*
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This is what occurs when enemies with future sight appear vs people with timetravel and timestopping powers.
We're still at level two theory crafting. Once we start making charts, choice trees, and planning self-sustaining abuse of powers you know we've spent far too much time on the issue.

On a side note this is obviously a Xantos Gambit where if we ignore the note, it'll bother us, and if we look at the note it'll bother us.
/Probably joking.
 
Torgamous said:
So we should resolve to roll over and go to sleep the next time we get a call for help in the middle of the night?

I don't want to play chicken with a precog. We will lose.
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It's not a matter of playing chicken. It's a matter of keeping them safe.

Really, what we should've done is done the rescue entirely in timestop, and spread out before releasing it so that she couldn't catch us with a bomb or something.

Or something similarly unhelpful to her plans. As it is, we were called away from our homes for a significant amount of time and just caused another mountain of paperwork for Kyubey to clean up. Both things that could be exploited.
 
linkhyrule5 said:
Or something similarly unhelpful to her plans. As it is, we were called away from our homes for a significant amount of time and just caused another mountain of paperwork for Kyubey to clean up. Both things that could be exploited.
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This is not the first time our home has been empty, and Kyuubey cleans shit up. That's its job.

Reacting in a way that foils her plans requires having the slightest idea what her plans are. So far all we know is that it does not involve killing Madoka.
 
Torgamous said:
This is not the first time our home has been empty, and Kyuubey cleans shit up. That's its job.

Reacting in a way that foils her plans requires having the slightest idea what her plans are. So far all we know is that it does not involve killing Madoka.
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Yes, but we can react in a way that's not likely to help any plan.

For example, we're likely to stay indoors in the middle of the night. If something occurs that makes it likely that we would leave, it would be nice if we minimized the amount of time outdoors - since that's something that many possible plans would require, and is unlikely to be a double-bluff since we were asleep and therefore unlikely to be outdoors without intervention in the first place.
 
Way back on page 39..

GM said:
Oriko has her own agenda, and that agenda is not, I will say it again, not to murder Madoka. It is to save Mitakihara and the world, yes, but does not currently involve at any point Madoka's death. That can change, but not at the moment.

She is still antagonistic to you and the rest of the Mitakihara crew.
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Why is Oriko antagonistic to us and the rest of the crew when our goals should be aligned towards saving the world? Let's try to find out why.
Or we could try and manipulate the grief inside her soul gem to cause some emotional instability to help us figure her out or mess her up.
 
LightMage said:
Why is Oriko antagonistic to us and the rest of the crew when our goals should be aligned towards saving the world? Let's try to find out why.
Or we could try and manipulate the grief inside her soul gem to cause some emotional instability to help us figure her out or mess her up.
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Indeed, that would be nice!

Just not in a way that's really easy for her to manipulate, like a note that she left behind. Call her at some subjectively random time; it's still exploitable, but less so than something she's set up.
 
On the other hand messing with emotions via soul gem and grief might just backfire really horribly.
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We could just put a grief pearl in her pocket to mess with her? Hmmm. Meh best plan is to find them while timestopped and then drag em out to sea inside a cage or something so we can have a reasonable discussion without all this future sight / passive-aggressive stuff.
 
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