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Cannongerbil said:
Well, we'll need to secure their cooperation in some manner in order to permanently break the system, because, powerful as we are, we neither have the resources to break the system in a long lasting way nor the ability to stand up against them should they chose to go against us. Whatever plan we come up with needs to have their approval, otherwise it's only a matter of time before things come crashing down on us.
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Oh come on, all we have to do is Witch Out for Super Powers become a Goddess and rewrite the universe.

Can't be that hard.
 
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That will never happen so long as we exist in the vicinity of his golden goose, Madoka. She's pretty much worth more than the entire planet earth, to him.
 
I might be able to die happy if we managed to freak out a Clarke-tech race of bunnycats so hard they resort to orbital bombardment to kill us.
 
Muramasa said:
No, I mean why would he wipe out a huge portion of Earth over one magical girl? Earth still remains a significant resource, no matter how much of a pain in the ass we are to him.
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Why are you assuming orbital bombardment would take out a "huge portion" of Earth? I'm not suggesting planet cracking, or even mass extinction level stuff. Just artillery or nukes from orbit.
 
Muramasa said:
No, I mean why would he wipe out a huge portion of Earth over one magical girl? Earth still remains a significant resource, no matter how much of a pain in the ass we are to him.
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For that matter, Kyubey has Bullshit Tier Science. It seems 100% reasonable for him to whip out an orbital laser cannon that has an impact diameter no wider than a pencil, then laze Sabrina's gem directly.
 
Aranfan said:
Why are you assuming orbital bombardment would take out a "huge portion" of Earth? I'm not suggesting planet cracking, or even mass extinction level stuff. Just artillery or nukes from orbit.
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Assuming we managed to freak out coobs this much?

*shrugs*

Hope Oriko and Homu can react accordingly. Or maybe slip into our own witch barrier to lol dodge. We would have to have progressed pretty far with our Science to get Coobs riled up this bad.
 
Crasian01 said:
No, we think we know what his goal is. Is the generation of energy a solution to a problem or the problem itself? What specifically are we trying to fight, and why are we fighting it? Is entropy merely the Incubators' dumbing down of a much greater and more dangerous concept, or is it truly the measurement of the number of microstates of the universe that the Incubators are trying to modify?

When one party is so mysterious that their basic motivations are shrouded in half-truths and not-lies, it pays dividends to corner them with phrasing and questions to find out the real truth of the matter. Even then, nothing is true and everything is permitted, so we must assume that the stated goals are potentially partway-false.
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If he had motivations nobler than that, he would have told them to Madoka in an effort to get them to contract. Everything he does supports that motive.
 
Muramasa said:
Assuming we managed to freak out coobs this much?

*shrugs*

Hope Oriko and Homu can react accordingly. Or maybe slip into our own witch barrier to lol dodge. We would have to have progressed pretty far with our Science to get Coobs riled up this bad.
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That, or just BLOCK IT with grief.

Seriously Kyubey has no recourse against magic. He can contain it at best.
 
Gadjo said:
If he had motivations nobler than that, he would have told them to Madoka in an effort to get them to contract. Everything he does supports that motive.
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Hmmm...

That's fair I suppose. In that case, a deeper understanding of the magnitude of the problem the Incubators face will help us come up with a better plan. For that matter, maybe our human insanity combined with our brain damage will provide a plan that Incubators didn't think of because they're too logical. That would be nice.

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@Muramasa

That's also fair. I guess the theory would also be that our Science would be good enough to at least find a way to not be instaganked?
 
Crasian01 said:
For that matter, Kyubey has Bullshit Tier Science. It seems 100% reasonable for him to whip out an orbital laser cannon that has an impact diameter no wider than a pencil, then laze Sabrina's gem directly.
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Within his power? Maybe. But it's also not his style. He prefers a slow death, preferably one that ends with witching out so that he actually gets something out of it.
 
Cannongerbil said:
Well, we'll need to secure their cooperation in some manner in order to permanently break the system, because, powerful as we are, we neither have the resources to break the system in a long lasting way nor the ability to stand up against them should they chose to go against us. Whatever plan we come up with needs to have their approval, otherwise it's only a matter of time before things come crashing down on us.
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This is very true. Our wish has not broken the system like Madoka, who's wish achieved her victory in a single strike. Instead we asked for the power to achieve our dream over asking for the dream itself.

Out of all the wishes we could have made, we chose one that is directly useful to Kuubs' profiled desires, the harvesting and extraction of grief. We achieve this by two massively positive goals: Firstly we can directly cultivate large stores of a previously unmanageable resource, and secondly we improve the shelf-life of previously finite wells (Soul Jems). If you think of it in terms of oil drilling, we're a global shipping center, where most girls are individual rigs.

Kuubs faces the challenge of courting a resource that has the potential to massively boost his operations efficiency, but at the same time is MASSIVELY savvy to both his goals and methods. And disapproves furiously. He has to TRY to win us over,
but can't approach us while we're hostile.

The best option for him would be duplicating our powers for industrial use, but that's a separate challenge. If they could just duplicate the effects of wishes, they'd game the system everytime something fortuitous came up.

The end result? We could likely make some rather outrageous demands of him, and he'd likely to comply out of a desire to foster communication at the least, and a better relationship at the best. We should not trust him, or even like him for that matter, but we should not refuse to use him.
 
CornyBones said:
This is very true. Our wish has not broken the system like Madoka, who's wish achieved her victory in a single strike. Instead we asked for the power to achieve our dream over asking for the dream itself.
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Huh. We really do have quite a bit in common with Homura. We probably remind her of herself in some of the earlier loops - full of hope and optimism, trying to save everyone...
 
o3o said:
Huh. We really do have quite a bit in common with Homura. We probably remind her of herself in some of the earlier loops - full of hope and optimism, trying to save everyone...
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Curses, Aura. You beat me to it.

It's gonna be really funny if we find out we're just some amnesiac with nothing to do with any of these people other than what we made up in our head.
 
"Actually, Hitomi wished you into existence."

"If I don't get to punch God in the stomach, I'm gonna create somebody who can."
 
Don't forget, since we (hypothetically) embody all of Madoka's potential, our witch should release enough energy for Kyubey to reach his quota. It therefore seems unlikely that he'll kill us before we turn into a witch.
 
Shit, being connected to Madoka isn't even unnecessary. Kyubey can't even gauge our potential properly and we would be a witch that controls GRIEF.

We're probably gonna be WORSE than Kriemheld Gretchen.
 
How much do you want to bet that all the Grief bending in the world won't save us if Mami were to die at any point?
 
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