... *sigh* I suppose.
Though I would actually consider it more likely that that's evidence for her not seeing far enough to know we were going to try and kill her this week, than that this isn't something malicious.
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Though I would actually consider it more likely that that's evidence for her not seeing far enough to know we were going to try and kill her this week, than that this isn't something malicious.
But she can affect Sabrina's thoughts.
With, you know. Words.
That mean things. And affect her decisions.
Well unless you're suggesting giving ourselves a griefblade lobotomy...
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god why are we still arguing this?
link I'm done debating. We're not going to see eye to eye here. You think there'll be no consequences to ignoring Oriko. I personally don't want to risk main characters to test that. That's my stance on the issue and I'm bowing out.
link I'm done debating. We're not going to see eye to eye here. You think there'll be no consequences to ignoring Oriko. I personally don't want to risk main characters to test that. That's my stance on the issue and I'm bowing out.
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No, but we can go out of our way to ignore anything she says.Well unless you're suggesting giving ourselves a griefblade lobotomy...
Or we can trust SV to deal with a memetic hazard. To be fair, Firnagzen can't write memetic hazards that well, but I can still imagine him making a honeytrap for SV pretty well.
I have the exact opposite opinion. I think reading the note will put main characters in danger.
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Sure.
But the point is that Oriko can't actually control the decisions that we make, so any attempt to effect us is a bit of a crapshoot for her.
Not really, no. It's not a "crapshoot," because she'll know the result immediately.
We should, in general, make decisions under the assumption that they've already been foreseen.
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You're putting too much faith in Firnagzen's manipulative abilities or vastly overestimating the risk of passive manipulation when we have infinite time.
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It's a crapshoot because while she may have known the result from the start because of Firn giving her knowledge retroactively, she lacks the capability to make us take actions that are favorable to her.
She can plan around our actions as perfectly as possible, but that doesn't help her if we make decisions that don't advantage her in any way.
... what? Under what scenario would a vote in a Quest ever be worth that?....
are you done link?
Can you bet your membership that there will be no consequence in ignoring anything that Oriko wrote on that paper?
I'm basically never that certain I'm right. I'm not that certain Oriko is a precog, and that's been explicitly stated by Fir!
Yes, and I do not trust SV to make those decisions.
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We have to make decisions to play the game Link, so we have to at least work under the assumption that we're capable of making good enough decisions to win.
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Torgamous
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Yes, I recall you doing that by accident at at least one point.
In this case, though, we have an arbitrarily large timetable and moderating influences in the form of Mami and Homura.
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I wouldn't trust us to decide how to run a hot dog stand.We have to make decisions to play the game Link, so we have to at least work user the assumption that we're capable of making good enough decisions to win.
See, we can still guard against our own incompetence, though.
Torgamous
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By refusing to interact with Oriko and wildly guessing at her motives while she takes what seems to be increasingly dangerous actions against other people?
Except that if she knows we won't respond, she won't bother.
Torgamous
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So are we not supposed to respond the next time she burns someone's house down?
... uh, no. In fact if she burns someone's house down we should stop time and go kill her, 'cause that's our best shot. (I was actually seriously considering asking Homura to stop time and run here from Madoka's house while we were looking at Oriko.)
It's just that if she says "I've got Sayaka tied up in an attic somewhere with a bomb," we should go "LALALA NOT LISTENING."
(the flaw in this plan is that if she targets Madoka Homura will go nuclear on her.)
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So, what causal chain are you envisioning for this note? Because it's already there in front of us. Clearly Oriko expected it to do something. Is it going to be retconned away if we vote not to read it?
Oriko's precognition has limits, and we don't know what those are. If it turns out that she can only predict our actions to a tree of probable paths instead of a single timeline, for example, your plan would fuck Sayaka.
And, as you need to be reminded, we have as much time as we need. Wasting time in timestop does not a fucking thing.
