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So, guys?

Don't read the note.

Oriko doesn't actually gain anything from killing off our friends or whatever. She gains things from controlling our actions by threatening our friends.

If we don't find out about the blackmail, it doesn't do her any good.

Normally, of course, this doesn't work, 'cause there's no way for Oriko to know we didn't read the note. But Oriko is a precog. She'll notice if our actions don't change conditioned on her leaving the note. So she won't bother threatening our friends.

[X] Don't read the note.
 
Because we can timestop, it does Oriko no good to bluff. It just causes a needless delay and will piss us off more. Oriko has already shown she can be pretty extreme. Therefore ignoring the note is stupid and can put our friends at risk.
 
Muramasa said:
Because we can timestop, it does Oriko no good to bluff. It just causes a needless delay and will piss us off more. Oriko has already shown she can be pretty extreme. Therefore ignoring the note is stupid and can put our friends at risk.
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It's not a matter of bluffing. It's a matter of actually getting us to obey whatever demands she has.

If we ignore the note, and she knows we just ignored the note, there is no point in blackmailing us because we won't do whatever it is she's demanding.
 
linkhyrule5 said:
It's not a matter of bluffing. It's a matter of actually getting us to obey whatever demands she has.

If we ignore the note, and she knows we just ignored the note, there is no point in blackmailing us because we won't do whatever it is she's demanding.
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And that doesn't stop her from targeting our friends nor does it mean she still can't evade us if we ignore the note. link you don't leave that **** up to chance. Because we're in timestop Oriko's actions are limited to whatever she's preprepared. Bluffing about blackmail gets her nothing because she can't act while we're in timestop. She can't suddenly hide in a new location. She can't change her mind and go after anyone else. She can't follow through on blackmail. She can't prepare anything else. If she harms one of ours because we decided to ignore her, that's on us.
 
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FlatlineAskari said:
Can. Probably won't, though, even though it's almost certainly deceptive. Besides, if we take the time to read it, Mami and/or Homura might do the same, which is a bigger problem.
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We can destroy the note before Mami or Homura can read it easy.

And considering that Oriko has no capacity to effect Sabrina's actions unless we let her, I say it's worthwhile for us to read the note.
 
She can still - for instance - choose to target one of our friends while sidetracking us by threatening to target another. (That's what I'd do, anyway. It'd probably make Mami go critical).
We chose to go after Oriko because she represents a serious threat to our friends, she remains such. Threats, pleas for mercy, ransom notes - all irrelevant. Info coming from her is at best suspect and at worst going to get us horribly killed.
 
Muramasa said:
And that doesn't stop her from targeting our friends nor does it mean she still can't evade us if we ignore the note. link you don't leave that **** up to chance. Because we're in timestop Oriko's actions are limited to whatever she's preprepared. Bluffing about blackmail gets her nothing because she can't act while we're in timestop. She can't suddenly hide in a new location. She can't change her mind and go after anyone else. She can't follow through on blackmail. She can't prepare anything else. If she harms one of ours because we decided to ignore her, that's on us.
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No, you don't leave it up to chance.

You just make it in her best interest to not hurt our friends.

She's not bluffing. She just can't judge the worth of leaving a note, without actually intending to leave the note. It's probably how her precog works.

Our friends are safer if we don't read it.
 
linkhyrule5 said:
No, you don't leave it up to chance.

You just make it in her best interest to not hurt our friends.

She's not bluffing. She just can't judge the worth of leaving a note, without actually intending to leave the note. It's probably how her precog works.

Our friends are safer if we don't read it.
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Uh, no that's exactly leaving it up to chance. Sabrina deliberately avoiding and even destroying the note doesn't change the fact that we saw the note in the first place and believed it to be Oriko's. We didn't just flat out miss it. We chose to ignore a potential warning and Oriko can happily point it out to everyone else, in as gory a manner as she deems fit.
 
I wonder how she did this. She shouldn't be able to see where we're going in Time Stop. Maybe everytime she saw herself "getting caught in Place X" she placed a note there, and there's several of the things lying around.
 
Muramasa said:
Uh, no that's exactly leaving it up to chance. Sabrina deliberately avoiding and even destroying the note doesn't change the fact that we saw the note in the first place and believed it to be Oriko's. We didn't just flat out miss it. We chose to ignore a potential warning and Oriko can happily point it out to everyone else, in as gory a manner as she deems fit.
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Why would she bother?

You're missing the point. Oriko gains nothing by making an elaborate plot to kill off our friends. She is not some "rawr-evil" villain that just kills people for the fun of it.

If she's going to threaten our friends, it's to get us to do something. By ignoring the note we are protecting them.
 
She left the note having predicted we'd go there when we started looking for her. Honestly that was predictable without any Precog at all since that's where we last saw her. She probably left the note at that time even.
 
[x] Try to carefully read the note without touching it.
-[x] If not possible, very carefully turn it over so you can do so.
--[X] Be prepared to get the fuck out of there at a moments notice.
 
linkhyrule5 said:
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Why would she bother?

You're missing the point. Oriko gains nothing by making an elaborate plot to kill off our friends. She is not some "rawr-evil" villain that just kills people for the fun of it.

If she's going to threaten our friends, it's to get us to do something. By ignoring the note we are protecting them.
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We don't know anything about this Oriko. The Oriko of PMAS isn't the same one as the one in the manga and holding her up to the same standard is a mistake. We saw the note. We determined it's probably Oriko's. It's already influencing our actions.

Why would she bother? If I were to guess, it would be to discourage us to not play her game. The fire that she had a hand in proves she's not afraid to hurt or even kill people if it suits her ends. In this instance, ignoring Oriko doesn't make her go away.
 
Muramasa said:
We don't know anything about this Oriko. The Oriko of PMAS isn't the same one as the one in the manga and holding her up to the same standard is a mistake. We saw the note. We determined it's probably Oriko's. It's already influencing our actions.

Why would she bother? If I were to guess, it would be to discourage us to not play her game. The fire that she had a hand in proves she's not afraid to hurt or even kill people if it suits her ends. In this instance, ignoring Oriko doesn't make her go away.
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This is where the concept of precommitting comes in.

If we commit ourselves to never listening to what Oriko says, she once again derives no benefit whatsoever from blackmailing our friends, and has to go for us directly.

(This is, by the way, the real reason we don't negotiate with terrorists.)
 
linkhyrule5 said:
This is where the concept of precommitting comes in.

If we commit ourselves to never listening to what Oriko says, she once again derives no benefit whatsoever from blackmailing our friends, and has to go for us directly.
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But she hasn't blackmailed our friends, she's just attacked them. Oriko has shown no previous interest in negotiating with us.
 
linkhyrule5 said:
This is where the concept of precommitting comes in.

If we commit ourselves to never listening to what Oriko says, she once again derives no benefit whatsoever from blackmailing our friends, and has to go for us directly.

(This is, by the way, the real reason we don't negotiate with terrorists.)
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I'm confused here- what do you expect Oriko to do with a note if Sabrina is readng it? She is utterly incapable of effecting Sabrina's thoughts, so even though Firn is probably making her retroactively predict our actions, Oriko still can't guide our actions in directions that are favorable to her.

A note from Oriko can only give us more information at no risk to us as long as we, the thread, don't start freaking out over it.
 
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