False we've had corruption for several generations now and it has gotten worse because of Instability not the abstract metaphors. We are going to take action this turn anyway. Festival would stop the instability with zero risk of bringing us even further down.

Could you please think about the narrative and not mechanics? Not fighting corruption means that people look at it and go 'huh, well if nobody is against it...'. Festival, narratively, distracts people from the actual problem at best.

Despite both boosting stability, they are narratively different and only one of them fights the issue.
 
[X][Main] More Blackbirds
[X][Secondary] Restore Order
[X][Secondary] Restore Order x2

Simply so we don't have a secondary restore order action, which is arguably worse than festivals or even sacrifice.
I'm trying to come up w/ a joke involving the panama canal but can't. Do you know of any?
 
Ahem, Panama City, FLORIDA. I live in the panhandle halfway between Pensacola and Tallahassee
sweet saints below, I am sorry.

I also don't know where or what Pensacola is, and while I've heard of Tallahassee... *waggles hand*

Edit: From wikipedia:
The largest city in the Panhandle is Tallahassee, the state capital, population 188,107 (2014). However, the largest population grouping is the Pensacola Metropolitan Area with a population of 474,081. The total population of the Panhandle, as of the 2010 Census, was 1,407,925.

Edit 2: What's the difference between capital and capitol?
 
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Tally!
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Ahem, Panama City, FLORIDA. I live in the panhandle halfway between Pensacola and Tallahassee
The town of Hollywood, Maryland is about a mile away from California, Maryland. Both are in the same county as Middle Earth, Maryland.
American town names get stupid sometimes, don't they?
 
Ok, when this fails to solve or even combat corruption, I reserve the right to tell you so. Because there's one question nobody asked or answered: Historically, whenever a police or military action to restore order and stability has ever been enacted, which segment of the population was cracked down on again?
 
Ok, when this fails to solve or even combat corruption, I reserve the right to tell you so. Because there's one question nobody asked or answered: Historically, whenever a police or military action to restore order and stability has ever been enacted, which segment of the population was cracked down on again?
...oh, fuck.
 
American town names get stupid sometimes, don't they?
Considering that British town names are like "glendale" "green dell" "[french]" "[vaguely gaelic but it is of course denied to be such]" idk.

Like, kyoto is literally "Capital City" while tokyo is literally "East Capital" so... clearly other people are uninventive.
 
Ok, when this fails to solve or even combat corruption, I reserve the right to tell you so. Because there's one question nobody asked or answered: Historically, whenever a police or military action to restore order and stability has ever been enacted, which segment of the population was cracked down on again?
The idea that the wealthy and influential might use their wealth and influence to redirect the purge elsewhere, toward the impoverished and foreign, is something that I had considered, yes.

the lower classes, actually. In 99% of cases, the victims. A police action to restore order is just gonna cement the corrupt guys. fuck.
So all we need to do is [] [Main] Burn Sacrifices [] [Secondary] Burn Sacrifices [] [Secondary] Burn Sacrifices x2 and then all the rich people will be poor along w/ everyone else. It looks like that one guy was right all along. If we burn enough of our economy we will be united in poverty.
 
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So all we need to do is [] [Main] Burn Sacrifices [] [Secondary] Burn Sacrifices [] [Secondary] Burn Sacrifices x2 and then all the rich people will be poor along w/ everyone else. It looks like that one guy was right all along. If we burn enough of our economy we will be united in poverty.
sarcasm is a delicate garment, my dude. its appreciated by a discerning eye, but it tears in casual company.
 
Well, let's see how beating up the little guys til they stop complaining about the corruption goes.
To offer my two cents, I suspect the missmatch of our centralisation and hierachy score to be the source of the corruption hints in the last 10 turn updates. AN suspiciously hinted that this has problems. Repeatedly.
 
Well, let's see how beating up the little guys til they stop complaining about the corruption goes.
To offer my two cents, I suspect the missmatch of our centralisation and hierachy score to be the source of the corruption hints in the last 10 turn updates. AN suspiciously hinted that this has problems. Repeatedly.
The issue is we have zero ways of reducing hierarchy, while we can always reduce cent by creating a new province. So we're stuck treating the symptoms until we get such an ability.
 
Otherwise, gaining stability and assuaging concerns is also key.
Then why are you voting on the police crackdown which gives 0.5 stability average (with a ~25% chance of -1 stability) instead of the festival which guarantees 1 stability?

To offer my two cents, I suspect the missmatch of our centralisation and hierachy score to be the source of the corruption hints in the last 10 turn updates. AN suspiciously hinted that this has problems. Repeatedly.
Not really. We've got a civilization type which depends upon low centralization but can still support high hierarchy. Can you point to any quote that suspiciously hint that? Low hierarchy would probably make the problem even worse since there would be less systems in place and it'd be even more ad hoc than it currently is.
 
Somehow people think corruption is more important than getting metal at this early age. Or study health to deal with baby boomers or more forest study. It's not like those greedy people taking the granary store wholesale, just abusing the current reward system. Overall an annoyance but nothing horrifying. Study actions would directly increase our economy (creating new wealth) instead of recovering scrapes of excess productivity.
 
Somehow people think corruption is more important than getting metal at this early age. Or study health to deal with baby boomers or more forest study. It's not like those greedy people taking the granary store wholesale, just abusing the current reward system. Overall an annoyance but nothing horrifying. Study actions would directly increase our economy (creating new wealth) instead of recovering scrapes of excess productivity.
Corruption is disharmonious. We HAVE to restore harmony. its in our traits.
 
Could you please think about the narrative and not mechanics? Not fighting corruption means that people look at it and go 'huh, well if nobody is against it...'. Festival, narratively, distracts people from the actual problem at best.

Despite both boosting stability, they are narratively different and only one of them fights the issue.
Then can I ask you to do the same and not ignore mechanics for narrative? Projects have certain benefits for a reason. The -1 initial fee is nothing to scoff at and has the potential of making the situation worse.
 
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