Technically they did it to themselves. Just goes to show we need to do another education reform, if even our nobles are so dumb they don't get they need to repay loans.
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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Somehow, somewhere, there is a Ymaryn Clerk with a book of Grudges scratching them off right now.
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Gardener of Human Happiness
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Hmm, Stewardship or collective farming? That's a tough one.
In the end, I don't think there's a great enough chance the peasants would get alot of land, so I think I'll stay with Stewardship
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[X] Stewardship
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- Staring into the void
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I do hope that everyone voting for stewardship knows that it is a position that is disliked by basically all of our nobles.
I would expect for there to be some pushback from this, either through limiting the powers of the Bank or by the nobility attempting to enshrine their rights above that of the Bank.
I wouldn't expect people to just lay down and accept their land being essentially stolen from them.
I would expect for there to be some pushback from this, either through limiting the powers of the Bank or by the nobility attempting to enshrine their rights above that of the Bank.
I wouldn't expect people to just lay down and accept their land being essentially stolen from them.
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The Ymaryn king was always financially better off, but the accumulation land under direct control was often how "true wealth" was measured, and the Gylruv Patriarch had larger Crown Lands, even if they were often not as rich. The rapid accumulation of new Crown Lands in territory the Patriarch might consider under his control and not his "subordinates" is the sort of prestige hit that might disrupt the slow but inevitable merger of the kingdoms under Ymaryn terms.
It depends on the exact circumstances. The closer to home, the more likely the policy will be to forgive the debt on natural law principles, while in other countries they may just redistribute to the peasantry as a power move to assert the ability to collect on debts but not accumulate foreign territory that could make multiple parties nervous. Additionally, if collecting on an estate rather than a person they may just distribute to multiple claimants in order to reduce the headache of figuring out who exactly is supposed to be forgiven. Theoretically they would still claim property as collateral, they would just have as a policy the idea that they can give it "back" on philosophical principles. This allows the threat to be retained to an extent without having the worry that following through on the contracts 100% of the time would create PR nightmares or political problems.
HanEmpire
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But we're not stealing from them. We're letting them keep the land in return for a small lesson on fiscal responsibilities.
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It's not that they don't get it, it's that their past experiences with moneylenders always let them get out of the more annoying parts of said lending.
Because if they couldn't just use their titles and social rep for credit, they usually had the only real armed force in the area under their command. Each of the lower nobility was a king in their own right, and so they only paid debts to other nobles, since those were the only people who could collect debts.
Then they see this 'official' money lending institution, and assumed that it's just a nobility approved version of what they had before.
Only to find out 'oh shit, they were actually serious about those contracts'.
Basically this. One would think that when the Stewardship option is basically 'let us do this or we just boot you out and keep the lands' everyone would jump on it.
The fact that this is a Crown institution (it has Crown in the name) and therefore that's the King's money you are grabbing at should have been a hint though.
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They'll dislike it alot less than Absolutism.
And really, the Bank is only sending advisers to make sure they run their land in a profitable way. They'll turn around once they see that it'll make them more money.
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The biggest danger is that people could see this as a form of indirect taxation, and people are notoriously touchy about taxes, especially the lesser nobility. There is also the danger of:
"You will leave me no money for food!"
"You will survive so long as you cut out wine/buy cheaper clothes/numerous other examples of luxuries that slowly morphs into increasingly paternalistic control of behavior"
It occurs to me that this is the kind of problem that's easily remedied with a personal union.
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Yeah, it should have.
They likely assumed the King was doing this partly to fund some ventures, but also as a political bribe to the lower nobility to support some of his future policies. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the lower nobility were strongly in favor of the bank at first because they thought it was a handout to them.
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So you're saying that this is the path to reclaiming ancient Ymaryn ideals, except that this time it is finally the descendants of the Patricians that get the sharp end of the stick? Karma is a bitch.
[X] Stewardship
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[X] Absolutism
[X] Stewardship
[X] Stewardship
Dealing with the Ymaryn Crown Bank
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The fire is very warm.
