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Alright, I can switch out Txolla.
There, switched.
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ThrawnCA
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Done. Left it a bit messy because I'm on mobile, but it should work.
ThrawnCA
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What do you think about swapping survey for Enforce Justice?
I'm going EJ instead of PG because we can't do PG; PG takes a point of Econ, and we don't have that.
I don't go Main Enforce Justice because I don't think it is worth taking a secondary right now for 0.5 Stability; I'd rather send another secondary War Mission. Unless you meant why I did main RoO instead of Main EJ? That would be because an extra RoO should give more stability by my estimate. Using a uniform spread as an estimate, a sec RoO give an expect 1*(1/3) + 2*(1/3) = 1 stability, while a main RoO gives 1*(3/9) + 2*(5/9) = 13/9 ~= 1.5 stability plus a chance to get another stability on top of that. That is a bigger gain than just the +0.5 stability from Main EJ.
RO without PG means that the king sends out his forces to hunt down bandits and other criminals. This costs Legitimacy because it is brutish and sometimes imperfectly aimed, but since we start at Legit 4 that hit isn't a problem the same way a 3->2 hit would be.
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Survey gives us something we can use PSN on, Enforce does not. Considering we are very likely to get 2 Stability, maybe even three, I find it more important to have a way to lower centralization than an extra point.
GUYS.
2 war missions is not enough to beat the enemy. Megaproject support at this moment will cause us to lose the war.
2 war missions is not enough to beat the enemy. Megaproject support at this moment will cause us to lose the war.
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I'm going EJ instead of PG because we can't do PG; PG takes a point of Econ, and we don't have that.
I don't go Main Enforce Justice because I don't think it is worth taking a secondary right now for 0.5 Stability; I'd rather send another secondary War Mission. Unless you meant why I did main RoO instead of Main EJ? That would be because an extra RoO should give more stability by my estimate. Using a uniform spread as an estimate, a sec RoO give an expect 1*(1/3) + 2*(1/3) = 1 stability, while a main RoO gives 1*(3/9) + 2*(5/9) = 13/9 ~= 1.5 stability plus a chance to get another stability on top of that. That is a bigger gain than just the +0.5 stability from Main EJ.
RO without PG means that the king sends out his forces to hunt down bandits and other criminals. This costs Legitimacy because it is brutish and sometimes imperfectly aimed, but since we start at Legit 4 that hit isn't a problem the same way a 3->2 hit would be.
Fair enough.
And I guess 3 war missions are decent enough to at the very least stalemate HK. We can go harder if we really need to afterwards.
Also, thing to remember: it seems we, at this point, cannot sustain Mass Levy for more than a turn at best. Definitely only a last resort weapon.
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It's extremely inefficient, yes, but I want to be absolutely certain we don't abandon the megaproject. Still, after looking at the vote, I think it's safe to assume we're going to be switching policies, and since we are apparently assured that at least one Great Dam action will be taken, I'll change my vote to Main Restore Order, and swap out a Secondary to something else.
The Mass Levy is creating serious problems. I don't think we have the resources or the political will to continue with total war.
Axy thinks he can win with just the elites and regulars. He doesn't think he can conquer the Highland Kingdom without the levies, but he does think he can save the Harmurri. Right now, I want to pull ourselves together and patch up our internal issues. I'm definitely not going to just leave the Harmurri hanging, and I definitely support the war against the Highlanders. But we need Econ, and we need to give the guilds and general population a breather. War exhaustion and stability are major factors in our ability to prosecute an offensive war, and both are on the wane.
I am totally in favor of smashing the Highlanders, but we're going to have to take our feet of the gas and do at least a quick patch job first.
We are sending 3 missions right now, actually. It just pulled ahead.
Although yeah, I do get what you are saying - it certainly seems low. I would have preferred to send more if we had the actions.
Hopefully it will be enough. All in all, we are sending:
A Main and a Secondary war mission,
Five points worth of Light Cavalry,
Three Mercenary Companies,
Our Genius Martial Heir,
Support from the Memory of Spirits and possibly Txolla and/or the Thunder Horse.
I think that we will achieve something decent, if perhaps not the ideal we might have hoped for.
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And I have a plan that addresses all that. It gives us all the economy we need, while still giving us Stability and ensuring we beat the Highlanders. When he said he needs our elites that mean to go Offensive policy at the least, not one or two war missions.
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Do we?
It is only necessary to smash their core. I do not recall AN confirming it is necessary to remove them from Lowlands and relieve Harmurri.
Worst-case, we will just stalemate HK and give Harmurri a breather - in which case we can *still* switch to Offensive, but now not on brink of starvation.
The failure state is Harmurri dying on us here, and even two-three WMs should be quite enough to prevent it, what with mass of cavalry, 3 merc companies and genius leader.
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Don't forget Harmurri! They're useless, but they can stop an arrow!We are sending 3 missions right now, actually. It just pulled ahead.
Although yeah, I do get what you are saying - it certainly seems low. I would have preferred to send more if we had the actions.
Hopefully it will be enough. All in all, we are sending:
A Main and a Secondary war mission,
Five points worth of Light Cavalry,
Three Mercenary Companies,
Our Genius Martial Heir,
Support from the Memory of Spirits and possibly Txolla and/or the Thunder Horse.
I think that we will achieve something decent, if perhaps not the ideal we might have hoped for.
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Offensive to get them out of the Lowlands, or levies to beat them completely.
Not Megaproject support.
My plan still brings us up to Econ 25.
ThrawnCA
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Can we give it just one more turn? Our genius wants to keep the levies up!
On offensive policy maybe, but with a single main? Let's not starve him of the resources he needs. One more turn, guys. Give Alex one more turn. He hasn't let us down before.
We have a military genius. He could probably win the war in the lowlands with merc companies alone.
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Until AN gets back online, that's speculation more than anything. If he says Alyx needs Offense at least to save the Harmurri, then we can change plans.
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I am slightly glad there is no update tomorrow. We need to stop going Megaproject.
Yet he said he needs more than that.
ThrawnCA
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We have a military genius who is saying, keep the levies on. At the very least, stay on offensive policy. We listened to him before, and it worked.
I'd be willing to consider a plan that switches to Offensive policy. As long as it doesn't leave us with enough military force to attack the Highlander core.
He said he needs the levies to take care of the highland core. I think that boat has sailed when we got to econ 4 and discovered we can't integrate.
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Source?
I don't recall that WoAN.
This one is the closest:
It does not say anything about whether it is needed to push them out of Lowlands or at least stall them.
No, he is saying that in context of swinging at their core. Look, he said we do not need levies for nomads. Do you think HK-in-plains can possibly be bigger trouble than nomads-in-steppes?